Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Spanish Eyes · 11-10-2020 09:14PM

I often wonder what the so called "planners" are doing, or have done so far.

I swear to God I will lose the plot if the INMO give out about trolleys and lack of beds and lack of staff AGAIN.

Those who shout the loudest are embedded into their Unions. Therein lie many problems over the years.

TYFYS is turning into work 24/7 FGS and get us out of this mess. But hey, it's the HSE and all those things only apply to the Private Health Sector.

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 09:16PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Would you have a link for this please?

It's this she's introducing here https://v-healthpassport.co.uk/

I read about it a few weeks ago, haven't really looked into it, just thinking though if she can get enough tests through and quick it could make a difference.

DeanAustin · 11-10-2020 09:17PM

Strumms wrote: »

Thing is, the business owners care not one fûck about the economy, simply their own balance sheets....and how the economy relates to that, their end.

If the government said to xx company in an industry currently restricted, they can open tomorrow.. I guarantee they couldn’t give a bôllocks about the economy, about their competitors not opening, they just want to make euros, if that means a few people got sick or worse... they couldn’t give a fûck....

Most people looking for a lockdown aren’t worried about strangers’ health, they’re just worried about their own health and their loved ones’ health. People are selfish and most look for what suits them best.

martingriff · 11-10-2020 09:17PM

Beasty wrote: »

Apparently they are currently not available "privately" and GPs and Pharmacy general supplies are "private"

I've had it for the past 3 years, but can't get one at present. May change, but I would understand them focussing on the elderly (well older than me anyway!) and those with other underlying issues. I don't think they have enough to give to everyone that wants one (heard 2m doses mentioned on the radio, but they are expecting a large upturn in demand this year)

EDIT: I think there's also a big push to get more healthcare workers vaccinated this year, given how even more critical they have become in the face of Covid-19

I got mine last Thursday from my local pharmacy and they had 5 more after me. Said they be getting a shipment next week always overbook and a number of people never come for it so it does not go to waste. I suppose once it is out of the fridge for x amount it is not viable

WoollyRedHat · 11-10-2020 09:17PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There was a major Norovirus outbreak in Dublin hospital recently, I heard from a staff member. It is extremely infectious & resistant to most ordinary disinfectant measures you might use at home. Although highly unpleasant & disabling whilst it lasts, it is fairly harmless to most folk, certainly compared to Covid, and its worst effects rarely last more than 2-3 days. It remains indeed tipsy for up to 2 weeks after the illness, which is why it spreads so easily. Personally any time I have got it has followed either using a public toilet or at sign of peace in church, and since I avoided those I have avoided that illness. Don't want to get that with the stoma above all things as its onset can confused with a serious blockage. Nobody with any vomiting or watery diarrhoea should go near a hospital unless they are also seriously ill.

I have known one or two friends to present themselves at an emergency department with a bout, especially if they haven't experienced the dramatic projectile vomiting before and imagine they're in some sort of serious trouble. The last thing hospitals need to be dealing with on top of Covid and influenza.

Interesting you mention toilets and their role in spreading virus from person to person. There are now posters in some public toilet cubicles that remind people to put the toilet lid before flushing, so as to avoid spreading potential virus particles into the air,which can go as high as 2 metres from bowl. But the problem is a lot of of places such as hospitals have no toilet lids. So particles of faeces are being propelled into the air that potentially contain viral pathogens that then linger in the air in a plume for some time.

This is something that seriously needs to be looked at with technological solutions offered. Even if you are wearing a mask, if you don't put lid down before you flush , microparticles of faeces can land on your mask which you might inadvertently touch later on. From a public health perspective, that is not good.

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 09:17PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

They'd need to give us decent broadband and access to tablets first.

I'll need another 3 wives and a deputy.

Strumms · 11-10-2020 09:18PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ya it seems to me the health system has been overwhelmed for the last 30 years so we are used to it.

Problem with the health services is there is so little investment in rehabilitation and rehabilitative treatments that so many people are inpatients in regular hospitals multiple times.

The NRH is by all accounts a great place but you need to be pretty bad to get in...borderline traumatic injury or illness.

The new rehab wing at Doolaghs Park is getting positive feedback but again, try getting funding to go there.

Wolf359f · 11-10-2020 09:19PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

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https://twitter.com/killianodris/status/1315088491848634368?s=20

tom1ie wrote: »

This is an interesting read but it shows how much parents and kids have been let down by the department of education.

Virus is clearly spreading in schools.
If schools close parents can’t work and kids can’t get an education.
Why has the department not looked into blended learning for primary students and alternating the days they go into the class.
One day a week in school and short tutorial videos by there teacher online for the other four days.
The classroom capacity is then reduced by 4/5 ths at anyone time.

We’ve had 6 months to get prepared for the second wave that as I stated before was always inevitable. (Cue the agent smith gifs)

Just to be a little more accurate as children were not being tested in any high number early on this year:
From 2 Aug - 24 Aug: 189 cases in kids 0-14 out of 1760 cases - 10.7%
From 24 Aug - 9 Oct: 1287 cases in kids 0-14 out of 12117 cases - 9.78%

Gods Gift · 11-10-2020 09:23PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

They'd need to give us decent broadband and access to tablets first.

Yes preferably xanax tablets.

martingriff · 11-10-2020 09:24PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I don't disagree with that at all in fairness. Just a fine balance needs to be struck, I have been critical of the government plenty this year but I do think the right decision was made last Sunday.

It may ultimately be a case that level 4 or 5 of the plan are deemed necessary at some point if things escalate further but they had to try and keep as many "non essential" workers in Employment as possible in my view for as long as possible. Fine balance to strike as I say, this part I don't envy anyone

Oh I am sorry if I made the expression that we need a Level 5 now I am not. However I do believe a Level 5 if it is to happen has to happen its needs to happen before it gets critical

s1ippy · 11-10-2020 09:25PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We should follow North Korea's track and trace policy :cool:

https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1315376749698592775

Track and trace - level: stealth assassain

Jim_Hodge · 11-10-2020 09:27PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'll need another 3 wives and a deputy.

A few people will need a yard for playtime. Many will want SNAs as well.

MerlinSouthDub · 11-10-2020 09:29PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Just to be a little more accurate as children were not being tested in any high number early on this year:
From 2 Aug - 24 Aug: 189 cases in kids 0-14 out of 1760 cases - 10.7%
From 24 Aug - 9 Oct: 1287 cases in kids 0-14 out of 12117 cases - 9.78%

Thanks - good to see no evidence of schools increasing spread in children.

Funsterdelux · 11-10-2020 09:30PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

They'd need to give us decent broadband and access to tablets first.

Interesting stat about eir's(eircom, telecom eireann, P&T)

Eir defends rural broadband roll-out despite uptake in under one-in-five homes

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30895397.html

I know it all depends on where one resides. They came about 500 metres up our road. Rural area. Theres many options for broadband, mobile broadband, wireless broadband even satellite.

WoollyRedHat · 11-10-2020 09:32PM

I see South Korea are easing restrictions again from tomorrow, due to low rates of virus transmission. Nightclubs, karaoke bars and buffets can re-open. Do they just really enjoy contact tracing and isolating?

Strangely door-to-door sales are considered more risky and remain banned. I think there may be ulterior motives at play here however lol.

11-10-2020 09:34PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Just to be a little more accurate as children were not being tested in any high number early on this year:
From 2 Aug - 24 Aug: 189 cases in kids 0-14 out of 1760 cases - 10.7%
From 24 Aug - 9 Oct: 1287 cases in kids 0-14 out of 12117 cases - 9.78%

It’s a common fault in data analysis. Compare two different data sets and treat them as a valid comparison. The analysis on the twitter thread completely ignores that fact that up until June feck all kids met the criteria for testing. None of these analyses compares August % to September when testing criteria was the same

Jim_Hodge · 11-10-2020 09:36PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Interesting stat about eir's(eircom, telecom eireann, P&T)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30895397.html

I know it all depends on where one resides. They came about 500 metres up our road. Rural area. Theres many options for broadband, mobile broadband, wireless broadband even satellite.

They stopped short of our parish and we have no mobile reception at home. There are many around here who just couldn't get online for school earlier in the year. It's further exasperated if Mam/Dad need(s) to work from home as well as a couple of kids logging in.

Wolf359f · 11-10-2020 09:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s a common fault in data analysis. Compare two different data sets and treat them as a valid comparison. The analysis on the twitter thread completely ignores that fact that up until June feck all kids met the criteria for testing. None of these analyses compares August % to September when testing criteria was the same

Does my head in. Even worse when people on twitter don't even check and just assume the tweet is accurate.
Twitter should flag that as misleading!
There's also the fact the positivity rate in schools was only 0.4% when they tested close contacts etc (I'm not sure it was serial testing)...

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 09:38PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Thanks - good to see no evidence of schools increasing spread in children.

Cough, Cough..

niallo27 · 11-10-2020 09:38PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I see South Korea are easing restrictions again from tomorrow, due to low rates of virus transmission. Nightclubs, karaoke bars and buffets can re-open. Do they just really enjoy contact tracing and isolating?

Strangely door-to-door sales are considered more risky and remain banned. I think there may be ulterior motives at play here however lol.

Having spent some time there they really need it, they work crazy hours so they party fairly hard. I see a few guys in suits unconscious on the ground from drink. People would fix them straight and they would be perfectly safe. I was in Seoul, I loved it there, they do like to drink.

Whelo79 · 11-10-2020 09:39PM

I found this video hugely informative about the current situation we are. Apologies if it has already been posted but it contains some really relevant information backed up by really excellent research.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=gJq8MBgYJ4Q

11-10-2020 09:40PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Interesting stat about eir's(eircom, telecom eireann, P&T)

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30895397.html

I know it all depends on where one resides. They came about 500 metres up our road. Rural area. Theres many options for broadband, mobile broadband, wireless broadband even satellite.

Satellite is a joke, so is mobile in most places as the network are over subscribed.
Wireless can be good, depends on the operator and can be affected by weather.
Fibre is the only real solution.

Doctors room ghost · 11-10-2020 09:41PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Who or what is Chanelle McCoy?

Ap mccoys wife.she was on dragon’s den and she runs several businesses in fitness and animal health products

MerlinSouthDub · 11-10-2020 09:42PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Cough, Cough..

Cough, cough, indeed. All that tells us is that the virus is in the community. We know that.

Funsterdelux · 11-10-2020 09:46PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Satellite is a joke, so is mobile in most places as the network are over subscribed.
Wireless can be good, depends on the operator and can be affected by weather.
Fibre is the only real solution.

Most people dont get enough fibre

Gods Gift · 11-10-2020 09:47PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Most people dont get enough fibre

I’m as regular as clockwork.

11-10-2020 09:48PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Cough, Cough..

Nasty cough there drunk, should isolate and get a test.

Cases in school does not equal spread in school. People catch it everywhere in society, including schools, but the fact is the rate in schools ages is lower than society as a whole, and the rate of positive tests following contact tracing in schools is lower than the rate in the community

WoollyRedHat · 11-10-2020 09:49PM

South Korea- A Covid-19 success story-
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/lessons-from-south-korea-on-how-to-manage-covid-11601044329

Interesting article, worth a read. You need to open it in incognito to access it. The nonmedical facilities serving as Covid centres that SK set up makes a lot of sense and is something that should be looked at here for second wave. Ask MNC's and irish companies with available facilities to help roll out similar here

Funsterdelux · 11-10-2020 09:50PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

I’m as regular as clockwork.

A stopped clock is right at least once a day, unless its a battery powered digital one.

Jim_Hodge · 11-10-2020 09:52PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Cough, Cough..

I don't know one way or the other but that just shows people in schools had covid and not that the school contributed to them getting it.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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