Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Beasty · 11-10-2020 08:45PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Are you sure the flu vaccine is being rationed to those most at risk?
I thought the health authorities want a big uptake of the flu vaccine this year in case someone comes down with both flu and covid together.
Australia went down the road of a public health campaign encouraging flu vaccines during their winter.

Apparently they are currently not available "privately" and GPs and Pharmacy general supplies are "private"

I've had it for the past 3 years, but can't get one at present. May change, but I would understand them focussing on the elderly (well older than me anyway!) and those with other underlying issues. I don't think they have enough to give to everyone that wants one (heard 2m doses mentioned on the radio, but they are expecting a large upturn in demand this year)

EDIT: I think there's also a big push to get more healthcare workers vaccinated this year, given how even more critical they have become in the face of Covid-19

martingriff · 11-10-2020 08:45PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

So from what I remember we never had ever critical care bed available in the Country occupied in the country back in April. I do remember the Mater reporting they were full alright but I think nationwide there was space to accommodate people.

Basically, looking at the HSE report and the small number of available critical care beds would suggest being overwhelmed is imminent but doesn't take into account the surge capacity. And I know if that continues to escalate it will greatly impinge on other healthcare services being provided, but just think it's not accurate to use that number as a point to say we are on the brink.

This would be my point. We can not let this happen people need to be tested for cancers and other diseases at a good rate

Polar101 · 11-10-2020 08:45PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Its being rationed because we didn't order enough and are now short of flu vaccines

I'd assume other countries want more of the vaccine as well, I wonder if it is a supply issue rather than poor planning? If it's obvious to everyone here that the uptake will be higher this year, you'd think the people placing the orders can figure it out too.

Strumms · 11-10-2020 08:46PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

This whole thing is just a mess

Economy Vs people's health

Thing is, the business owners care not one fûck about the economy, simply their own balance sheets....and how the economy relates to that, their end.

If the government said to xx company in an industry currently restricted, they can open tomorrow.. I guarantee they couldn’t give a bôllocks about the economy, about their competitors not opening, they just want to make euros, if that means a few people got sick or worse... they couldn’t give a fûck....

CIARAN_BOYLE · 11-10-2020 08:47PM

Will Yam wrote: »

It’s the Covid official website. Covid 19 data hub.

Yesterday they reported 1992 over 65s hospitalised. Today it’s 2204. Both figures are cumulative since March. So 2204 - 1992 = 212 in one day.

But TOTAL cases hospitalised today is 201.

So how can there be 212 extra oldies in hospital when the total extra is only 201?

I may be reading the numbers wrong, but I don’t think so.

I can't see yesterday's 1992. I can tell you that the figure of 2204 is upto Friday and doesn't include today or yesterday. There was a total of 18 admissions to hospital today with covid.

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 08:47PM

martingriff wrote: »

I am sure there were people in ICU before and during Covid other illnesses and the like did not just stop. What is your point. If they get overwhelmed they get overwhelmed. They will also want to make sure that those people do not get Covid as more then likely in there condition it would not be good to get it.

As for your other questions I do not know but again why would it matter

Yes there were, but a lot less so as only emergencies were dealt with .
None elective as all planned surgery and treatment was cancelled.
Also ICU and wards were split between Covid and non Covid care .
At present the health services are trying to keep all care going , as much as safely possible , hence the squeeze as numbers climb.

Str8outtaWuhan · 11-10-2020 08:49PM

Beasty wrote: »

Apparently they are currently not available "privately" and GPs and Pharmacy general supplies are "private"

I've had it for the past 3 years, but can't get one at present. May change, but I would understand them focussing on the elderly (well older than me anyway!) and those with other underlying issues. I don't think they have enough to give to everyone that wants one (heard 2m doses mentioned on the radio, but they are expecting a large upturn in demand this year)

Got it last week in local boots, booked and filled out the online form early sept, when i arrived expected to be told no as i'm not in a risk group but they gave it to me without any hint of rationing.

spookwoman · 11-10-2020 08:49PM

Beasty wrote: »

Apparently they are currently not available "privately" and GPs and Pharmacy general supplies are "private"

I've had it for the past 3 years, but can't get one at present. May change, but I would understand them focussing on the elderly (well older than me anyway!) and those with other underlying issues. I don't think they have enough to give to everyone that wants one (heard 2m doses mentioned on the radio, but they are expecting a large upturn in demand this year)

Called doc last week and getting mine on Monday same with father. I have autoimmune issues and he is elderly, mum would have gotten one as well except for tablets she is taking.

Tredstone · 11-10-2020 08:53PM

Is there any agreement between MM and Leo about public statements

I don't know if it's opportunism or what but they shouldn't be expressing such diverse views

Strumms · 11-10-2020 08:56PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

That makes sense, if it is as airborne as we are led to believe, I still don't understand how if it as contagious from surfaces as some say how every single person working in a supermarket has not had it. With or without masks every item that is bought is touched by the customer and the teller,multiple times, I often see the tellers having to take the customers phones to help them with the rewards card apps. It doesn't make sense.

Masks shields and gloves and aprons are being used where I shop.

It’s airborne and lives on surfaces but existing virus on food packing is encouraging Safefood saying...

https://easyfood.ie/articles/should-i-disinfect-my-groceries-heres-how-to-shop-safely/

Icyseanfitz · 11-10-2020 08:57PM

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https://twitter.com/killianodris/status/1315088491848634368?s=20

Doctors room ghost · 11-10-2020 08:58PM

Chanelle McCoy has a finger prick test out this week according to the Connacht tribune that tells if you have had Covid.
Anyone know anything about this and when it will be publicly available and cost.didnt mention these details in the article only saying it was out this week

Spanish Eyes · 11-10-2020 08:58PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I can see January being pretty grim. People won’t follow any restrictions at Christmas and we will see the fallout from that in January.

On the contrary, I think people will be very cautious.

This place is not representative of the majority really.

Tredstone · 11-10-2020 08:59PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

NI has the NHS test and trace and is in even worse state than us.

It's only twitter

Widdensushi · 11-10-2020 09:00PM

Strumms wrote: »

Masks shields and gloves and aprons are being used where I shop.

It’s airborne and lives on surfaces but existing virus on food packing is encouraging Safefood saying...

https://easyfood.ie/articles/should-i-disinfect-my-groceries-heres-how-to-shop-safely/

They are now, back in April none of the above, yet it wasn't happening, phones have more germs than anything, even with gloves people get itchy noses etc at some stage during their work.

Kermit.de.frog · 11-10-2020 09:02PM

We should follow North Korea's track and trace policy :cool:

https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1315376749698592775

niallo27 · 11-10-2020 09:02PM

People are so defensive about the icu numbers, my point is if we reach capacity it doesn't automatically mean doctors have to pick who lives or dies, elective surgery's will be cancelled like in March where we dealt with this with 5 times as many cases. Im not saying we may not need further restrictions im not saying we don't need to react now, I'm disputing the fact we are close to our health system collapsing.

mountgomery burns · 11-10-2020 09:03PM

martingriff wrote: »

This would be my point. We can not let this happen people need to be tested for cancers and other diseases at a good rate

I don't disagree with that at all in fairness. Just a fine balance needs to be struck, I have been critical of the government plenty this year but I do think the right decision was made last Sunday.

It may ultimately be a case that level 4 or 5 of the plan are deemed necessary at some point if things escalate further but they had to try and keep as many "non essential" workers in Employment as possible in my view for as long as possible. Fine balance to strike as I say, this part I don't envy anyone

tom1ie · 11-10-2020 09:05PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

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https://twitter.com/killianodris/status/1315088491848634368?s=20

This is an interesting read but it shows how much parents and kids have been let down by the department of education.

Virus is clearly spreading in schools.
If schools close parents can’t work and kids can’t get an education.
Why has the department not looked into blended learning for primary students and alternating the days they go into the class.
One day a week in school and short tutorial videos by there teacher online for the other four days.
The classroom capacity is then reduced by 4/5 ths at anyone time.

We’ve had 6 months to get prepared for the second wave that as I stated before was always inevitable. (Cue the agent smith gifs)

Miike · 11-10-2020 09:05PM

Tredstone wrote: »

Is there any agreement between MM and Leo about public statements

I don't know if it's opportunism or what but they shouldn't be expressing such diverse views

It's really frightful actually, and is doing untold damage to public perceptions. I made a post about it earlier but the damage that these disconnected messages do is terrifying.

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 09:05PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Chanelle McCoy has a finger prick test out this week according to the Connacht tribune that tells if you have had Covid.
Anyone know anything about this and when it will be publicly available and cost.didnt mention these details in the article only saying it was out this week

It's an antibody test they use in a few different countries, it's good for a few weeks, she didn't invent it, it's more of a distribution contact she's after getting. It comes with a digital app that gives you a licence to do god knows what for 3 weeks, maybe you don't need to wear a mask or can travel across the county border.
I'm not convinced it's the game changer we need, might be good for a two week holiday in the sun.

Icyseanfitz · 11-10-2020 09:08PM

tom1ie wrote: »

This is an interesting read but it shows how much parents and kids have been let down by the department of education.

Virus is clearly spreading in schools.
If schools close parents can’t work and kids can’t get an education.
Why has the department not looked into blended learning for primary students and alternating the days they go into the class.
One day a week in school and short tutorial videos by there teacher online for the other four days.
The classroom capacity is then reduced by 4/5 ths at anyone time.

We’ve had 6 months to get prepared for the second wave that as I stated before was always inevitable. (Cue the agent smith gifs)

Completely agree with you, a blended approach should have been there right from the reopening, department are useless

tom1ie · 11-10-2020 09:08PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Chanelle McCoy has a finger prick test out this week according to the Connacht tribune that tells if you have had Covid.
Anyone know anything about this and when it will be publicly available and cost.didnt mention these details in the article only saying it was out this week

Who or what is Chanelle McCoy?

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 09:09PM

niallo27 wrote: »

People are so defensive about the icu numbers, my point is if we reach capacity it doesn't automatically mean doctors have to pick who lives or dies, elective surgery's will be cancelled like in March where we dealt with this with 5 times as many cases. Im not saying we may not need further restrictions im not saying we don't need to react now, I'm disputing the fact we are close to our health system collapsing.

We've 850,000 waiting to get into hospital at the moment, this time last year we had 11,500 people on trolleys, were no where near normal when it comes to hospital numbers.
Your correct it's not going to fall over. It's in one hell of a mess and it's didn't start with Covid though.

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 09:10PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Who or what is Chanelle McCoy?

Good looking one from Dragons Den.

tom1ie · 11-10-2020 09:10PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Completely agree with you, a blended approach should have been there right from the reopening, department are useless

What’s really pissing me off is the issue isn’t being addressed in the media?
There needs to be massive pressure put on the department to introduce blended learning by the media plus teaching unions plus parent associations.

niallo27 · 11-10-2020 09:11PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We've 850,000 waiting to get into hospital at the moment, this time last year we had 11,500 people on trolleys, were no where near normal when it comes to hospital numbers.
Your correct were no where near it collapsing. It's in one hell of a mess and it's didn't start with Covid though.

Ya it seems to me the health system has been overwhelmed for the last 30 years so we are used to it.

Professor Moriarty · 11-10-2020 09:13PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We've 850,000 waiting to get into hospital at the moment, this time last year we had 11,500 people on trolleys, were no where near normal when it comes to hospital numbers.
Your correct it's not going to fall over. It's in one hell of a mess and it's didn't start with Covid though.

Would you have a link for this please?

Funsterdelux · 11-10-2020 09:13PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

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https://twitter.com/killianodris/status/1315088491848634368?s=20

Colorado Schools go outside

Time to think outside the box(school box)

Jim_Hodge · 11-10-2020 09:13PM

tom1ie wrote: »

What’s really pissing me off is the issue isn’t being addressed in the media?
There needs to be massive pressure put on the department to introduce blended learning by the media plus teaching unions plus parent associations.

They'd need to give us decent broadband and access to tablets first.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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