Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 13-10-2020 07:59AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

The 'relaxed' thing would be temporary. For a certain period of time people would live as 'relaxed' persons. I don't know where they'd live, but the point is that they'd be free from new normal and the rest of the population would no longer have to resent them for being opposed to new normal. Both parties would be happy.

But we can't apply it to the entire country because most people wouldn't want to register as 'relaxed'. They prefer the new normal. So you'd have to keep the 'relaxed' and 'non-relaxed' people apart.

You've nailed the problem - where would people live? It's totally unworkable.

weldoninhio · 13-10-2020 08:00AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

It'd be difficult. It'd be far easier if the 'non-relaxed' people would accept living among the 'relaxed' people. Those registered as 'relaxed' could wear a badge to say they're relaxed. They'd agree not to seek medical care if they got the virus and to accept risk as part and parcel of everyday life.

But if that wouldn't work then you could set up a state for the 'relaxed' people. The alternative is making possibly more than a million people endure tyranny and misery.

There is nothing in Hitchens plan about not seeking treatment, yet you keep repeating it.

bucketybuck · 13-10-2020 08:14AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

I think it's a great idea.

No, its a really stupid idea that completely ignores reality.

It doesn't even deserve a rebuttal but I will point out one thing about human nature.

Sign all the ****ing waivers you want, but if you end up being one of the unlucky few who suffers negative effects from covid, when you come to the point that you cannot breathe you are going to ask for help and there is no doubt that you will get that help.

Hell, you just need to look at America who already have a version of this with their health insurance system.

I thought zero covid was the least well thought out idea in this thread but this "relaxed" thing is pure nonsense.

walus wrote: »

hmmm, could you tell me when, after having a couple of hundred new covid cases for the past 6 weeks, we can expect the "deaths to catch up"?

Good luck, I am still waiting on an answer to this question.

xl500 · 13-10-2020 08:20AM

Did Jim Mc Guinness break restrictions when he attended Galway training session did he travel from Donegal a Covid hotspot ???

13-10-2020 08:38AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

You failed to realize he was talking about psychological damage. Some people got mentally damaged to the extent that they use mask even while outdoors or in their own house. Other people got mentally damaged that they see so much of danger they call for closing down borders.
A lot of people are afraid of something which is not going to happen. That is the worst part of it.

No, there is no damage psychological or other wise from wearing a piece of cloth on your face. Next I’ll be told wearing a scarf causes damage.

Also we should be wearing masks outdoors in busy places like streets or busy walkways in parks etc or anywhere else there you are constantly close to other people.

Ginger n Lemon · 13-10-2020 08:54AM

'It won't be possible to protect nursing homes': CMO warns of widespread community transmission

https://www.thejournal.ie/community-transmission-5231172-Oct2020/

They are preparing us mentally for their shortcomings in protecting the elderly. Thats why Tony came back, he has this amazing ability to deflect blame.

Penfailed · 13-10-2020 08:57AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

No, there is no damage psychological or other wise from wearing a piece of cloth on your face. Next I’ll be told wearing a scarf causes damage.

Also we should be wearing masks outdoors in busy places like streets or busy walkways in parks etc or anywhere else there you are constantly close to other people.

Regarding the emboldened text...why? There is no evidence of transmission in an outdoor environment. This is why pubs and restaurants can currently operate outdoors.

Dionaibh · 13-10-2020 09:02AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

There is nothing in Hitchens plan about not seeking treatment, yet you keep repeating it.

Actually, having just reread what he wrote, you're right.

But we could tweak it a bit and say that people wouldn't seek treatment.

Dionaibh · 13-10-2020 09:03AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

No, there is no damage psychological or other wise from wearing a piece of cloth on your face. Next I’ll be told wearing a scarf causes damage.

Also we should be wearing masks outdoors in busy places like streets or busy walkways in parks etc or anywhere else there you are constantly close to other people.

I think we could be looking at the worst psychological damage in human history. Children wearing those rags, it's just awful.

That's what they're doing in Spain and France and their (meaningless) case numbers are through the roof.

Ginger n Lemon · 13-10-2020 09:03AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

There is nothing in Hitchens plan about not seeking treatment, yet you keep repeating it.

Dionaibh wrote: »

Actually, having just reread what he wrote, you're right.

But we could tweak it a bit and say that people wouldn't seek treatment.

Thats implied in his plan.

You are talking about IFR of 0.14% to 0.25%.

AKA you have 99.75% or 99.86% chance of survival. Barely worth disclaiming "treatment"

Dionaibh · 13-10-2020 09:05AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, its a really stupid idea that completely ignores reality.

It doesn't even deserve a rebuttal but I will point out one thing about human nature.

Sign all the ****ing waivers you want, but if you end up being one of the unlucky few who suffers negative effects from covid, when you come to the point that you cannot breathe you are going to ask for help and there is no doubt that you will get that help.

Hell, you just need to look at America who already have a version of this with their health insurance system.

I thought zero covid was the least well thought out idea in this thread but this "relaxed" thing is pure nonsense.

Good luck, I am still waiting on an answer to this question.

But because the chances are so slim the 'relaxed' people would see it as a risk worth taking.

I think people who despair at the present tyranny and war against humanity would jump at the chance to register as 'relaxed'.

Dionaibh · 13-10-2020 09:06AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Thats implied in his plan.

You are talking about IFR of 0.14% to 0.25%.

AKA you have 99.75% or 99.86% chance of survival. Barely worth disclaiming "treatment"

Exactly, but to please the 'non-relaxed' people the 'relaxed' people would still sign a declaration saying they would not seek treatment.

gmisk · 13-10-2020 09:06AM

xl500 wrote: »

Did Jim Mc Guinness break restrictions when he attended Galway training session did he travel from Donegal a Covid hotspot ???

Elite sport? So I wouldn't think so

Dionaibh · 13-10-2020 09:08AM

Penfailed wrote: »

You've nailed the problem - where would people live? It's totally unworkable.

It's not really unworkable. Most people wouldn't want to register as 'relaxed' because they've swallowed the propaganda, so we're not talking about a large number of people. Just have a part of the country for 'relaxed' people. Provide temporary accommodation, have the bus drivers register as 'relaxed', the shop assistants etc.

ShyMets · 13-10-2020 09:09AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

As you keep reminding us, excuses excuses is all I’m seeing. I have given you solutions but you don’t want to hear them.

And I gave you the problems with your boarder solution but you clearly didn't want to hear them either

Dionaibh · 13-10-2020 09:11AM

sabat wrote: »

It's so fúcking insane. The man has zero qualifications or any kind of democratic mandate but he's being indulged like he's emperor of the world because he's rich. He and his wife genuinely deserve bullets for what they're doing.

But he's very clever. He controls most of the media through grants and donations: https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php

That's why you never read an article that's critical of him.

Dionaibh · 13-10-2020 09:12AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Hilarious!

What's so bad about the 'relaxed' idea? No one would be forced to register as 'relaxed'. At the moment, relaxed people are forced to endure tyranny. It's extremely cruel.

Libski · 13-10-2020 09:21AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

But because the chances are so slim the 'relaxed' people would see it as a risk worth taking.

I think people who despair at the present tyranny and war against humanity would jump at the chance to register as 'relaxed'.

Tyranny? What are you talking about?

Coybig_ · 13-10-2020 09:22AM

How reliable is this testing?

In one of the few scenarios where a person would be receiving multiple tests over the course of a few days - with Ireland football team, we have witnessed the following:

Person A tested: Negative, Positive, Negative in the space of 4 days.

Person B tested Positive, Negative, Positive in the space of 4 days.

I would imagine that the vast majority of the general population is getting tested once and done. And according to Dr Gillian de Gascun, only one in 500 should return a false positive.

Dionaibh · 13-10-2020 09:26AM

Libski wrote: »

Tyranny? What are you talking about?

A lot of people feel that what is going on is tyranny. Destroyed lives, livelihoods, mental health, businesses, a banjaxed economy, thousands of deaths from cancer in the future because of the obsession with COVID etc.

That's why the 'relaxed' idea urgently needs to be implemented.

Dionaibh · 13-10-2020 09:26AM

Coybig_ wrote: »

How reliable is this testing?

In one of the few scenarios where a person would be receiving multiple tests over the course of a few days - with Ireland football team, we have witnessed the following:

Person A tested: Negative, Positive, Negative in the space of 4 days.

Person B tested Positive, Negative, Positive in the space of 4 days.

I would imagine that the vast majority of the general population is getting tested once and done. And according to Dr Gillian de Gascun, only one in 500 should return a false positive.

The testing is a joke

Libski · 13-10-2020 09:28AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

A lot of people feel that what is going on is tyranny. Destroyed lives, livelihoods, mental health, businesses, a banjaxed economy, thousands of deaths from cancer in the future because of the obsession with COVID etc.

That's why the 'relaxed' idea urgently needs to be implemented.

Livelihood vs life? Which one is more important?

Penfailed · 13-10-2020 09:28AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

I think we could be looking at the worst psychological damage in human history. Children wearing those rags, it's just awful.

That's what they're doing in Spain and France and their (meaningless) case numbers are through the roof.

I know you are an anti-masker and an anti-vaxxer but you have no idea what the psychological damage (if any) will be. To say you think it could be the worst in human history...?! Really?

3xh · 13-10-2020 09:28AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

But he's very clever. He controls most of the media through grants and donations: https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php

That's why you never read an article that's critical of him.

Well that’s a surprise! Follow the money, as they say.

Just like Bezos investing in media, our own Denis and communicorp and so on. These smart investors don’t buy media companies to make money. Media is in decline. There must be another beneficial reason for people in business with lots of money to buy media outlets.......

bucketybuck · 13-10-2020 09:31AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

But because the chances are so slim the 'relaxed' people would see it as a risk worth taking.

I think people who despair at the present tyranny and war against humanity would jump at the chance to register as 'relaxed'.

Dionaibh wrote: »

Exactly, but to please the 'non-relaxed' people the 'relaxed' people would still sign a declaration saying they would not seek treatment.

You still aren't getting it.

Register all you want, sign as many declarations as you want, come the time when you are struggling to breath you or somebody close is going to call for an ambulance and that ambulance is going to come and help you.

That simple fact makes the entire "relaxed" plan completely and utterly meaningless.

uli84 · 13-10-2020 09:32AM

crazy as it is, I started following news from other countries to get some normality in my head. Poland for example ''When asked, among other things, whether we are facing a "slow, partial lockdown", Minister of Health replied that "no, we would not want a lockdown". He also noted that the lockdown in the first half of the year was necessary because "we did not know the threat at all".
- At the moment we recognize this threat a little better. Second, the costs of such a lockdown, it turns out, are much greater than its benefits, in the sense that the effects of the lockdown will prevent us from investing in health protection, the closure of the economy will be to the great detriment of hundreds of thousands of jobs, people's lives, and the financial capabilities of the Polish state, and therefore these arguments must be carefully balanced''

I bet the narrative would be similar here if that nonsensical NPHET wasn't created.

Dionaibh · 13-10-2020 09:32AM

Penfailed wrote: »

I know you are an anti-masker and an anti-vaxxer but you have no idea what the psychological damage (if any) will be. To say you think it could be the worst in human history...?! Really?

I'm not anti-vaccine. In fact, I have said that I'd take the Russian vaccine in the morning. I get vaccines, like most people do.

I just don't see how children will ever be able to recover from wearing one of those things for potentially years at school, not seeing their friends laugh and smile, not seeing the human face. As bad as the damage will be for adults, I genuinely believe it will be irreversible when it comes to children. Why I say it could be the worst n human history is because of the number of children involved. All across the world children are being forced to wear them.

gmisk · 13-10-2020 09:34AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

It's not really unworkable. Most people wouldn't want to register as 'relaxed' because they've swallowed the propaganda, so we're not talking about a large number of people. Just have a part of the country for 'relaxed' people. Provide temporary accommodation, have the bus drivers register as 'relaxed', the shop assistants etc.

You don't half read some utter nonsense on boards.ie but this kind of takes the biscuit.

Off with ya then buy a closed down butlins and turn it into your "relaxed" dream land. As long as the people in it agree not to leave and not clog up the hospitals I really couldn't care less.

Penfailed · 13-10-2020 09:34AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

It's not really unworkable. Most people wouldn't want to register as 'relaxed' because they've swallowed the propaganda, so we're not talking about a large number of people. Just have a part of the country for 'relaxed' people. Provide temporary accommodation, have the bus drivers register as 'relaxed', the shop assistants etc.

What part of the country? How many people? What form would the temporary accommodation take? Caravans? Would the bus drivers and shop assistants have to live in this 'commune'? How do you stock the shop? In order to stop a crossover of people, what precautions would have to be taken? You understand that the people in this commune would be treated as pariahs?

Beasty · 13-10-2020 09:35AM

Dionaibh wrote: »

I think we could be looking at the worst psychological damage in human history. Children wearing those rags, it's just awful.

That's what they're doing in Spain and France and their (meaningless) case numbers are through the roof.

The warnings about talking about masks, and indeed using derogatory terms to describe them, have not been heeded

You are now banned from posting in this thread again

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings