Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 13-10-2020 09:36AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

What's so bad about the 'relaxed' idea? No one would be forced to register as 'relaxed'. At the moment, relaxed people are forced to endure tyranny. It's extremely cruel.

You obviously don't know what tyranny is.

Libski · 13-10-2020 09:36AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

I'm not anti-vaccine. In fact, I have said that I'd take the Russian vaccine in the morning. I get vaccines, like most people do.

I just don't see how children will ever be able to recover from wearing one of those things for potentially years at school, not seeing their friends laugh and smile, not seeing the human face. As bad as the damage will be for adults, I genuinely believe it will be irreversible when it comes to children. Why I say it could be the worst n human history is because of the number of children involved. All across the world children are being forced to wear them.

Children don't wear masks.

13-10-2020 09:36AM

This place is being spammed with conspiracy theories, there is a whole forum for this bull it doesn't need to be in here. Tin foil hat sellers are booming with covid it would appear.

Libski · 13-10-2020 09:38AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

A person's livelihood is their life. For it to be destroyed over a virus is terrible for the person.

No it's not - they're still alive.

Penfailed · 13-10-2020 09:39AM

uli84 wrote: »

crazy as it is, I started following news from other countries to get some normality in my head. Poland for example ''When asked, among other things, whether we are facing a "slow, partial lockdown", Minister of Health replied that "no, we would not want a lockdown". He also noted that the lockdown in the first half of the year was necessary because "we did not know the threat at all".
- At the moment we recognize this threat a little better. Second, the costs of such a lockdown, it turns out, are much greater than its benefits, in the sense that the effects of the lockdown will prevent us from investing in health protection, the closure of the economy will be to the great detriment of hundreds of thousands of jobs, people's lives, and the financial capabilities of the Polish state, and therefore these arguments must be carefully balanced''

I bet the narrative would be similar here if that nonsensical NPHET wasn't created.

The narrative is similar here. That's why we are currently at level three and not level five.

Don't Chute! · 13-10-2020 09:40AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

A lot of people feel that what is going on is tyranny. Destroyed lives, livelihoods, mental health, businesses, a banjaxed economy, thousands of deaths from cancer in the future because of the obsession with COVID etc.

That's why the 'relaxed' idea urgently needs to be implemented.

I don’t think I’ve ever put anyone on ignore on Boards but you are pushing it now. All this bull**** about “leaving the west” “relaxed and non-relaxed people” and “tyranny” is just utter nonsense. You are actually starting to make Nox seem intelligent and reasonable which is some going. Give it up.

Libski · 13-10-2020 09:41AM

My father is concerned about the virus and I'm concerned about him.

He makes me see why people are worried about the virus - I'm not worried for me, but I am for him.

Yes we need a functioning economy - but at the end of the day, from my father's perspective, the economy doesn't matter when you're dead.

Life is the most important thing that we need to protect - it is more important than everything else.

Graces7 · 13-10-2020 09:45AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

I don't see how living off the grid as 'relaxed' persons is stupid. Destroying lives, livelihoods, mental health, humanity, natural instincts and what makes life worth living over what is for most people a mild virus is insanity, in my opinion. But the 'relaxed' idea solves that problem. People who want new normal get to have it, while people who don't get to live as 'relaxed' persons.

Hyperbole. Worrying way to think .

paw patrol · 13-10-2020 09:47AM

Libski wrote: »

My father is concerned about the virus and I'm concerned about him.

He makes me see why people are worried about the virus - I'm not worried for me, but I am for him.

Yes we need a functioning economy - but at the end of the day, from my father's perspective, the economy doesn't matter when you're dead.

thats no problem , why can't he avoid places where he is at risk , like a rational person would do anyway for any illness.

If you are concerned about passing illness to him you either reduced contact or avoid places where you are at risk. if flu would kill you, would you go to the pub during flu season? This seems common sense to me.

The people not in that scenario i.e. being worried about covid should be able live their lives to the fullest.

You can argue that somebody like me could infect you but we probably will never interact beyond a supermarket or public setting where the risk of transmission is nearly zero - the reasoning that you must be 15mins with a person to be a close contact and also we aren't seeing hordes of supermarket people getting ill.

Graces7 · 13-10-2020 09:49AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

I'm not anti-vaccine. In fact, I have said that I'd take the Russian vaccine in the morning. I get vaccines, like most people do.

I just don't see how children will ever be able to recover from wearing one of those things for potentially years at school, not seeing their friends laugh and smile, not seeing the human face. As bad as the damage will be for adults, I genuinely believe it will be irreversible when it comes to children. Why I say it could be the worst n human history is because of the number of children involved. All across the world children are being forced to wear them.

When I went into hospital and all the staff were wearing masks, I thought that at first. Then I realised how expressive eyes are! And voices... AFter a few hours you don't notice the mask at all.

When I think back now I have no memory of masked faces; just the people behind them

We are more resilient than you seem to think. We know why we are wearing masks

Libski · 13-10-2020 09:50AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Hyperbole. Worrying way to think .

No he's actually right in that people do suffer because of lockdown. I work in the disability sector and it's impossible to communicate this pandemic to someone who has intellectual disabilities - and they have suffered trauma from not being able to access their services, or not being able to see their parents.

My view is that yes it is bad - but the alternative is allowing people to die.

Elmer Blooker · 13-10-2020 09:51AM

normanoffside wrote: »

John Giles tells us he is living in fear of Covid and is checking his temperature 5 times a day.

Nice heart-warming story Claire- just what we need.

Anyone on CB last night telling how they are living in fear of losing their job, home and for the future of their children?

I didn't watch it but I know the answer to my own question.

storker · 13-10-2020 09:52AM

Graces7 wrote: »

When I went into hospital and all the staff were wearing masks, I thought that at first. Then I realised how expressive eyes are! And voices... AFter a few hours you don't notice the mask at all.

We are more resilient than you seem to think. We know why we are wearing masks

I can tell when people smile at me in the supermarket. Also, I asked my daughters (teens) this morning if wearing the masks all day at school is a pain, expecting the answer to be yes. But no, they said it was fine and they'd got used to it quickly.

uli84 · 13-10-2020 09:52AM

Penfailed wrote: »

The narrative is similar here. That's why we are currently at level three and not level five.

we may be at level 3 but the narrative is very different, the constant (and stupid) threat of lockdown is hanging in the air all the time. Has anyone actually recently said publicly ''we would not want a lockdown'' (?)

Libski · 13-10-2020 09:54AM

paw patrol wrote: »

thats no problem , why can't he avoid places where he is at risk , like a rational person would do anyway for any illness.

If you are concerned about passing illness to him you either reduced contact or avoid places where you are at risk. if flu would kill you, would you go to the pub during flu season? This seems common sense to me.

The people not in that scenario i.e. being worried about covid should be able live their lives to the fullest.

You can argue that somebody like me could infect you but we probably will never interact beyond a supermarket or public setting where the risk of transmission is nearly zero - the reasoning that you must be 15mins with a person to be a close contact and also we aren't seeing hordes of supermarket people getting ill.

Why can't you just protect people like him and social distance and wear a mask?

paw patrol · 13-10-2020 09:57AM

I was reading that the PCR tests are amplified to levels of x40 to x45.
This came from a freedom of information from the dept of health.

This means the tests are super sensitive by a massive factor -it's not 15 times more...it's way more.
normally I'm told tests for other things are amplified 25-30 times.
this means that it picks up tiny amounts or the virus , even if it isn't at a significant level. This ties in with the people who are positive but not sick.

also causes a bigger risk in background interference and errors which tie in with the false positives we see and detecting fragments from people who had it in the past but have recovered.

Normally I wouldn't give a fcuk tbh , but public policy is now damaging my life in a significant way based on (what I can see ) poor / guesswork science.

I'm open to correction of course. in fact i'd love somebody to correct me.

Libski · 13-10-2020 09:59AM

paw patrol wrote: »

I was read that the PCR tests are amplified to levels of x40 to x 45.
This came from a freedom of information from the dept of health.

This means the tests are super sensitive by a massive factor -it's not 15 times more...it's way more.

normally I'm told tests for other things are amplified 25-30 times.

this means that it picks up tiny amounts or the virus , even if it isn't at a significant level. This ties in with the people who are positive but not sick.

also causes a bigger risk in background interference and errors which tie in with the false positives we see and detecting fragments from people who had it in the past but have recovered.

Normally I wouldn't give a fcuk tbh , but public policy is now damaging my life in a significant way based on (what I can see ) poor / guesswork science.

I'm open to correction of course. in fact i'd love somebody to correct me.

How?

13-10-2020 10:00AM

Libski wrote: »

My father is concerned about the virus and I'm concerned about him.

He makes me see why people are worried about the virus - I'm not worried for me, but I am for him.

Yes we need a functioning economy - but at the end of the day, from my father's perspective, the economy doesn't matter when you're dead.

Life is the most important thing that we need to protect - it is more important than everything else.

And for a person that loses their business/livelihood, Covid is not going to matter too much to them when they are losing their home.

Some things are worse than death. Destroying society and lots of the livelihoods within it is worse for me.

I don't want to see Ireland back in the dark ages because we had a crazy idea that we sacrifice everything to try prevent death.

People die everyday. A huge majority has nothing to do with Covid. And yet nobody was terrified of death pre covid...

Libski · 13-10-2020 10:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And for a person that loses their business/livelihood, Covid is not going to matter too much to them when they are losing their home.

Some things are worse than death. Destroying society and lots of the livelihoods within it is worse for me.

I don't want to see Ireland back in the dark ages because we had a crazy idea that we sacrifice everything to try prevent death.

People die everyday. A huge majority has nothing to do with Covid. And yet nobody was terrified of death pre covid...

Given a choice - lose your life or your business, what would you choose?

paw patrol · 13-10-2020 10:02AM

Libski wrote: »

Why can't you just protect people like him and social distance and wear a mask?

I don't think covid is that big a deal for one. I don't believe in the need for any restrictions given what we know of covid19 now.

Social distancing and mask wearing is no way to live your life ( me and mine are entitled to a quality of life too) esp in the long term - remember our level 1 still has restrictions so we have no plan yet to exit social distancing and open things like casinos/disco/niteclubs...
so why would I sign up to something that was going on forever especially with no end to it

Ginger n Lemon · 13-10-2020 10:03AM

Libski wrote: »

Given a choice - lose your life or your business, what would you choose?

Are we back to this nonsense in this thread? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

13-10-2020 10:06AM

Libski wrote: »

Given a choice - lose your life or your business, what would you choose?

That is not the choice though. Nearly a quarter of a million are currently on PUP payments vs less than 2000 deaths. And the deaths are way overstated.

paw patrol · 13-10-2020 10:07AM

Libski wrote: »

How?

what do you want a list of my life and it's activities that I can or cant do?

give over.

Graces7 · 13-10-2020 10:07AM

Libski wrote: »

No he's actually right in that people do suffer because of lockdown. I work in the disability sector and it's impossible to communicate this pandemic to someone who has intellectual disabilities - and they have suffered trauma from not being able to access their services, or not being able to see their parents.

My view is that yes it is bad - but the alternative is allowing people to die.

"Destroy" is what I am saying is inaccurate and hyperbole. Yes folk are badly affected but with time and help that will change, we are created to adapt to change. Especialy if we accept and understand why this is happening.

I have been in almost total "lockdown " for over two years now, My immune system is down and at my advanced age and with this illness even a cold is dangerous. The only place I have been in that while is hospital in an emergency . And I am at peace about that now although there are things I miss out there. On the journey home from hospital through the places I love and miss, I was glued to the windows!

Adapting takes time but we can do it. IF we want to. Yes of course we are affected adversely but not "destroyed "

And there are wonderful folk like you out there working to alleviate this temporary time! Thank you. I had great support from extended family who knew the danger I was and am in. Now I am at peace about it.

And as you say. it is needful. These are extreme times. May they pass..

What is happening here is that some are not accepting the need for lockdown so of course it is totally aggressively negative and hyperbolic .

Your last sentence is truth and sanity . Life is precious and at my age I am high risk

Libski · 13-10-2020 10:08AM

paw patrol wrote: »

I don't think covid is that big a deal for one. I don't believe in the need for any restrictions given what we know of covid19 now.

Social distancing and mask wearing is no way to live your life ( me and mine are entitled to a quality of life too) esp in the long term - remember our level 1 still has restrictions so we have no plan yet to exit social distancing and open things like casinos/disco/niteclubs...
so why would I sign up to something that was going on forever especially with no end to it

You have to wear a mask in a shop to save lives. Ten minutes tops. How in your head does your resistance make sense - when you're saving lives?

Libski · 13-10-2020 10:09AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Are we back to this nonsense in this thread? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

What are you talking about?

Libski · 13-10-2020 10:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That is not the choice though. Nearly a quarter of a million are currently on PUP payments vs less than 2000 deaths. And the deaths are way overstated.

Which would you choose? Simple question.

Libski · 13-10-2020 10:11AM

paw patrol wrote: »

what do you want a list of my life and it's activities that I can or cant do?

give over.

I want you to explain how you justify putting lives at risk.

Libski · 13-10-2020 10:13AM

Graces7 wrote: »

"Destroy" is what I am saying is inaccurate and hyperbole. Yes folk are badly affected but with time and help that will change, we are created to adapt to change. Especialy if we accept and understand why this is happening.

I have been in almost total "lockdown " for over two years now, My immune system is down and at my advanced age and with this illness even a cold is dangerous. The only place I have been in that while is hospital in an emergency . And I am at peace about that now although there are things I miss out there. On the journey home from hospital through the places I love and miss, I was glued to the windows!

Adapting takes time but we can do it. IF we want to. Yes of course we are affected adversely but not "destroyed "

And there are wonderful folk like you out there working to alleviate this temporary time! Thank you. I had great support from extended family who knew the danger I was and am in. Now I am at peace about it.

And as you say. it is needful. These are extreme times. May they pass..

What is happening here is that some are not accepting the need for lockdown so of course it is totally aggressively negative and hyperbolic .

Your last sentence is truth and sanity . Life is precious and at my age I am high risk

I'm sorry to hear that you're high risk, but you're all the more reason why I feel the way I do. We need to protect people.

bucketybuck · 13-10-2020 10:15AM

Libski wrote: »

Given a choice - lose your life or your business, what would you choose?

Libski wrote: »

Which would you choose? Simple question.

The vast, vast majority of people are only in danger of one of those.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings