Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Kermit.de.frog · 11-10-2020 12:28AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315066846022905859

On Florida - this is incredibly reckless and dangerous behaviour in a retirement village of all places.

https://twitter.com/Josiensor/status/1315002123134930945

And Trump is holding a rally in the state on Monday.

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 12:30AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

My brother lives in southern Germany with his wife. They, nor anyone they know in the city, have been infected.

Clusters are dealt with very simply - the establishment/type of venue is named, people are told to cop on.
On the spot fine if you're not wearing a mask (albeit they have the Ordnungsamp (Order Police) to enforce their rules) in a shop/on a busy street.
The city of almost 300,000 people has about 10 cases per day, max.
They'll never, ever be in lockdown again.

This..is what is needed here .
Enforcement of masks and regulations .
But are the Germans generally better obeying rules than we are , do you think?

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 12:34AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

With masks, distancing and hygiene, covid cases shouldn't be rising? But they are.

Covid is more transmissible than flu to start with, so let's not start to compare the two.

There shouldn't be anywhere near a normal flu season in my opinion, the use of masks alone should ensure that.

tom1ie · 11-10-2020 12:34AM

hmmm wrote: »

There's not much point us shifting to Level 5 and closing lots of retail and laying off hundreds of thousands if that's not causing the spread. I see a lot of people saying "oh we should go to level 5" as if it's a magic bullet.

Schools are, unfortunately, the obvious big ticket item which remains open. I'd shut them well before I'd move to Level 4 or 5.

If you shut the schools you inadvertently stop parents going to work and thus stop there earning potential etc etc.
You may aswell be at level 5 in that case.

polesheep · 11-10-2020 12:34AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Overpopulation is the biggest problem

The elephant in the room. We are the planet's Covid.

polesheep · 11-10-2020 12:35AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Being fit and healthy isn't stopping people getting covid and having lasting respiratory issues.

It is, but perhaps not all people.

Charles Babbage · 11-10-2020 12:38AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

As referenced earlier the numbers in Cavan hospital are indeed related to an outbreak in Cavan hospital.

Some wards are closed and some elective surgery cancelled.

Urgent cases only being admitted

That's problem, a few of these instances in health facilities and your capacity is gone very quickly.

You often hear "protect the vulnerable and let people live" and such like simplistic nonsense, but that is a bit like saying "let the forest fire burn and hose down the houses". Things work well enough for a while but the problem breaks through the barrier and you are in trouble.

hmmm · 11-10-2020 12:39AM

tom1ie wrote: »

If you shut the schools you inadvertently stop parents going to work and thus stop there earning potential etc etc.
You may aswell be at level 5 in that case.

I think everyone appreciates the impact of closing schools.

But I don't see a benefit to closing things just for the sake of closing things. If workplaces remain open with limited impact on the numbers, then why wouldn't we do that? Not everyone who works in retail has children or needs to mind kids. I'm sure employers would prefer to find some way to accommodate workers who need childcare than to have their entire business shut down.

polesheep · 11-10-2020 12:39AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

I'd say more to do with our ever expanding horizons into the wild and the biodiversity crisis.

Agree, so it's overpopulation.

Away With The Fairies · 11-10-2020 12:40AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Covid is more transmissible than flu to start with, so let's not start to compare the two.

There shouldn't be anywhere near a normal flu season in my opinion, the use of masks alone should ensure that.

I hope you're right.

My housemate had a cold last week. I kept my distance and opened windows in the house and I didn't pick up a cold from them. So measures do work with colds as well.

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 12:42AM

hmmm wrote: »

Hopefully.

With what we know about the virus & the situations it spreads rapidly in (indoor, lots of people talking, poor ventilation) we've closed most of these venues. 30 people aren't getting infected at a time in a clothes shop or a hardware store, so shutting them is going to put thousands out of work with little impact on the virus spread.

The two big indoor things left in my opinion are public transport and schools. And while we are making the right choice by trying to keep schools open, I think they should be next in line if we need more measures.

Yes.
Dublin Citycentre is devastated already , shops half empty or closed, restaurants similar or maxed out with a few people sitting outside in the rain , shutting early . Very depressing

All will be closed long before a lockdown at this rate .
I have found buses good with all wearing masks .
I believe the trains at peak have not been so good , crowded , but that's just hearsay as I don't use them.
I hope we can stay at level 3 until it settles and then go back to 2 etc , but pubs are the problem then .
Restaurants were never at fault and gov should give up this ridiculous food pub label , unless they can enforce it properly .

speckle · 11-10-2020 12:42AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315066846022905859

On Florida - this is incredibly reckless and dangerous behaviour in a retirement village of all places.

https://twitter.com/Josiensor/status/1315002123134930945

And Trump is holding a rally in the state on Monday.

Florida has been really bad regarding witholding case information right the way back to February.

tom1ie · 11-10-2020 12:44AM

hmmm wrote: »

I think everyone appreciates the impact of closing schools.

But I don't see a benefit to closing things just for the sake of closing things. If workplaces remain open with limited impact on the numbers, then why wouldn't we do that? Not everyone who works in retail has children or needs to mind kids. I'm sure employers would prefer to find some way to accommodate workers who need childcare than to have their entire business shut down.

It’s be interesting to know what the breakdown is in terms of how many people in the workforce have kids in school.
I’d say it’s a fairly high percentage no?
Again if you close schools what happens to the parents who have to go to work? They can’t leave the kids alone at home.

majcos · 11-10-2020 12:46AM

US2 wrote: »

The average ages of death From heart attack is 56 I think ?

The poster stated that the 51 year old died soley from covid so it's cleared up. Obesity isn't counted as an underlying condition, it should be. There's no healthy people getting sick from this nevermind dien.

Average age of covid deaths - 88

Life expectancy - 82

They got 6 bonus years .

Average age of first heart attack in males is 65 and 70 in women. Don’t have figures for average age of death from heart attack.

Elderly or those with significant co-morbid illnesses are not admitted to ICU but yet almost 500 people have ended up in ICU in Ireland. (Edit: age alone does not decide if receive ICU care but is a major factor taken into consideration)

332 healthcare workers with a median age of 46 have been hospitalized up to 28th September. 57 of them ended up in ICU with a median age of 51. All capable of working so have a reasonable degree of health. 8 healthcare workers have died in Ireland and 650 plus healthcare workers have died in the UK.

About 100 people in Ireland with no underlying health conditions have died from Covid-19. Of those with underlying health conditions who died, that includes underlying conditions such as hypertension which a quarter to a third of the adult population have, diabetes which about 10% of population have, and asthma which around 8% of population have. Cannot discount a death based on underlying conditions especially in developed countries.

As per HPSC reports, median age of Covid deaths is 83 with mean age of 81, not 88 so no ‘bonus six years’. 389 deaths occurred in those under 75.

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 12:47AM

testtech05 wrote: »

Sorry just 1 other point on this. When I said he was a very fit gentleman I meant he was into his running/cycling etc. Not even a little bit overweight not to mention obese....

While I agree obesity could well be a risk factor, as can be the case with a lot of conditions/diseases, it is just untrue to say "no healthy people are getting sick from this never mind dieing"

Tell that to my colleagues wife and family!!

Sorry for the loss of your colleague .
And sorry for the sxxx you're putting up with from that other poster !

Cilldara_2000 · 11-10-2020 12:49AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes.
Dublin Citycentre is devastated already , shops half empty or closed, restaurants similar or maxed out with a few people sitting outside in the rain , shutting early . Very depressing
All will be closed long before a lockdown at this rate .
I have found buses good with all wearing masks .
I believe the trains at peak have not been so good , crowded , but that's just hearsay as I don't use them.
I hope we can stay at level 3 until it settles and then go back to 2 etc , but pubs are the problem then .
Restaurants were never at fault and gov should give up this ridiculous food pub label , unless they can enforce it properly .

Perhaps not the thread for it but bear in mind that there has been a consistent message for years that Dublin City Council doesn't want you near the place if you're not within cycling or walking distance and they've gone into overdrive on this since covid. I feel sorry for the businesses and their employees depending on footfall that is likely to never return, covid or no covid.

polesheep · 11-10-2020 12:51AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

HSE is rotten at the top, the government have thrown money at them for years with feck all results.

It needs to be gutted.

I think it's more a case of it being rotten from the outside. Too much political interference.

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 12:52AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Covid is more transmissible than flu to start with, so let's not start to compare the two.

There shouldn't be anywhere near a normal flu season in my opinion, the use of masks alone should ensure that.

And we are all going to get our flu jabs

tom1ie · 11-10-2020 12:54AM

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Perhaps not the thread for it but bear in mind that there has been a consistent message for years that Dublin City Council doesn't want you near the place if you're not within cycling or walking distance and they've gone into overdrive on this since covid. I feel sorry for the businesses and their employees depending on footfall that is likely to never return, covid or no covid.

Or PT distance?
They just don’t want cars in the cc which is fair enough.
They are copying most other European major cities in this regard.
Anyway........... let’s get back on topic.

polesheep · 11-10-2020 12:55AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

That flies in the face of what Doctors and Nurses are telling me. What kind of 'healthcare worker' are you?

But it more or less aligns with what 'nonoperational' ( a verified consultant) said.

stephenjmcd · 11-10-2020 12:59AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

And we are all going to get our flu jabs

Big uptake hopefully.

Get my own on Tuesday, our workplace offers it every year with the pharmacy around the corner, no reason not to get it.

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 01:01AM

tom1ie wrote: »

It’s be interesting to know what the breakdown is in terms of how many people in the workforce have kids in school.
I’d say it’s a fairly high percentage no?
Again if you close schools what happens to the parents who have to go to work? They can’t leave the kids alone at home.

Do like UK and keep schools/ childcare for essential workers only . Or those that can't wfh .
Older kids could be at home on Google classroom.
I hate this but better than no school or no childcare for those that need it .

tom1ie · 11-10-2020 01:03AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Big uptake hopefully.

Get my own on Tuesday, our workplace offers it every year with the pharmacy around the corner, no reason not to get it.

Earliest I could get was nov 6th approx the same for the wife and the local pharmacy has said December for the kids to get it nasally.

speckle · 11-10-2020 01:04AM

majcos wrote: »

332 healthcare workers with a median age of 46 have been hospitalized up to 28th September. 57 of them ended up in ICU with a median age of 51. All capable of working so have a reasonable degree of health. 8 healthcare workers have died in Ireland.

Is that a higher then norm percentage of ICU admissions for healthcare workers than the general public per hospitalised cases? What is the causes ethic background, co morbidtys including weight?

And you mentioned elderly not being admitted due to age to ICU, is that unfair as Germany posted recently the death rate for the over 80s is 11%?

tom1ie · 11-10-2020 01:04AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Do like UK and keep schools/ childcare for essential workers only . Or those that can't wfh .
Older kids could be at home on Google classroom.
I hate this but better than no school or no childcare for those that need it .

So parents that CAN wfh what happens there?
Wfh plus teach your kids?
That’s a non runner.

tom1ie · 11-10-2020 01:05AM

speckle wrote: »

Is that a higher then norm percentage of ICU admissions for healthcare workers than the general public per hospitalised cases? What is the causes ethic background, co morbidtys including weight?

And you mentioned elderly not being admitted due to age to ICU, is that unfair as Germany posted recently the death rate for the over 80s is 11%?

Surely has to be viral load?

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 01:05AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They'll never, ever be in lockdown again.

An incredibly expensive lesson to find out it only kicks the can down the road.

ACitizenErased · 11-10-2020 01:06AM

Argentina’s current positivity rate is 62.5%......

Plumbthedepths · 11-10-2020 01:08AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

For one id imagine their healthcare system isn't on the brink of collapse like ours...... Again

Ours is on the brink of collapse every winter. Thankfully the HSE had from March to prepare.....

Goldengirl · 11-10-2020 01:09AM

majcos wrote: »

Average age of first heart attack in males is 65 and 70 in women. Don’t have figures for average age of death from heart attack.

Elderly or those with significant co-morbid illnesses are not admitted to ICU but yet almost 500 people have ended up in ICU in Ireland.

332 healthcare workers with a median age of 46 have been hospitalized up to 28th September. 57 of them ended up in ICU with a median age of 51. All capable of working so have a reasonable degree of health. 8 healthcare workers have died in Ireland and 650 plus healthcare workers have died in the UK.

About 100 people in Ireland with no underlying health conditions have died from Covid-19. Of those with underlying health conditions who died, that includes underlying conditions such as hypertension which a quarter to a third of the adult population have, diabetes which about 10% of population have, and asthma which around 8% of population have. Cannot discount a death based on underlying conditions especially in developed countries.

As per HPSC reports, median age of Covid deaths is 83 with mean age of 81, not 88 so no ‘bonus six years’. 389 deaths occurred in those under 75.

Great post , Majcos .

Just to add one point , having diabetes or hypertension does not mean a person is unfit or obese.
Many of these people are slim and fit and live more healthily than the general population, because they are ensuring that they keep their conditions under control.
However this disease does not respect that and attacks slim, fit diabetics and hypertensives with the same gusto that it attacks the morbidly obese or those with uncontrolled conditions , for some reason .
That autoimmune response again .

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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