US Presidential Election 2020

stefanovich · 14-10-2020 10:11AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Yeah Biden is so racist he spent 8 years as vp to a black man and picked a black woman then as his vp... Trump has barely employed a single non white person in the white house

Trump has banned certain groups entering the US, called other groups all dogs and rapists. Told American born women to go back to their own countries not to mention all the things he did previous to being president like central park 5 or not renting to black tenants

You really think Harris was chosen for any reason other than to capitalise on the BLM protests?

She really did badly against Pence and appears to be quite a radical. Biden will have a hard time even completing the first term.

SuprSi · 14-10-2020 10:44AM

This quote is decades old. So who gives a **** about it then? I said some pretty stupid stuff decades ago, as I'm sure you did. Decades is a long time!

He is talking about Obama. Again, the context - was he joking? Can you post the interview?

He think black people are all poor. Prove it.

He was being interviewed by a black man. He presumes that all black people should vote a certain way? Certain sounds racist to me. Again, post the interview here. To me it sounds like he's joking.

Another example of him conflating poverty with being black. Where? You do realise he's quoting someone else?

Chips Lovell · 14-10-2020 11:03AM

Mod Note

Reminder of previous mod warning. Let's drop the dementia talk now.

Chips Lovell wrote: »

Mod Note

Drop the "Biden is senile/Biden has cognitive issues" posts please. If medical evidence of such comes out, then it becomes an election talking point, but until then, it's not.

Remember, the charter states:

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droidus · 14-10-2020 11:17AM

stefanovich wrote: »

She really did badly against Pence and appears to be quite a radical. Biden will have a hard time even completing the first term.

lol, She's about as non-radical as you can get. She's literally a cop.

stefanovich · 14-10-2020 11:27AM

droidus wrote: »

lol, She's about as non-radical as you can get. She's literally a cop.

She put a lot of black men in prison for minor drug offenses, that's for sure. She was also in favour of cutting the LAPD budget because of the BLM bandwagon.

She is pro abortion.

She is pro sanctuary city, so pro illegal immigration.

She wants to reverse the tax cuts.

She wants race to be taken into account in universities which means unfairly penalising asians and whites. (Isn't that in direct opposition to what MLK fought for?)

A bit all over the place if you ask me.

duploelabs · 14-10-2020 11:28AM

stefanovich wrote: »

She put a lot of black men in prison for minor drug offenses, that's for sure. She was also in favour of cutting the LAPD budget because of the BLM bandwagon.

She is pro abortion.

She is pro sanctuary city, so pro illegal immigration.

She wants to reverse the tax cuts.

She wants race to be taken into account in universities which means unfairly penalising asians and whites. (Isn't that in direct opposition to what MLK fought for?)

A bit all over the place if you ask me.

So is she pro law and order then?

seamus · 14-10-2020 11:39AM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

If the Mountain State is any indicator, the national swing could be well fit the 10-12% predicted by recent polls:

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1316046684649074690

Massive downward swing in a deep red state.

Had a quick scan through some of the others, and it's a similar pattern across most the deep red states, including one or two that are in danger of turning blue for the first time since Vietnam.

Which bodes really badly for the swing states.

What doesn't help is Trump yesterday taking the piss out of nursing homes. One would think they'd be a bit more sensitive to the importance of Florida.

It looks to me like the GOP have abandoned the Trump train and are resigned to losing badly in November. So they've focussed all their energy on getting the Supreme Court packed in the hope that they can frustrate any reforms that Biden's administration might try to bring through, by challenging everything and tying it up in the Supreme Court.

Timberrrrrrrr · 14-10-2020 11:47AM

stefanovich wrote: »

She put a lot of black men in prison for minor drug offenses, that's for sure. She was also in favour of cutting the LAPD budget because of the BLM bandwagon.

She is pro abortion.

She is pro sanctuary city, so pro illegal immigration.

She wants to reverse the tax cuts.

She wants race to be taken into account in universities which means unfairly penalising asians and whites. (Isn't that in direct opposition to what MLK fought for?)

A bit all over the place if you ask me.

She personally sent them to jail? Or she did her job and applied the law as she was supposed to?

Law and order!!! Isn't that what donny shouts a lot??

Quin_Dub · 14-10-2020 11:48AM

seamus wrote: »

Massive downward swing in a deep red state.

Had a quick scan through some of the others, and it's a similar pattern across most the deep red states, including one or two that are in danger of turning blue for the first time since Vietnam.

Which bodes really badly for the swing states.

What doesn't help is Trump yesterday taking the piss out of nursing homes. One would think they'd be a bit more sensitive to the importance of Florida.

It looks to me like the GOP have abandoned the Trump train and are resigned to losing badly in November. So they've focussed all their energy on getting the Supreme Court packed in the hope that they can frustrate any reforms that Biden's administration might try to bring through, by challenging everything and tying it up in the Supreme Court.

Also why McConnell laughed during his Senate debate the other night when asked about why he was prioritising the SCOTUS nomination over the Stimulus bill.

They know they are going to lose so they have absolutely zero interest in making things better for an incoming Biden administration.

Fill the SCOTUS seat and then pull out the 2 Santa Claus Theory once Biden takes office.

droidus · 14-10-2020 12:35PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

She personally sent them to jail? Or she did her job and applied the law as she was supposed to?

Whilst it's patently ludicrous to attack her from the right, her record is pretty awful, it has to be said. Fairly balanced overview here:

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record

rossie1977 · 14-10-2020 01:34PM

stefanovich wrote: »

You really think Harris was chosen for any reason other than to capitalise on the BLM protests?

No. Stacey Abrams was front runner as Biden vp way back in early 2019 https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-stacey-abrams-vp-54472f8f-5bb2-4d1f-bc7c-0544a09ebba5.html

And why would Biden choose someone in law to appease a movement that believe law and policing need massive overhaul?

She really did badly against Pence and appears to be quite a radical. Biden will have a hard time even completing the first term.

Did badly how, explain. She wasn't the one avoiding every question like Pence. And Trump is far more radical than Harris.

If Harris was Irish she would be Fine Gael..

stefanovich · 14-10-2020 01:44PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

No. Stacey Abrams was front runner as Biden vp way back in early 2019 https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-stacey-abrams-vp-54472f8f-5bb2-4d1f-bc7c-0544a09ebba5.html

And why would Biden choose someone in law to appease a movement that believe law and policing need massive overhaul?

Did badly how, explain. She wasn't the one avoiding every question like Pence. And Trump is far more radical than Harris.

If Harris was Irish she would be Fine Gael..

She was telling a lot of porky pies. I would hope that any reasonable person who watched the debate would conclude that Pence came across a lot better than she.

L1011 · 14-10-2020 01:46PM

stefanovich wrote: »

She was telling a lot of porky pies.

Like?

stefanovich · 14-10-2020 01:50PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

And Trump is far more radical than Harris.

If Harris was Irish she would be Fine Gael..

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2019/senate/ideology

The most left wing politician in the senate not radical?

Quin_Dub · 14-10-2020 01:52PM

stefanovich wrote: »

She was telling a lot of porky pies. I would hope that any reasonable person who watched the debate would conclude that Pence came across a lot better than she.

And Pence didn't???

Based on this list , Pence outright lied quite a bit more than Harris did

stefanovich · 14-10-2020 01:54PM

L1011 wrote: »

Like?

She said she would not ban fracking when she said she would during the CNN townhall.

She said they would not increase taxes on anyone earning less than $400K but Biden had already said he would repeal the Trump tax cuts.

Quin_Dub · 14-10-2020 01:54PM

stefanovich wrote: »

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2019/senate/ideology

The most left wing politician in the senate not radical?

No - It's all relative of course , but just because her voting profile is the most left leaning in the current Senate does not make her "radical" , it's more a reflection of how utterly moribund and disconnected from current reality the rest of the Senate is.

duploelabs · 14-10-2020 01:56PM

stefanovich wrote: »

She said she would not ban fracking when she said she would during the CNN townhall.

She said they would not increase taxes on anyone earning less than $400K but Biden had already said he would repeal the Trump tax cuts.

So no link or verification then

Quin_Dub · 14-10-2020 01:58PM

stefanovich wrote: »

She said she would not ban fracking when she said she would during the CNN townhall.

That's the bit you are missing..

She is now running as VP to Biden - The Biden Campaign position is not to ban fracking , so she is aligned to that now.

That's what happens when two groups come together , they review and compromise and put forward a consolidated plan.

That consolidated plan is to not ban fracking.

Why is this so hard for people?

stefanovich wrote: »

She said they would not increase taxes on anyone earning less than $400K but Biden had already said he would repeal the Trump tax cuts.

Again - Not a lie - They will repeal the Trump tax cuts , for those earning more than $400k.

Those earning less than $400k might see some impact due to the downstream impacts from some of the Corporate tax changes , but there are no income tax increases in the plan for those on less than $400k.

so where is the lie?

stefanovich · 14-10-2020 01:59PM

duploelabs wrote: »

So no link or verification then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxbmYHWnqLw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt5tQNbKs8A

Quin_Dub · 14-10-2020 02:04PM

stefanovich wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxbmYHWnqLw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt5tQNbKs8A

Like I said - that's the difference between "Potential Democratic Party Presidential candidate Harris" and "Confirmed VP Candidate running under a Biden Administration Harris"

So , Not a Lie.

L1011 · 14-10-2020 02:06PM

stefanovich wrote: »

She said she would not ban fracking when she said she would during the CNN townhall.

She said they would not increase taxes on anyone earning less than $400K but Biden had already said he would repeal the Trump tax cuts.

Two things she said when trying to be the Presidential candidate, which she is now not and is instead running as VP to Biden.

So not lies, then

Anything else you misinterpreted?

rossie1977 · 14-10-2020 02:30PM

stefanovich wrote: »

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2019/senate/ideology

The most left wing politician in the senate not radical?

Look at those radical left wing bills, she would make North Korea or Stalin blush..

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse#sponsor=412678

The fact Kirsten Gillibrand is third on that list just highlights how far to the right the US Senate currently leans

droidus · 14-10-2020 02:35PM

stefanovich wrote: »

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2019/senate/ideology

The most left wing politician in the senate not radical?

lol, in what universe is Harris more left wing than Bernie Sanders?

is_that_so · 14-10-2020 03:00PM

This piece suggests that Florida may be at risk for Trump, because of the seniors. Lose Florida and he has very little hope at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/14/florida-senior-voters-trump-biden-election

Quin_Dub · 14-10-2020 03:01PM

I see that Trump is going to be holding a Town-hall event on NBC on Thursday evening from Florida at the same time as the Biden one in Philadelphia on ABC.

Both of them holding townhalls might actually be more informative than having Trump roaring his way through a shared one.

Quin_Dub · 14-10-2020 03:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

This piece suggests that Florida may be at risk for Trump, because of the seniors. Lose Florida and he has very little hope at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/14/florida-senior-voters-trump-biden-election

If he loses Florida it's over - It's been almost 100 years since a Republican took the Presidency without Florida.

Which makes his "Biden for PResident" tweet yesterday all the more crazy.

He needs the Retiree vote and he just took a shot at them..

stefanovich · 14-10-2020 03:27PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I see that Trump is going to be holding a Town-hall event on NBC on Thursday evening from Florida at the same time as the Biden one in Philadelphia on ABC.

Both of them holding townhalls might actually be more informative than having Trump roaring his way through a shared one.

It'll be interesting to compare ratings.

Foxtrol · 14-10-2020 03:40PM

stefanovich wrote: »

It'll be interesting to compare ratings.

Interesting but I don't think anything can be taken from it though. Trump was so proud of his COVID press conference ratings despite how it was killing him in the polls. People hate watch things.

Foxtrol · 14-10-2020 03:42PM

For those that were concerned by enthusiasm for 2020 or Biden, not only are they setting records in early voting but it is also being reflected in records in polls.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1316195240605343745?s=20

US Presidential Election 2020

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