Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Graces7 · 11-10-2020 11:59AM

tigger123 wrote: »

WHAT HAVE NPHET DONE TO IMPROVE MY BROADBAND CONNECTION?!

Pllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeas don't shout! My hearing aid just exploded!

bennyl10 · 11-10-2020 12:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like National L3 was not a moment to soon. Still remains to be seen was Dublin L3 enough. Next 7 days will give us the answer.

With the talk of lockdown as soon as this week, it certainly doesn't inspire confidence in L3 working nationally,

Case numbers havent dropped all that much in dublin either, on a day by day , over the past 14 is that decline because the rest of the country has risen at such a high rate?

caveat emptor · 11-10-2020 12:02PM

Strumms wrote: »

We might have 5 free beds in drogheda NOW, at 11.55 on Sunday 11/10.

At 16.10 a car crash, a serious car crash, one incident, two cars, 5 people, where do they go ?

If we have free beds ? BRILLIANT they are ready and available for use. To help and support the taxpayers here who WILL need those beds in the coming days.

Covid is happening, so are car crashes, heart attacks, strokes, etc... to be fûcking away our bed availability and treatments to benefit those from outside the state is madness, cuckoo virtue signaling of the highest order, pure crap.

Is there not a large proportion of the north who are citizens of the republic. We can’t all claim to wear the green jersey, fvck the brits then refuse treatment to our citizens when the **** hits the fan.

Does anyone remember the good Friday agreement?

The HorsesMouth · 11-10-2020 12:05PM

Strumms wrote: »

We might have 5 free beds in drogheda NOW, at 11.55 on Sunday 11/10.

At 16.10 a car crash, a serious car crash, one incident, two cars, 5 people, where do they go ?

If we have free beds ? BRILLIANT they are ready and available for use. To help and support the taxpayers here who WILL need those beds in the coming days.

Covid is happening, so are car crashes, heart attacks, strokes, etc... to be fûcking away our bed availability and treatments to benefit those from outside the state is madness, cuckoo virtue signaling of the highest order, pure crap.

What are you on about? Cuckoo virtue signaling....to save a life? No sorry..that is pure crap. I was giving an example of how the state might intervene IF hospitals were to get overwhelmed in the North.
Whoever is in charge of the ICU bed situation would make a call on it but I would imagine..if we had capacity for it..they would accept such a patient. It's not ****ing virtue signalling..it's how states and countries work together. Same as, obviously on a less serious scale, that German labs take our tests. We don't have capacity so we send it out to another that does.

11-10-2020 12:09PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

With the talk of lockdown as soon as this week, it certainly doesn't inspire confidence in L3 working nationally,

Case numbers havent dropped all that much in dublin either, on a day by day , over the past 14 is that decline because the rest of the country has risen at such a high rate?

Its the growth that has stopped in Dublin. Ideally we would see that number drop to less that 0.9 however, and until it does its a knife edge situation. A specific, planned, time limited "lockdown may be appropriate to drive the growth rate lower and give us breathing space. Say announce from the 25th for example the will be a National lockdown for two weeks, and two weeks only. We then reopen at level 2/3 depending on the situation at the time, but would have probably bought ourselves 2-3 months of relative stability.

Away With The Fairies · 11-10-2020 12:10PM

If we're talking about helping those in Northern Ireland with hospitalisation, can we have an all Ireland approach and go for zero covid?

Antares35 · 11-10-2020 12:10PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Big uptake hopefully.

Get my own on Tuesday, our workplace offers it every year with the pharmacy around the corner, no reason not to get it.

Can we avail of it in a pharmacy or do we need to see GP? I was always given it in my old job, and last year was at risk group so got it in pharmacy, not sure what to do this year

440Hertz · 11-10-2020 12:13PM

Antares35 wrote: »

Can we avail of it in a pharmacy or do we need to see GP? I was always given it in my old job, and last year was at risk group so got it in pharmacy, not sure what to do this year

You can get flu vaccines at the pharmacy. If you’re outside the risk groups, there’s a fee, but it’s not they much.

I was booked in for one on the 14th but there’s a global shortage of flu vaccine now, so it’s been pushed out to first few days of November.

Strumms · 11-10-2020 12:14PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Is there not a large proportion of the north who are citizens of the republic. We can’t all claim to wear the green jersey, fvck the brits then refuse treatment to our citizens when the **** hits the fan.

Does anyone remember the good Friday agreement?

Are they paying for the running of the hospitals ? They are not. So , by virtue of having the ‘availability’ of a passport with a harp on it, should they get to rock up here, skip into a hospital ward and demand treatment ahead of people here ? Not in my vision of fairness.

Gods Gift · 11-10-2020 12:17PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Is there not a large proportion of the north who are citizens of the republic. We can’t all claim to wear the green jersey, fvck the brits then refuse treatment to our citizens when the **** hits the fan.

Does anyone remember the good Friday agreement?

The brits forgot about the GA recently.

Drumpot · 11-10-2020 12:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like National L3 was not a moment to soon. Still remains to be seen was Dublin L3 enough. Next 7 days will give us the answer.

Interesting to wonder if government would of acted so quickly to moved nationally to level 3 had NEPHET not pushed for 5. People keep talking about job losses and companies being shut down if we had gone straight to level 5, well plenty have been shut and affected badly by level 3.

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 12:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

If we're talking about helping those in Northern Ireland with hospitalisation, can we have an all Ireland approach and go for zero covid?

Who is talking about that? I've seen nothing online about it bar one post here. We wouldn't have the capacity to take in patients for NI as it stands.

Also you know as well as the rest of us that won't happen. NI look to GB plain and simple. Its been discussed multiple times how it wouldn't work

caveat emptor · 11-10-2020 12:21PM

Strumms wrote: »

Are they paying for the running of the hospitals ? They are not. So , by virtue of having the ‘availability’ of a passport with a harp on it, should they get to rock up here, skip into a hospital ward and demand treatment ahead of people here ? Not in my vision of fairness.

Fair has nothing to do with. That's exactly what they'll do and I don't blame them. Perhaps we should not give out passports like gold stars. Lots of people in the north work in the south so pay taxes.

What we are describing is a humanitarian crisis. I for one would help my neighbour if I could so I assume our government would do the same.
Maybe I'm naive.

caveat emptor · 11-10-2020 12:23PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Who is talking about that? I've seen nothing online about it bar one post here.

Also you know as well as the rest of us that won't happen. NI look to GB plain and simple. Its been discussed multiple times how it wouldn't work

Here are some other things that have been discussed.....

it's not airborne
there won't be a second wave
people can't catch it in pubs
it's a casedemic
hospitalisations won't rise

I could go on.

marno21 · 11-10-2020 12:27PM

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1315245765468524549

Maybe we might get the message in this country as to the primary outcome from a lockdown this time around instead of casually expecting things not to go wrong the next time.

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 12:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here are some other things that have been discussed.....
it's not airborne

there won't be a second wave

people can't catch it in pubs

it's a casedemic

hospitalisations won't rise

I could go on.

Again what has that got to do with us taking in paitents from NI. I'll stick to that topic and not diverge to others.

I'd be all for it but the capacity just isn't there for ourselves to start with.

Talks of a nightingale hospital being set up in Belfast at the moment.

Happydays2020 · 11-10-2020 12:27PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

What are you on about? Cuckoo virtue signaling....to save a life? No sorry..that is pure crap. I was giving an example of how the state might intervene IF hospitals were to get overwhelmed in the North.
Whoever is in charge of the ICU bed situation would make a call on it but I would imagine..if we had capacity for it..they would accept such a patient. It's not ****ing virtue signalling..it's how states and countries work together. Same as, obviously on a less serious scale, that German labs take our tests. We don't have capacity so we send it out to another that does.

Absolutely. If we have capacity we should take people in. I would be disgusted if we did not.

Strumms · 11-10-2020 12:27PM

We have had issues with capacity here so imagine opening up our health services overnight to the almost 1.9 million people living in the 6 counties ?

There has the potential to be an extra up to 38/39 % demand on our overburdened and over capacity health services, on health facilities and healthcare PEOPLE. Anyone making that call would need shooting out of a cannon. Id quite gladly light the match.

Deeper Blue · 11-10-2020 12:28PM

It's been explained a million times why zero covid won't work here, why is it still being mentioned by the same posters? Are they being deliberately obtuse or what?

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 12:28PM

marno21 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1315245765468524549

Maybe we might get the message in this country as to the primary outcome from a lockdown this time around instead of casually expecting things not to go wrong the next time.

Well seeing as we were told first time round that it was indeed to give the health service time to scale up and become more prepared, that just didn't happen at all, wouldn't expect it to this time around either

Strumms · 11-10-2020 12:28PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Fair has nothing to do with. That's exactly what they'll do and I don't blame them. Perhaps we should not give out passports like gold stars. Lots of people in the north work in the south so pay taxes.

What we are describing is a humanitarian crisis. I for one would help my neighbour if I could so I assume our government would do the same.
Maybe I'm naive.

If we had capacity to help while keeping the show on the road for our folks, certainly, we simply, don’t.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 11-10-2020 12:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Where is this reported?

It was discussed by Dr Ronan Glynn and Professor Brian Nolan in a Nphet press conference recently.

khalessi · 11-10-2020 12:29PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well seeing as we were told first time round that it was indeed to give the health service time to scale up and become more prepared, that just didn't happen at all, wouldn't expect it to this time around either

Incompetent governments, 7 months to upscale the hospitals and schools and nothing done.

Always_Running · 11-10-2020 12:30PM

Even some journalists are picking up on the fact that Dublin are showing signs of progress under level 3 restrictions and it takes weeks not days for that to happen.

Icyseanfitz · 11-10-2020 12:32PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Even some journalists are picking up on the fact that Dublin are showing signs of progress under level 3 restrictions and it takes weeks not days for that to happen.

Id give it another 2 weeks in Dublin before declaring victory

caveat emptor · 11-10-2020 12:33PM

El Sueño wrote: »

It's been explained a million times why zero covid won't work here, why is it still being mentioned by the same posters? Are they being deliberately obtuse or what?

The only people who have explained this are those that would be adversely affected from such a decision. Michael O'Leary et al are the main dissenters and as we know they have deep pockets. Trying to say 'it's being explained" is just a fast one to rubbish the argument without actually discussing the cost benefit.

I'm getting sick of being locked down and being blamed for spreading it. Government needs to be held to account at some stage.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 11-10-2020 12:33PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Absolutely. If we have capacity we should take people in. I would be disgusted if we did not.

What type of capacity? Our health service is pretty close to shutting down non covid work at the moment. Hospitals in Cavan and Limerick have shut down electivd covid work recently (Limerick may have reopened elective work I am unsure).

Would you support the cancellation of knee and hip replacements to make capacity for people from NI. Blood tests? Cancer screenings?

Cancelled non covid work is as big a threat to our public health as covid cases.

If we do take any Northern cases I would hope it is only as part of deal whereby Northern Ireland agree to follow our lead in terms of restrictions.

podgeandrodge · 11-10-2020 12:34PM

xvril wrote: »

WHO are now saying dont use lockdowns I see.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-world-health-organisation-backflips-on-virus-stance-by-condemning-lockdowns/DQMBCUNNRCHCBLCITIMKOYXLRU/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1602404342

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

What exactly are the WHO suggesting a country such as Ireland with the meger hospital capacity do instead?

"We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus," Dr Nabarro told The Spectator.

"The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we'd rather not do it."

Dr Nabarro's main criticism of lockdowns involved the global impact, explaining how poorer economies that had been indirectly affected.

"Just look at what's happened to the tourism industry in the Caribbean, for example, or in the Pacific because people aren't taking their holidays," he said.

"Look what's happened to smallholder farmers all over the world. … Look what's happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition.

"Melbourne's lockdown has been hailed as one of the strictest and longest in the world. In Spain's lockdown in March, people weren't allowed to leave the house unless it was to walk their pet. In China, authorities welded doors shut to stop people from leaving their homes. The WHO thinks these steps were largely unnecessary.

Instead, Dr Nabarro is advocating for a new approach to containing the virus.

"And so, we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method. Develop better systems for doing it. Work together and learn from each other."

His message is timely. In a world first, a number of health experts from all over the world came together calling for an end to coronavirus lockdowns earlier this week.

They created a petition, called the Great Barrington Declaration, which said that lockdowns were doing "irreparable damage."

"As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists, we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection," read the petition.

"Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health."

The petition has had 12,000 signatures so far.

It was authored by Sunetra Gupta of the University of Oxford, Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, and Martin Kulldorff of Harvard University.

When asked about the petition, Dr Nabarro had only good things to say. "Really important point by Professor Gupta," he said.

drunkmonkey · 11-10-2020 12:35PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

There's a 1.2% or so rate of low positives recently. These aren't included in the daily case numbers are retested. 0.8% turn out to be false positives and 0.4% turn out to be actual positives.

0.8% rate of false positives if we're testing 19,000 a day means we have 152 false positives a day. That's 152 red herrings were wasting time contact tracing per day. Some are testing positive for RNA they had months ago, then we're contact tracing them as well, pretty much waste of time testing a lot of people.

podgeandrodge · 11-10-2020 12:35PM

hmmm wrote: »

Hopefully.

With what we know about the virus & the situations it spreads rapidly in (indoor, lots of people talking, poor ventilation) we've closed most of these venues. 30 people aren't getting infected at a time in a clothes shop or a hardware store, so shutting them is going to put thousands out of work with little impact on the virus spread.

The two big indoor things left in my opinion are public transport and schools. And while we are making the right choice by trying to keep schools open, I think they should be next in line if we need more measures.

I don't know any in my circle currently taking public transport or with kids at school. I don't know anyone that has got Covid either yet

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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