Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

whisky_galore · 16-10-2020 09:44AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

quarantine hotel sounds just fine to me

Unless there's a stick of a big fine or imprisonment, people aren't going to pay for a hotel out of their own pockets.

JoeA3 · 16-10-2020 10:13AM

There is absolutely an agenda being driven by the media, in particular the propaganda machine that is RTE. If you listen to those actually in charge, they'll refer to the recent changes as "asks" or "advisory" but seconds later you'll have George Lee or one of his miserable colleagues refer to them as "bans". It's all a bit tabloid-esque and cheap headlines for me. I'm not sure why RTE is pushing the fear agenda or who is pushing them to do so.

Pat Kenny aside, Newstalk seem to take a very different angle.

Micky 32 · 16-10-2020 10:23AM

Something to take note of about the house visit ban. It’s not all doom and gloom you can still visit people who live alone and includes ederly and the vulnerable.That’s good for people who have partners that live elsewhere alone. I think the whole thing is a judgement call rather than a ban.

3xh · 16-10-2020 10:25AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

There is absolutely an agenda being driven by the media, in particular the propaganda machine that is RTE. If you listen to those actually in charge, they'll refer to the recent changes as "asks" or "advisory" but seconds later you'll have George Lee or one of his miserable colleagues refer to them as "bans". It's all a bit tabloid-esque and cheap headlines for me. I'm not sure why RTE is pushing the fear agenda or who is pushing them to do so.

Pat Kenny aside, Newstalk seem to take a very different angle.

A member of NPHET is married to an RTÉ journalist. There’s mutual benefits to both sides; NPHET look good and RTÉ make money from all the click bait articles, breaking news items, etc.

Mitch Connor · 16-10-2020 10:29AM

Don't think it is fair to blame RTE.

When you have the Govt. talking about asks and advising... and then you have the Gardi setting up check points every morning and looking to ensure everyone follows these 'asks and advice' I think it is more on the Govt. for not being straight with the people.

The politicians might being using nice words, but they are effectively bans - as that is how the state itself is treating them. RTE are just reporting on the reality of the Govt. actions, rather than there words.

JoeA3 · 16-10-2020 10:30AM

3xh wrote: »

A member of NPHET is married to an RTÉ journalist. There’s mutual benefits to both sides; NPHET look good and RTÉ make money from all the click bait articles, breaking news items, etc.

George Lee is doing OK out of it too. Front and centre of the 6-1 news every night. Before all this happened he was reporting on the the likes of the young scientist exhibition or the ploughing championship. All the important stuff...

I'm being facetious of course but I do sense a lot of self interest in much of the media reporting.

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 10:37AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Don't think it is fair to blame RTE.

When you have the Govt. talking about asks and advising... and then you have the Gardi setting up check points every morning and looking to ensure everyone follows these 'asks and advice' I think it is more on the Govt. for not being straight with the people.

The politicians might being using nice words, but they are effectively bans - as that is how the state itself is treating them. RTE are just reporting on the reality of the Govt. actions, rather than there words.

It's a symbiotic relationship in my opinion.

16-10-2020 10:40AM

topper75 wrote: »

No sorry. Doesn't add up.

The median age of death seems to be 84. We only have x amount of people in that age bracket anyway. So even if Covid in a worst case scenario was an outright killer, there would be a limit of way south of that crazy 200k wild imaginary figure.

And Covid remember is far from an outright killer. 4/5 of everyone infected in our nursing homes did not die. I mean how deadly is a disease that requires a test to know whether you have it! The mass graves thing was just hype. There are none in Stockholm.

Yep, the median age of of those died from this outright killer is two years higher than the current average life expectancy.

Interesting talking with the owner of a local nursing home recently.

Still extremely grateful he took my mother in a few years ago and his staff called me a few hours before she passed away so I could be there, feel sorry for anyone in the same situation now as with these ridiculous restrictions that could not happen.

Has had NO deaths from covid. But from October to Christmas last year they had ten deaths from flu, not a word about it.

Micky 32 · 16-10-2020 10:46AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

There is absolutely an agenda being driven by the media, in particular the propaganda machine that is RTE. If you listen to those actually in charge, they'll refer to the recent changes as "asks" or "advisory" but seconds later you'll have George Lee or one of his miserable colleagues refer to them as "bans". It's all a bit tabloid-esque and cheap headlines for me. I'm not sure why RTE is pushing the fear agenda or who is pushing them to do so.

Pat Kenny aside, Newstalk seem to take a very different angle.

That’s George for you. I read somewhere where minister McGrath did point out it’s not a ‘ban’ more down to judgement calls and ultimately down to a persons individual decision.

paw patrol · 16-10-2020 10:51AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think we're going to be stuck in level 3 for a long time, I never realised they didn't publish a way to get out of it.

should have read my posts then,
been crying about no exit strategy or exit criteria regarding this Level 5 - level 1 from the day it was published.

nobody listened

too busy shaming their fellow irish citizen into compliance

JoeA3 · 16-10-2020 10:55AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

That’s George for you. I read somewhere where minister McGrath did point out it’s not a ‘ban’ more down to judgement calls and ultimately down to a persons individual decision.

Yeah he was on Prime Time last night, I was impressed with him. Comes across with far more empathy and clarity than some of his more prominent colleagues.

16-10-2020 10:55AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Something to take note of about the house visit ban. It’s not all doom and gloom you can still visit people who live alone and includes ederly and the vulnerable.That’s good for people who have partners that live elsewhere alone. I think the whole thing is a judgement call rather than a ban.

Living alone is not in its self an exemption it’s only if you are providing care for someone living alone.

16-10-2020 10:56AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

George Lee is doing OK out of it too. Front and centre of the 6-1 news every night. Before all this happened he was reporting on the the likes of the young scientist exhibition or the ploughing championship. All the important stuff...

I'm being facetious of course but I do sense a lot of self interest in much of the media reporting.

People who don’t agree with media in calling them biased liars shocker!!

De Danann · 16-10-2020 11:01AM

Is there going to be any sort of announcements this evening, does anyone know?

I'm nervous they will move us up a level and I'll lose going to the gym... It was the only thing keeping me sane in this seemingly endless Work-Eat-Sleep-Repeat cycle.

Micky 32 · 16-10-2020 11:04AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Living alone is not in its self an exemption it’s only if you are providing care for someone living alone.

Living alone is living alone, it’s to prevent loneliness, you ever hear of that word?I wouldn’t expect you to feel any empathy toward that situation so your replies to my post mean absolute zilch. My partner of 10 years lives alone and i will be visiting her with precautions full stop. As mcGrath has said it’s not a “ban”.

Dr Glynn has also said they are looking into the possiblity of ‘social bubbles’

CIARAN_BOYLE · 16-10-2020 11:05AM

De Danann wrote: »

Is there going to be any sort of announcements this evening, does anyone know?

I'm nervous they will move us up a level and I'll lose going to the gym... It was the only thing keeping me sane in this seemingly endless Work-Eat-Sleep-Repeat cycle.

Well there isn't a cabinet meeting scheduled so probably not.

MadYaker · 16-10-2020 11:09AM

De Danann wrote: »

Is there going to be any sort of announcements this evening, does anyone know?

I'm nervous they will move us up a level and I'll lose going to the gym... It was the only thing keeping me sane in this seemingly endless Work-Eat-Sleep-Repeat cycle.

If you’re in Dublin I’d say there’s a good chance of more restrictions since level 3 doesn’t seem to be having the desired effect. Maybe no announcement until next week though.

drunkmonkey · 16-10-2020 11:19AM

MadYaker wrote: »

If you’re in Dublin I’d say there’s a good chance of more restrictions since level 3 doesn’t seem to be having the desired effect. Maybe no announcement until next week though.

They'll do nothing until after the Bank Holiday, numbers are high but ICU was down by 1 this morning I think.
Things are looking ok but it's very early to tell.

paw patrol · 16-10-2020 11:26AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They'll do nothing until after the Bank Holiday, numbers are high but ICU was down by 1 this morning I think.
Things are looking ok but it's very early to tell.

I think it'll be just before the bank holiday to lock things down pre mid term.
They ruined every BH weekend since march with announcing just before

suicide_circus · 16-10-2020 11:27AM

Claire Byrne had some doctor on the radio earlier talking about hospital capacity etc. She was pushing him for the most dire prognosis at every turn, she didnt like when he started talking about the other negative impacts of lockdown on metal health etc and wanted him to condemn the government for daring not to follow NPHET to the letter. A really sick mentality coming over the airwaves, i lost some respect for her there.

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 11:28AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Claire Byrne had some doctor on the radio earlier talking about hospital capacity etc. She was pushing him for the most dire prognosis at every turn, she didnt like when he started talking about the other negative impacts of lockdown on metal health etc and wanted him to condemn the government for daring not to follow NPHET to the letter. A really sick mentality coming over the airwaves, i lost some respect for her there.

Sh"tshow

drunkmonkey · 16-10-2020 11:39AM

paw patrol wrote: »

I think it'll be just before the bank holiday to lock things down pre mid term.
They ruined every BH weekend since march with announcing just before

They won't close the schools, everything were doing now is for the schools, hospitals are ok. The won't close more businesses as the don't want to compensate them they'd rather then stumbled on making a loss which will close them anyway.

_Kaiser_ · 16-10-2020 11:43AM

Indo says NPHET are recommending level 5 nationally for 6 weeks!!

Level five restrictions should be introduced for the entire country for six weeks, the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) has recommended .

The public health group led by Chief Medical Officer has called for the highest level of Covid-19 restriction as fears grow about the spread of the virus.

Level five restrictions would see people banned from traveling further than 5km from their home, no public gatherings other than small funerals or weddings would be permitted and pubs and restaurants would only be allowed to provide delivery or takeaway service.

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 11:44AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Indo says NPHET are recommending level 5 nationally for 6 weeks!!

Dya think the government will go for it this time? NPHET are ****ting themselves

Allinall · 16-10-2020 11:45AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Indo says NPHET are recommending level 5 nationally for 6 weeks!!

They recommended that two weeks ago.

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 11:46AM

Allinall wrote: »

They recommended that two weeks ago.

They've done it again though.

_Kaiser_ · 16-10-2020 11:46AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Dya think the government will go for it this time? NPHET are ****ting themselves

NPHET are only looking at this though a very narrow lens - as is their remit. It is the Government who needs to make the final call

However this nonsense of the press getting wind and plastering it over the web/apps before the Government meets to discuss it has to end. It only causes more fear and hysteria and furthers the narrative that the tail is wagging the dog.

Allinall · 16-10-2020 11:47AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

They've done it again though.

They never changed their original recommendation.

It's the indo trying to be sensationalist.

funnydoggy · 16-10-2020 11:48AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

However this nonsense of the press getting wind and plastering it over the web/apps before the Government meets to discuss it has to end. It only causes more fear and hysteria and furthers the narrative that the tail is wagging the dog.

Here's hoping it won't be the modus operandi for the press in the near future.

bucketybuck · 16-10-2020 11:51AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Indo says NPHET are recommending level 5 nationally for 6 weeks!!

"NPHET also recommends that to combat road deaths all cars immediately be scrapped, and to save the environment that all manufacturing cease with immediate effect.

Government thanks NPHET for their concerns and will take it under advisement".

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings