Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 02:43AM

charlie14 wrote: »

For many of the younger generation it is no worse than a cold.

If a vaccine could reduce it to that level for those most at risk it would be a major plus.

One thing about this virus, and if it`s mentioned it is shouted down as "longcovid" but there is growing evidence that it is a nasty bugger that could have long term health implication. Anything that could lessen that possibility would be welcome as well. Not that your sons friend will have anything to worry about. His symptoms are mild and he sounds like a lad in good shape.

Sorry to read about the hassle your young lad and his friends got. I genuinely feel sorry for young people growing up in this mess. Like every group they have their messers, but that is no reason to simply jump to conclusions and tar everyone with the same brush.
He was right to tell her to f off.

I posted an interaction earlier here my son had with an elderly lady. I caveated the interaction by explaining my son's clam demeanor in comparison to me. My son is a student in LIT living with two other lads in a three room student accommodation. They decided on Tuesday to go to the off license to buy a few bottles and watch a movie in their room. They were challenged by an elderly lady that they were having a house party. My son explained what they were doing but got accused of lying. He decided then to tell her to "**** off". I'm inclined to agree with him.

MadYaker · 17-10-2020 02:52AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You could always read up on the bodies reaction to viral infection. You seem interested in learning outside of hysteria.

I have a microbiology degree which I didn't particularly enjoy getting (took me 5 years instead of 4). Though I did a masters in engineering that I liked a lot more and work for a medical device company now. Had numerous modules on viruses and the immune system in 2nd and 3rd year if I remember correctly. I don't use any of that knowledge in my day to day job and I thought id forgotten most of it but some of it has comes back to me since I spend so much time reading stuff about the pandemic and vaccines etc now. I just about managed a 2.1 in that degree and spent most of the time in a drunken and stoned stupor. I took the master more seriously.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 02:55AM

MadYaker wrote: »

I have a microbiology degree which I didn't particularly enjoy getting (took me 5 years instead of 4). Though I did a masters in engineering that I liked a lot more and work for a medical device company now. Had numerous modules on viruses and the immune system in 2nd and 3rd year if I remember correctly. I don't use any of that knowledge in my day to day job and I thought id forgotten most of it but some of it has comes back to me since I spend so much time reading stuff about the pandemic and vaccines etc now. I just about managed a 2.1 in that degree and spent most of the time in a drunken and stoned stupor. I took the master more seriously.

No one posts lies on the internet.

MadYaker · 17-10-2020 02:58AM

I aint claiming to be an expert but I can understand whats happening.

moonage · 17-10-2020 03:39AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

None of the vaccines in late stage trials offer immunity from virus. Not one of them.

If these vaccines don't offer any immunity, then they're not really vaccines.

When is a vaccine not a vaccine? When it's a Covid vaccine.

patnor1011 · 17-10-2020 04:19AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I like to remind people said poster got banned off a thread for claiming it was ok to drink alcohol while driving once under the limit. Of course the intellect to realise you were slowly exceeding the limit whilst drink driving was lost on said poster. You really should not give him the oxygen he craves. I have no desire for an echo chamber but some posters should ignored out of hand.

He is a poster child of covid induced insanity. Repeat the same nonsense ad nauseum.

patnor1011 · 17-10-2020 04:26AM

charlie14 wrote: »

I can name me a few where it is a distinct possibility.
Can you name me anything other than a vaccine that offers even a remote possibility of not getting infected.

Yes unfortunately I can.
It is called self-isolation. Or cocooning. If you feel vulnerable and cant live with a thought of being accidentally infected you should isolate yourself immediately.

Distinct possibility is not acceptable reason to keep everyone under restrictions. Since it is already known that current vaccines will not offer protection against infection only a chance of reduced impact - which itself is not in any way guaranteed it is uterly ridiculous to wait for something which may not come at a cost we currently pay.

patnor1011 · 17-10-2020 04:41AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Some posters may, but if you believe that to be the case then it should be very simple for you to expose that.

If you are going to make another attempt at that on the vaccine thread then it will have to be better than a rant about Bill Gates I`m afraid.

At the very least a straw is tangible. You have shown nothing that even touches on a credible alternative.

Thing is that there is no alternative. You are desperately clutching at something which does not offer any solution at least not in the next few years.

Virus is out in the open. We can not make it go away no matter how much we wish for it to be true - zero covid or fully working covid vaccine are a pipe dream.

Bill Gates rant?
You mean that post where Bill Gates was proclaimed medical expert because he invested in the field for over 10 years? Yeah that would be funny if it was not tragic actually. But since it came from person who himself love to pose as vaccine development expert we can expect he proclaim himself as such based on his expertise at scraping internet for information which confirm his view.
I only posted links which show his (Gates) conflict of interest where he try to pose as a savior of humanity to cover his profiteering from this situation.

That thread is nothing but PR ad campaign for Oxford, Astra and Pfizer.

patnor1011 · 17-10-2020 04:46AM

charlie14 wrote: »

I did say for the first vaccines I was not expecting 100% immunity.

If they can lessen the effects to that of a cold or even a flu, (but hopefully a cold as the common cold is part of the general coronavirus family as far as I know) then they would go a long way towards saving lives.

Your logic have one major flaw.
To this date absolute majority of covid deaths were people who would most likely die contracting cold or even a flu. That is a fact.
Therefore lessening covid effects vaccine isnt going to do much good for people who are at the biggest risk of death.
Others who were infected mostly didnt even knew they had it. Small group of those who even developed any symptoms had it easy or mild.

patnor1011 · 17-10-2020 04:51AM

moonage wrote: »

If these vaccines don't offer any immunity, then they're not really vaccines.

When is a vaccine not a vaccine? When it's a Covid vaccine.

Exactly. They were actually named as "the world most expensive placebo" based on data released so far.

MadYaker · 17-10-2020 05:29AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Yes unfortunately I can.
It is called self-isolation. Or cocooning. If you feel vulnerable and cant live with a thought of being accidentally infected you should isolate yourself immediately.

Distinct possibility is not acceptable reason to keep everyone under restrictions. Since it is already known that current vaccines will not offer protection against infection only a chance of reduced impact - which itself is not in any way guaranteed it is uterly ridiculous to wait for something which may not come at a cost we currently pay.

This isn't even vaguely coherent

Del Griffith · 17-10-2020 05:30AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Bill Gates rant?
You mean that post where Bill Gates was proclaimed medical expert because he invested in the field for over 10 years? Yeah that would be funny if it was not tragic actually.

In fairness Gates is the founder and head of a medical research and biotech organisation, he's not exactly a bat stooler. He has no qualifications in computer science or software development either, would you say he hasn't a clue about those?

MadYaker · 17-10-2020 05:34AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

And you have no opinion about what we should do in say, December 2021 if a workable vaccine still has not arrived?

No I don't. You know what else I don't have an opinion about? What we should do if the moon crashes into the earth, because that's about as likely as none of the current vaccines being cleared through all stages of trials.

patnor1011 · 17-10-2020 06:41AM

MadYaker wrote: »

This isn't even vaguely coherent

Yeah. What else can I expect from someone who thought vaccine is going to sort everything out who refuse to acknowledge that no such vaccine is coming any time soon.

patnor1011 · 17-10-2020 06:43AM

MadYaker wrote: »

No I don't. You know what else I don't have an opinion about? What we should do if the moon crashes into the earth, because that's about as likely as none of the current vaccines being cleared through all stages of trials.

He asked you about workable vaccine. We all know there are few which will be available. None of them prevent you from getting covid.

pjohnson · 17-10-2020 08:51AM

Patnor still fear mongering away and spreading hysteria.

Abandon all hope is the message last few hours.

17-10-2020 09:12AM

acequion wrote: »

Jesus but the arrogance of this post is staggering! :eek:

You'd have the whole place locked down by Sunday night would you!!
Zero regard for people's plans.
Zero regard for people's need to get organised.
Zero regard for the anxiety, not to mention chaos this will cause.
Zero regard for people with businesses.
Zero regard for people's livelihoods.
Zero regard for people full stop.

What a contemptible attitude! And you call people ignorant!

It’s not arrogance it’s reality, this virus has to be stopped and I am outlining what should happen and will happen but maybe not as quick as it needs to in my opinion.

hynesie08 wrote: »

No kids
Wages not affected
Breaking guidelines to see your parents...

Yeah, there's a reason no one takes your opinion seriously......

How do you know I don’t have kids, I did mention childcare earlier hint hint.

Mine isn’t but it’s preventing my wife getting back to work.

You obvious have a similar issue with your eyes as that other poster, maybe get them checked as I clearly outlined any visit to my parents would be within the guidelines. So reread my post or book into spec savers.

I’ll give you 0.5/3

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Of course the intellect to realise you were slowly exceeding the limit whilst drink driving was lost on said poster..

You will need to explain this badly written nonsense. “Slowly exceeding the limit while driving” - what the hell does that mean? You can’t just make stuff up because you have an irrational dislike for something perfectly legal. As for intellect you should tell that to the people who put all letters after my name, they would probably have a good laugh too :rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Get a dictionary and look up Rural .

Get a dictionary and look up isolate. What your son’s friend did is absolutely beyond belief, he is low life scum of the highest order and should get a criminal record for that. You talk about intellect to me and then defend this piece of dirt.

funnydoggy · 17-10-2020 09:15AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Get a dictionary and look up isolate. What your friend did is absolutely beyond belief, he is low life scum of the highest order and should get a criminal record for that. You talk about intellect to me and then defend this cnut.

Chr*st above man what a horrible comment.

17-10-2020 09:18AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Chr*st above man what a horrible comment.

What’s horrible about it, I am seriously toning down what I actually think so this comment is mild compared to what I would say to someone in person.

Do you not realise the seriousness of what this low life did?

ShyMets · 17-10-2020 09:23AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

What’s horrible about it, I am seriously toning down what I actually think so this comment is mild compared to what I would say to someone in person.

Do you not realise the seriousness of what this low life did?

Morning nox. I see you're in rare aul form today. Keep those humdingers coming. I'd need some entertainment for the next few hours before I head out

Gael23 · 17-10-2020 09:26AM

There will have to be some give for Christmas

walus · 17-10-2020 09:44AM

With charlie14 here not being able / not having balls to answer a simple: When do you expect to be getting your vaccine for cv19? Could someone here form the pro-vaccine crowd here answer that for me please?
I’m genuinely interested what your expectations are. I would like to know at what point in the future we can hope we will all go back to normal?

MelbourneMan · 17-10-2020 09:49AM

walus wrote: »

I would like to know at what point in the future we can hope we will all go back to normal?

It is most unlikely that there is anyone here who can answer that question for you, even in so far as it can be answered at all. The Guardian and several other reliable news outlets provide a running watch on that progress.

JoeA3 · 17-10-2020 09:52AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

What’s horrible about it, I am seriously toning down what I actually think so this comment is mild compared to what I would say to someone in person.

Do you not realise the seriousness of what this low life did?

You wouldn’t say Jack sh1t to anyone in person. An overgrown angry man child who spends his days posting the same guff on boards.ie day in day out. Take a day off for Christs sakes.

walus · 17-10-2020 09:53AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

It is most unlikely that there is anyone here who can answer that question for you, even in so far as it can be answered at all. The Guardian and several other reliable news outlets provide a running watch on that progress.

I understand that. What I’m asking is what is the expectation of when that is likely to happen. Two very different things.
Simple question, simple answer.

Captain_Crash · 17-10-2020 09:57AM

MadYaker wrote: »

The purpose of a vaccine is to prepare your immune system so it recognises the virus and can eradicate it before it makes you ill or before it has propagated enough for you to spread it to someone else. So technically you are correct, in a way? Not sure what point you are trying to make though.

So the 80% or so who test positive but show no symptoms could be said to be........ immune?

funnydoggy · 17-10-2020 09:58AM

walus wrote: »

I understand that. What I’m asking is what is the expectation of when that is likely to happen. Two very different things.
Simple question, simple answer.

Personally, I'm expecting from maybe early spring we'll see the start of relaxation. Once the vulnerable are vaccinated, the sting is taken out of it and hopefully the shower in Leinster House will act appropriately by lessening restrictions.

Jackman25 · 17-10-2020 10:00AM

Gael23 wrote: »

There will have to be some give for Christmas

There will be some take if not.

walus · 17-10-2020 10:03AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Personally, I'm expecting from maybe early spring we'll see the start of relaxation. Once the vulnerable are vaccinated, the sting is taken out of it and hopefully the shower in Leinster House will act appropriately by lessening restrictions.

Thanks, but you gave an answer to a different question, that I did not ask. What I’m asking is when do people expect to have the vaccine available to them, regardless of age, occupation or health condition?
Relaxation of restriction is another matter.

MelbourneMan · 17-10-2020 10:05AM

walus wrote: »

I understand that. What I’m asking is what is the expectation of when that is likely to happen. Two very different things.
Simple question, simple answer.

Of course nobody knows with certainty. My answer refers to your hope/expectation question. But there is no simple answer. Only estimation with various degrees of probability are relevant. Furthermore, the are various stages that might casually be referred to as 'having a vaccine', from all levels from a single likely candidate in a lab, to one confirmed in clinical trials, to one in general production for distribution to the population, to various rollouts in different countries and in different categories of people, or to a level that reaches effective supression of the virus in a given geographical area, or globally. Without a more precise question, there cannot be a precise answer. The various authoritative sources, including the WHO, consider these points in their briefings and publications.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings