Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Ginger n Lemon · 13-10-2020 04:02PM

Ice Albatross wrote: »

Long term lurker of this thread. Good place to go to in order to see views going against the media narrative.

Looks like it's the home for anti-lockdown views. Some are obviously too extreme and hyperbolic but from people I know it's probably the majority view in general. Lot of house parties coming up the bank holiday weekend.

Also seen a fella walking around in a Freddy (from the Halloween movie) mask, will Halloween masks become acceptable in shops? Expect a detailed RTE piece on how they are ineffective within a week or two

All tax raises in the budget were indirect today, great opportunity to raise carbon taxes etc. 1.5bn coat to the haulage industry which will no doubt be reflected in everyday prices. I've a feeling the people who are most vocally pro lockdown will actually be pro these taxes, with the same rhetoric "just buy a electric car, cycle move to a city centre, or stay at home" following the advice with Covid "just stay at home" nicely

So it looks like we are facing into these half-lockdown restrictions until March anyway. It's painfully obvious at this stage Ireland won't be taking any sensible calls on strategy which in order to avoid Twitter outrage, our best hope is that other European countries give up lockdowns fully so NPHET and the government can follow their lead

What are the chances Christmas will be cancelled and the advice will be to zoom call your family members for Christmas dinner?

On an aside did anyone see the bit on Claire Byrne last night where they showed how you can enjoy outdoor dining? it's actually simple just put on 12 layers

What a great first post.

Bravo.

That in bold is the likely "plan" that other poster here keeps searching for.

lawred2 · 13-10-2020 04:03PM

Ice Albatross wrote: »

Long term lurker of this thread. Good place to go to in order to see views going against the media narrative.

Looks like it's the home for anti-lockdown views. Some are obviously too extreme and hyperbolic but from people I know it's probably the majority view in general. Lot of house parties coming up the bank holiday weekend.

Also seen a fella walking around in a Freddy (from the Halloween movie) mask, will Halloween masks become acceptable in shops? Expect a detailed RTE piece on how they are ineffective within a week or two

All tax raises in the budget were indirect today, great opportunity to raise carbon taxes etc. 1.5bn coat to the haulage industry which will no doubt be reflected in everyday prices. I've a feeling the people who are most vocally pro lockdown will actually be pro these taxes, with the same rhetoric "just buy a electric car, cycle move to a city centre, or stay at home" following the advice with Covid "just stay at home" nicely

So it looks like we are facing into these half-lockdown restrictions until March anyway. It's painfully obvious at this stage Ireland won't be taking any sensible calls on strategy which in order to avoid Twitter outrage, our best hope is that other European countries give up lockdowns fully so NPHET and the government can follow their lead

What are the chances Christmas will be cancelled and the advice will be to zoom call your family members for Christmas dinner?

On an aside did anyone see the bit on Claire Byrne last night where they showed how you can enjoy outdoor dining? it's actually simple just put on 12 layers

any sensible calls on strategy

such as?

Christmas will be cancelled

how?

Gradius · 13-10-2020 04:04PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Listen, regardless of your views or plans, whatever you do please continue to post in this thread. vindaloo

Oh I'll pop up now and then to remind everyone that there's a way out of this.

Until then they can all surf the waves of virus obsessing over numbers this and numbers that until the dolphins come home

Ice Albatross · 13-10-2020 04:23PM

lawred2 wrote: »

such as?

how?

Any coherent strategy at all besides saying the next two weeks are crucial and kicking the can down the road a couple weeks would be an improvement

If people are told not to come home for Christmas (two week quarantine would stop some people although some would ignore), pubs/restaurants are closed and people are advised not to leave their county, in my eyes that'd be most of what makes Christmas a good time of year and something to look forward to cancelled.

Libski · 13-10-2020 04:24PM

Ice Albatross wrote: »

Long term lurker of this thread. Good place to go to in order to see views going against the media narrative.

Looks like it's the home for anti-lockdown views. Some are obviously too extreme and hyperbolic but from people I know it's probably the majority view in general. Lot of house parties coming up the bank holiday weekend.

Also seen a fella walking around in a Freddy (from the Halloween movie) mask, will Halloween masks become acceptable in shops? Expect a detailed RTE piece on how they are ineffective within a week or two

All tax raises in the budget were indirect today, great opportunity to raise carbon taxes etc. 1.5bn coat to the haulage industry which will no doubt be reflected in everyday prices. I've a feeling the people who are most vocally pro lockdown will actually be pro these taxes, with the same rhetoric "just buy a electric car, cycle move to a city centre, or stay at home" following the advice with Covid "just stay at home" nicely

So it looks like we are facing into these half-lockdown restrictions until March anyway. It's painfully obvious at this stage Ireland won't be taking any sensible calls on strategy which in order to avoid Twitter outrage, our best hope is that other European countries give up lockdowns fully so NPHET and the government can follow their lead

What are the chances Christmas will be cancelled and the advice will be to zoom call your family members for Christmas dinner?

On an aside did anyone see the bit on Claire Byrne last night where they showed how you can enjoy outdoor dining? it's actually simple just put on 12 layers

Found the avid Twitter user.

Plumbthedepths · 13-10-2020 04:28PM

Libski wrote: »

Do you agree with C19 restrictions?

Yes to some and no to others.

_Kaiser_ · 13-10-2020 04:29PM

Libski wrote: »

Found the avid Twitter user.

He's not wrong. The hysteria on Twitter, Facebook and indeed boards.ie over this issue has been steadily ramped up over the preceding months, and true to form anyone not on-message with the accepted narrative is called out, attacked., dismissed or belittled.. just as you've done there!

Alternate view and approaches are something badly lacking in our CV-19 response. We may not agree with them all, but they should certainly be discussed and their merits (or lack thereof) considered rationally and fairly.

Ice Albatross · 13-10-2020 04:31PM

Libski wrote: »

Found the avid Twitter user.

Hehe not at all. But would that be a bad thing anyway?

Twitter would suit you, there'd be no fear of you going over the character limit anyway 🙈

ShyMets · 13-10-2020 04:32PM

Its part of the reason I dont post on the main Covid thread. Go off message and you're hounded as a Granny killer.

They're also a few posters who are so sanctimonious it sickens me.

13-10-2020 04:43PM

Ice Albatross wrote: »

Long term lurker of this thread. Good place to go to in order to see views going against the media narrative.

Looks like it's the home for anti-lockdown views. Some are obviously too extreme and hyperbolic but from people I know it's probably the majority view in general. Lot of house parties coming up the bank holiday weekend.

Also seen a fella walking around in a Freddy (from the Halloween movie) mask, will Halloween masks become acceptable in shops? Expect a detailed RTE piece on how they are ineffective within a week or two

All tax raises in the budget were indirect today, great opportunity to raise carbon taxes etc. 1.5bn coat to the haulage industry which will no doubt be reflected in everyday prices. I've a feeling the people who are most vocally pro lockdown will actually be pro these taxes, with the same rhetoric "just buy a electric car, cycle move to a city centre, or stay at home" following the advice with Covid "just stay at home" nicely

So it looks like we are facing into these half-lockdown restrictions until March anyway. It's painfully obvious at this stage Ireland won't be taking any sensible calls on strategy which in order to avoid Twitter outrage, our best hope is that other European countries give up lockdowns fully so NPHET and the government can follow their lead

What are the chances Christmas will be cancelled and the advice will be to zoom call your family members for Christmas dinner?

On an aside did anyone see the bit on Claire Byrne last night where they showed how you can enjoy outdoor dining? it's actually simple just put on 12 layers

Claire has become the poster girl for Covid-19, she's forever selling a PRO covid way of life now as a lifestyle choice, the way people sell Tupper wear. She's as clever as the ear piece that prompts her. If she'd have stayed in her shed, that would be so much better and the same for rainbow ryan tubridy.

lawred2 · 13-10-2020 04:49PM

Ice Albatross wrote: »

Any coherent strategy at all besides saying the next two weeks are crucial and kicking the can down the road a couple weeks would be an improvement

I ask again as it's clear you don't agree with the current approach but what would be your coherent strategy?

lawred2 · 13-10-2020 04:52PM

rusty cole wrote: »

Claire has become the poster girl for Covid-19, she's forever selling a PRO covid way of life now as a lifestyle choice, the way people sell Tupper wear. She's as clever as the ear piece that prompts her. If she'd have stayed in her shed, that would be so much better and the same for rainbow ryan tubridy.

Claire Byrne show has become a joke that doesn't seem to know who it wants to appeal to...

A mix of the serious and the puerile...

That Covid Quiz was one of the most stupidly childish things I've seen on TV. And then how to enjoy eating outdoors...

And she herself is not that good an interviewer as much as she'd like to believe she is.

Libski · 13-10-2020 05:02PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yes to some and no to others.

What ones do you disagree with?

Libski · 13-10-2020 05:03PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

He's not wrong. The hysteria on Twitter, Facebook and indeed boards.ie over this issue has been steadily ramped up over the preceding months, and true to form anyone not on-message with the accepted narrative is called out, attacked., dismissed or belittled.. just as you've done there!

Alternate view and approaches are something badly lacking in our CV-19 response. We may not agree with them all, but they should certainly be discussed and their merits (or lack thereof) considered rationally and fairly.

Or maybe people need to spend less time online?

Libski · 13-10-2020 05:05PM

Ice Albatross wrote: »

Hehe not at all. But would that be a bad thing anyway?

Twitter would suit you, there'd be no fear of you going over the character limit anyway 🙈

lol true.

Bad thing? Obviously - if a person gets their "news" from Twitter, that's not news. That's the problem.

Plumbthedepths · 13-10-2020 05:06PM

Libski wrote: »

What ones do you disagree with?

Any thoughts yourself instead of one liners?

Libski · 13-10-2020 05:08PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Any thoughts yourself instead of one liners?

Ask me a question that isn't so vague.

bucketybuck · 13-10-2020 05:13PM

Gradius wrote: »

Yes it does work. Yes it would work. Yes it will work, and you'll see that by the end of spring when it gains traction as the only credible plan available.

Until then, keep scratching your head about why everything is getting worse and worse and worse.

I have a very simple question for you. Yes or no answer, nice and straightforward.

New Zealand closed their borders and tried for zero covid, are they currently covid free?

Plumbthedepths · 13-10-2020 05:18PM

Libski wrote: »

Ask me a question that isn't so vague.

It's quite simple you asked me a question about restrictions without first giving your own thoughts. Do you think they are sufficient, too few or too many?
I know I put you in a bind as a coherent response will require more than 8 or 9 words.

bettyoleary · 13-10-2020 05:19PM

rusty cole wrote: »

Claire has become the poster girl for Covid-19, she's forever selling a PRO covid way of life now as a lifestyle choice, the way people sell Tupper wear. She's as clever as the ear piece that prompts her. If she'd have stayed in her shed, that would be so much better and the same for rainbow ryan tubridy.

Perhaps thats why shes in a well paid job, will never loose the job and dosent need to take spoilt tantrums on boards bcos we cant do what we want, when we want. The country is in the middle of a pandemic, we will be increasing restrictions as and when necessary wether you like it, agree with it or not. And, what ever you have to say about it wont make the slightest bit of difference. Clare is on national tv and radio your not. Id suggest you go back to your shed if you have one bcos no one with half a brain really cares what you think, especially Clare.

Gradius · 13-10-2020 05:21PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I have a very simple question for you. Yes or no answer, nice and straightforward.

New Zealand closed their borders and tried for zero covid, are they currently covid free?

Not the same thing.

They started out correctly. Successfully eliminated the virus. Back to relative normality.

The difference is that they opened the borders again. They were infected again. Shocker!

The example of New Zealand proves the point of my idea as successful.

The subsequent failure of New Zealand ALSO proves the point of my idea as successful.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it all day long.

Ice Albatross · 13-10-2020 05:23PM

lawred2 wrote: »

I ask again as it's clear you don't agree with the current approach but what would be your coherent strategy?

Fair enough. My plan would be:

Can keep the levelling system, minus the changes they put in after announcing it (Dublin and Donegal being put at level 2 and a bit). Base moving from one level to another off whether the hospitals are overwhelmed. In line with this I'd put us back to Level 1 now.

Generally only test people who have symptoms, as we did back in March and April. Keep testing for persons with symptoms/requiring healthcare, family members of high risk persons and healthcare workers. No more of GPs advising people who do not have Covid symptoms to go for a test

State categorically that zero Covid is not a policy goal due to politics/border with Northern Ireland, our dependence on travel and the fact that it has not been fully successful in any country worldwide. Advise media that any person advocating same should be condemned unless they also have a solution to the aforementioned problems

Advise the media that they should not report daily Covid case figures or deaths as these are meaningless (constant reporting of cases and deaths from weeks prior being presented as cases that day currently) Produce a report weekly and, and every two weeks produce a detailed report of people sick with Covid and hospital breakdown, including details of cases. Create team to investigate numbers in hospital, did people catch it in hospital or did they only have to go to hospital due to catching Covid. Report this. Advise media to no longer report 30,000 cases in the country as majority of these are not active. Basically release fully transparent and more accurate information and try to undo damage from media of last 9 months. If hospitals are being filled solely due to Covid and not the normal winter illnesses, rise to level 2/3. Only move to 4/5 if report shows people are dying due to hospitals being massively overfilled solely due to Covid. If they are overfilled like most winters but evidence shows its not due to Covid, tackle that issue separately from lockdowns

Went on a bit long in the last paragraph there, tl/dr base any extreme lockdown measures like we currently have off of the actual rise of Covid 19 in hospital numbers, taking into account normal seasonal rises

Edit: spelling

Plumbthedepths · 13-10-2020 05:26PM

Has the thread being infected by Zero Covid bs?

Ginger n Lemon · 13-10-2020 05:27PM

Gradius wrote: »

Not the same thing.

They started out correctly. Successfully eliminated the virus. Back to relative normality.

The difference is that they opened the borders again. They were infected again. Shocker!

The example of New Zealand proves the point of my idea as successful.

The subsequent failure of New Zealand ALSO proves the point of my idea as successful.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it all day long.

And you want us to keep borders closed permanently? Back to potatoes being the main dish in Irish homes?

Ginger n Lemon · 13-10-2020 05:28PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Has the thread being infected by Zero Covid bs?

No. God no. This isnt the main covid thread, we are reasonable here, most of us anyways

13-10-2020 05:31PM

Ice Albatross wrote: »

Fair enough. My plan would be:

Can keep the levelling system, minus the changes they put in after announcing it (Dublin and Donegal being put at level 2 and a bit). Base moving from one level to another off whether the hospitals are overwhelmed. In line with this I'd put us back to Level 1 now.

Generally only test people who have symptoms, as we did back in March and April. Keep testing for persons with symptoms/require healthcare, family members of high risk persons and healthcare workers. No more of GPs advising people who do not have Covid symptoms to go for a test

State categorically that zero Covid is not a policy goal due to politics/border with Northern Ireland, our dependence on travel and the fact that it has not been fully successful in any country worldwide. Advise media that any person advocating same should be condemned unless they also have a solution to the aforementioned problems

Advise the media that they should not report daily Covid case figures or deaths as these are meaningless (constant reporting of cases and deaths from weeks prior being presented as cases that day currently) Produce a report weekly and, and every two weeks produce a detailed report of people sick with Covid and hospital breakdown, including details of cases. Create team to investigate numbers in hospital, did people catch it in hospital or did they only have to go to hospital due to catching Covid. Report this. Advise media to no longer report 30,000 cases in the country as majority of these are not active. Basically release fully transparent and more accurate information and try to undo damage from media of last 9 months. If hospitals are being filled solely due to Covid and not the normal winter illnesses, rise to level 2/3. Only move to 4/5 if report shows people are dying due to hospitals being massively overfilled solely due to Covid. If they are overfilled like most winters but evidence shows its not due to Covid, tackle that issue separately from lockdowns

Went on a bit long in the last paragraph there, tl/dr base any extreme lockdown measures like we currently have off of the actual rise of Covid 19 in hospital numbers, taking into account normal seasonal rises

There's more holes in that than Swiss cheese. Removes asymptomatic carriers from the equation (yes, they can still infect the vulnerable and elderly believe it or not) and a slow drip-feed of information is rather hopeless to sufficiently prepare the public during a rapidly evolving crisis. Ultimately, my spidey senses detect a wind-up.

Captain_Crash · 13-10-2020 05:31PM

Gradius wrote: »

Not the same thing.

They started out correctly. Successfully eliminated the virus. Back to relative normality.

The difference is that they opened the borders again. They were infected again. Shocker!

The example of New Zealand proves the point of my idea as successful.

The subsequent failure of New Zealand ALSO proves the point of my idea as successful.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it all day long.

The first positive case after they had declared themselves covid free was before the border opened again!

Try harder next time... your pipe might taste better but it’ll still make ya cough

13-10-2020 05:34PM

Ice Albatross wrote: »

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Generally only test people who have symptoms, as we did back in March and April. Keep testing for persons with symptoms/requiring healthcare, family members of high risk persons and healthcare workers. No more of GPs advising people who do not have Covid symptoms to go for a test

Terrible idea, we need to test anyone who has any form of symptom and anyone deemed a close contact otherwise we lose track of where the virus is and you can have people with no symptoms going around infecting people without knowing it.

I would go so far as to say we need to start testing more and more, at random anyone in a work setting etc.

Ice Albatross wrote: »

State categorically that zero Covid is not a policy goal due to politics/border with Northern Ireland, our dependence on travel and the fact that it has not been fully successful in any country worldwide. Advise media that any person advocating same should be condemned unless they also have a solution to the aforementioned problems

Censor the media from reporting perfectly acceptable solutions such as zero covid, most definitely not.

Ice Albatross wrote: »

Advise the media that they should not report daily Covid case figures or deaths as these are meaningless

Crazy suggestion, the people deserve to know the day to day situation with the virus I cannot fathom how anyone sees withholding vital information from the people as a viable strategy.

Ginger n Lemon · 13-10-2020 05:34PM

The extra funds are also earmarked for:

“Immediate actions to reduce waiting lists”, namely 100,000 additional inpatient and day-care procedures through investment in public hospitals, spare capacity in private hospitals, and using the National Treatment Fund

An additional 1,146 acute beds

An “permanent increase” in the number of critical care beds, from 255 pre-Covid to 321 by the end of next year

1,250 new community beds in 2021, including more than 600 new rehabilitation beds

Five million additional home care hours, aimed to help alleviate community waiting lists for home care, as well as supporting hospital avoidance and delayed discharges

The implementation of the Sláintecare public-only consultant contract

The accelerated implemented of a number of strategies “including the National
Cancer Strategy, the National Maternity Strategy, the National Trauma Strategy, as well as the rollout of other social care strategies”

€5 million to community-based dementia services and supports

Extra funding for cancer screening

€50 million for new drugs

€25 million for Healthy Ireland and the National Drugs Strategy

€38 million for new measures under the national mental health strategy, Sharing The Vision

€100 million for new disability measures, including supports for 1,700 school leavers, respite services, and increased personal assistant hours

16,000 additional posts across the healthcare sector

With all of the above - how and why would we still tremble as we listen to Tony H tonight at 6.01? Our healthcare is like a monster truck now , well funded - next Friday get country back to level 2 and lets start living. While ofcourse adhering to personal hygiene, mask wearing and social distancing

Gradius · 13-10-2020 05:34PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

And you want us to keep borders closed permanently? Back to potatoes being the main dish in Irish homes?

Absolutely.

Given a choice of living normally in the country, versus the current circus of shoite forever, I know what I'd prefer.

If a vaccine comes around eventually, great. If it doesn't, then I'd rather not be living in this zombie apocalypse anyway!

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