Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

polesheep

Libski wrote: »

The solution is to do something that is guaranteed to kill them?

Warped logic.

I think you have a warped view.

Libski

Deleted User wrote: »

You are concerned about your father and based on your posts, I imagine you'd gladly let lots of other people suffer to protect him.

Its ok that you are selfish.

But we do need our leaders to look at the bigger picture.

It's selfish to ask people to wear a mask for 10 minutes to save lives?

No - it's selfish to not wear a mask.

polesheep

Libski wrote: »

You're comparing possible suicide to actual death.

That makes no sense.

You are assuming that Covid is a death sentence, that makes no sense.

weldoninhio

Dionaibh wrote: »

Actually, having just reread what he wrote, you're right.

But we could tweak it a bit and say that people wouldn't seek treatment.

Nobody is not going to seek treatment when desperately ill. Also, how do you distinguish Covid illness from other etc? If I've trouble breathing and have asthma, can I get treatment? What if I have Covid in my system, but have a heart attack or appendix issues??

polesheep

Libski wrote: »

That's not the situation here.

But it is. The Minister for Finance is determined to keep the economy functioning in the knowledge that some lives will be lost.

Libski

polesheep wrote: »

I think you have a warped view.

Your logic = the economy is good for older people but we won't wear masks to protect them because the economy is important for them.

Warped.

Libski

Libski wrote: »

It's selfish to ask people to wear a mask for 10 minutes to save lives?

No - it's selfish to not wear a mask.

Your posts are bizarre to say the least.
I'm out. Enjoy your day.

Libski

polesheep wrote: »

You are assuming that Covid is a death sentence, that makes no sense.

I'm referring to older people - and yes it is.

Libski

polesheep wrote: »

But it is. The Minister for Finance is determined to keep the economy functioning in the knowledge that some lives will be lost.

Do you have a business?

weldoninhio

Libski wrote: »

Livelihood vs life? Which one is more important?

The disease is killing people at the end of their life.

SusieBlue

Libski wrote: »

No, it's a case of what you consider more important - being alive and poor or being dead.

No, you’re oversimplifying it again. And you’re forgetting that this virus is only typically lethal to those who are elderly or with severe underlying conditions, which doesn’t apply to most people.
Those who are at risk need to protect themselves and be supported in doing so and everyone else needs to get on with things.

I’d rather get the virus than lose a second job to restrictions this year. The financial hardship has been extremely worrying and I have been in a constant state of panic since March, I am so worried for my future. There are many others in similar and worse situations.

I see no logic in keeping young, fit and healthy people locked in their houses out of work.
Mark my words, between suicides, missed cancer screenings and increased hospital delays there will be significantly more secondary deaths to coronavirus than those who died directly of the virus.
Unfortunately we only care about stopping death when it’s covid related, all the indirect deaths don’t seem to garner much sympathy or consideration.

d161

Libski wrote: »

I studied economics. I understand it. But I guess my view is fundamental - that life is more important than money.

I think you need to go and study economics in a country which has no economy.

I worked for several years in Africa. Once in Lagos, I observed a corpse left for several days outside a Church on a prominent road on Victoria Island. I asked why the corpse wasn't removed and was told that who ever removed it would be liable for either the cost of burial or blamed for the death and that it would surely be removed before mass on the Sunday as it was high profile church.

Sure enough, it was gone by the Sunday so that the well heeled were not offended. This was far from the only corpse I saw abandoned in poorer countries.

Being dead is worse than being in hardship.

You say that from a country with relatively little hardship compared to really poor countries. It's not guaranteed and it's not so long since all the young here had no choice but to emigrate. How many lives were ruined by that.

In countries with no economy, life has very little meaning and can be lost for want of a little money.

Libski

Deleted User wrote: »

Your posts are bizarre to say the least.
I'm out. Enjoy your day.

Wear a mask and social distance.

Ginger n Lemon

d161 wrote: »

I think you need to go and study economics in a country which has no economy.

I worked for several years in Africa. Once in Lagos, I observed a corpse left for several days outside a Church on a prominent road on Victoria Island. I asked why the corpse wasn't removed and was told that who ever removed it would be liable for either the cost of burial or blamed for the death and that it would surely be removed before mass on the Sunday as it was high profile church.

Sure enough, it was gone by the Sunday so that the well heeled were not offended. This was far from the only corpse I saw abandoned in poorer countries.


You say that from a country with relatively little hardship compared to really poor countries. It's not guaranteed and it's not so long since all the young here had no choice but to emigrate. How many lives were ruined by that.

In countries with no economy, life has very little meaning and can be lost for want of a little money.

That there - precise, harsh reality. Very well articulated. Very correct also...

Ginger n Lemon

Libski wrote: »

Wear a mask and social distance.

Why?

Is OP infected with covid?

Why would you tell OP what to do?

Libski

weldoninhio wrote: »

The disease is killing people at the end of their life.

Are you saying that money is more important than saving lives?

Stormyteacup

Libski wrote: »

No, it's a case of what you consider more important - being alive and poor or being dead.

Do we really have to do this again?

Seven months in and still dealing with this nonsense.

Or is this a deliberate attempt to derail a useful thread where differing views can be, for the most part, rationally argued.

Very odd posting behaviour. Real life equivalent of walking into a room of people having a group discussion and shouting random soundbites in their faces.

weldoninhio

Libski wrote: »

Given a choice - lose your life or your business, what would you choose?

Unless you are 80+ those aren't the choices though.

Captain_Crash

Deleted User wrote: »

Your posts are bizarre to say the least.
I'm out. Enjoy your day.

Never has someone gone on my ignore list so quickly... prob a Boards record and all. With some posters, you know very early on its not worth engaging.

Libski

SusieBlue wrote: »

No, you’re oversimplifying it again. And you’re forgetting that this virus is only typically lethal to those who are elderly or with severe underlying conditions, which doesn’t apply to most people.
Those who are at risk need to protect themselves and be supported in doing so and everyone else needs to get on with things.

I’d rather get the virus than lose a second job to restrictions this year. The financial hardship has been extremely worrying and I have been in a constant state of panic since March, I am so worried for my future. There are many others in similar and worse situations.

I see no logic in keeping young, fit and healthy people locked in their houses out of work.
Mark my words, between suicides, missed cancer screenings and increased hospital delays there will be significantly more secondary deaths to coronavirus than those who died directly of the virus.
Unfortunately we only care about stopping death when it’s covid related, all the indirect deaths don’t seem to garner much sympathy or consideration.

There's obviously no-one in your life that you're concerned about.

Libski

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Why?

Is OP infected with covid?

Why would you tell OP what to do?

Are you one of those nuts who thinks that a mask is an infringement upon their rights?

SusieBlue

Libski wrote: »

Are you saying that money is more important than saving lives?

The virtue signalling is real with this one.
Just know that your noble quest to ‘save lives’ will cause just as many other preventable deaths from those who missed cancer screenings, increased hospital waiting lists, reduced public funding for the health budget and more suicides.
Obviously those lives don’t matter to you, and that’s incredibly selfish.

Ginger n Lemon

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Never has someone gone on my ignore list so quickly... prob a Boards record and all. With some posters, you know very early on its not worth engaging.

You are right. Done.

In the other news

The €50m fund will provide once off grants of around €250 to students in college that are struggling for cash

https://www.independent.ie/business/budget/budget-2021-live-as-it-unfolds-39614265.html

Bravo. Great help isnt it. 250 quid..... what an absolute joke.

Libski

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Do we really have to do this again?

Seven months in and still dealing with this nonsense.

Or is this a deliberate attempt to derail a useful thread where differing views can be, for the most part, rationally argued.

Very odd posting behaviour. Real life equivalent of walking into a room of people having a group discussion and shouting random soundbites in their faces.

I'm new - no idea what you're talking about.

Libski

weldoninhio wrote: »

Unless you are 80+ those aren't the choices though.

Would you give your life so that the economy would do well?

ShyMets

SusieBlue wrote: »

The virtue signalling is real with this one.
Just know that your noble quest to ‘save lives’ will cause just as many other preventable deaths from those who missed cancer screenings, increased hospital waiting lists, reduced public funding for the health budget and more suicides.
Obviously those lives don’t matter to you, and that’s incredibly selfish.

I think our new friend might be a re-reg. Expect their posts to get more and more provocative

weldoninhio

Libski wrote: »

Are you saying that money is more important than saving lives?

How can you save someone who is at the end of their life? Immortality does not exist. People die.

Libski

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Never has someone gone on my ignore list so quickly... prob a Boards record and all. With some posters, you know very early on its not worth engaging.

If you shut out discussion, you shut out an opposing point of view. If you're not willing to discuss your views - and that's how it appears - then it appears that you're only comfortable talking to those who agree - those who don't challenge your view.

Don't you like discussion? If not, why are you here?

weldoninhio

Libski wrote: »

Would you give your life so that the economy would do well?

What has that got to do with Covid? Or the relaxation of restrictions? :rolleyes:

Libski

SusieBlue wrote: »

The virtue signalling is real with this one.
Just know that your noble quest to ‘save lives’ will cause just as many other preventable deaths from those who missed cancer screenings, increased hospital waiting lists, reduced public funding for the health budget and more suicides.
Obviously those lives don’t matter to you, and that’s incredibly selfish.

How would you respond to a pandemic?