Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

bb1234567 · 11-10-2020 11:26AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Argentina’s current positivity rate is 62.5%......

I feel really bad about what has happened there and in Peru, there was literally no point to their lockdowns which were the longest on earth as majority of people in PEru has got covid now anyway and seems like Argentina will be the same way soon

MadYaker · 11-10-2020 11:27AM

xvril wrote: »

WHO are now saying dont use lockdowns I see.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-world-health-organisation-backflips-on-virus-stance-by-condemning-lockdowns/DQMBCUNNRCHCBLCITIMKOYXLRU/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1602404342

Did you misread the article or are you purposely trying to mislead people?

Dr David Nabarro from the WHO appealed to world leaders yesterday, telling them to stop "using lockdowns as your primary control method" of the coronavirus.

He didn't say don't use lockdowns. He they shouldn't be the only solution countries use. That is not the same thing.

He is right. If we had proper testing and contact tracing in place and more people could follow the basic guidelines lockdowns wouldn't be as necessary.

froog · 11-10-2020 11:29AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Heard it on the radio but maybe it’s just a proposal at this stage.

Our ICU numbers are stable today

what do you mean our ICU numbers are stable today - you mean there was a single day with no increase? do you ever look at trends over multiple days?

Zebra3 · 11-10-2020 11:31AM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's unbelievable that NPHET want to ignore the WHO and put the entire country into lockdown. Once again, NPHET are ignoring science and making things up as they go along. Their policies are threatening to destroy the country and people's lives.

No threatening about it.

They are destroying the country and people's lives.

Happydays2020 · 11-10-2020 11:31AM

crossman47 wrote: »

They are responsible for medical advice to government, who may or may not accept it.

Yet the members of NPHET do have responsibilities for these aspects in their day jobs. Their executive v their advisory functions.

Gods Gift · 11-10-2020 11:34AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

If that is the case then that is the proper and correct thing to do to help out our neighbours.

Can’t see Billy from Druncree agreeing to been treated in the republic.

Miike · 11-10-2020 11:36AM

xvril wrote: »

WHO are now saying dont use lockdowns I see.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-world-health-organisation-backflips-on-virus-stance-by-condemning-lockdowns/DQMBCUNNRCHCBLCITIMKOYXLRU/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1602404342

That is not what they've said.

Dont use lockdowns AS YOUR PRIMARY CONTROL MEASURE does not mean "dont use lockdowns".

440Hertz · 11-10-2020 11:36AM

I'm just wondering, if any of you could emigrate right now, would you?

Personally, I'm really worried about the fairly obvious lack of healthcare capacity here at the moment and the policies seem to be, at least from what I'm engaging with online, all over the place. The UK seems to be just as bad, or worse in some respects, and I'd be really concerned about quite a few continental countries and I don't think I'll be going anywhere near the US until it's calmed down - which is at this stage looking like 2025 or beyond.

Then with Brexit pending in January and general chaos looming large, I just feel like I should have left this place after 2008. I was obviously way too optimistic about it and gave it too much benefit of the doubt.

But, I'm just wondering where else could I go?

11-10-2020 11:37AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Can’t see Billy from Druncree agreeing to been treated in the republic.

I could. Historically they don't mind getting help from us when needed and just return to the usual bs afterwards once the dangers past.

MelbourneMan · 11-10-2020 11:37AM

mcburns07 wrote: »

What's going to change in level 5 that's going to reduce numbers? The issue is non enforcement of the thing that causes most of the spread i.e limiting social contacts.

A lot changes at Level 5, or even 4. The issue of non-enforcement has no great influence on the effect of each change. It is important for the wider population's perception of equality and their willingness to comply. Non compliance is visible out of all proportion to its effect in the transmission rate. It is almost a statisitical irrelevancy. But makes waves on social media, Joe Duffy, and the casual chat of the uninformed. The main problem is the annoyance it causes the compliant. But annoyance doesnt transmit the virus. Thousands of people not comply with whatever stage does not harm the benefit of the millions complying. But politicians are in the perception game, and must be seen to do something, even if it has no real influence on the substantive issue of the transmission rate. Dealing with the non compliant will assuage the tempers of the outraged, but have no measurable effect on the virus.

Spiderman0081 · 11-10-2020 11:39AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

If we're the only place to lockdown again fully we might not get support from the EU.

Anyone remember how long it took to get agreement on the first covid bailout money? That might not come this time around. It's not a case of lockdown and let the EU help us out - we might end up on our own.

Ahh the last Covid bailout has Ireland as a contributor to other countries, not a beneficiary

MadYaker · 11-10-2020 11:39AM

440Hertz wrote: »

I'm just wondering, if any of you could emigrate right now, would you?

Personally, I'm really worried about the fairly obvious lack of healthcare capacity here at the moment and the policies seem to be, at least from what I'm engaging with online, all over the place. The UK seems to be just as bad, or worse in some respects, and I'd be really concerned about quite a few continental countries and I don't think I'll be going anywhere near the US until it's calmed down.

Then with Brexit pending in January and general chaos looming large, I just feel like I should have left this place after 2008. I was obviously way too optimistic about it and gave it too much benefit of the doubt.

But, I'm just wondering where else could I go?

Have you ever moved to another country before? With international travel and everything else being upended by this id imagine it'd be almost impossible at this point. You're probably stuck where you are until this is over.

caveat emptor · 11-10-2020 11:39AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

You have your shyte. You've been on here hourly for months finding excuses for every cluster, outbreak and rise in numbers. 'Analysing' the numbers like some self appointed lord of statistics, discounting everyone with even a passing concern that things were looking like they could get worse. Insulting and denigrating posters for 'hysteria' and 'fear mongering'.

Now you are confronted with the cold reality that the fcuking shiit has hit the fan, things are going to hell in a handbag and all you cared about was how Cork was doing better than Dublin and how the GAA shouldn't be persecuted.

Now it's all coming back to bite you, there's egg on your face, the 'doom sayers' were right and the country is going to be in a fcuking heap by Christmas, no economy, no healthcare, no fcuk all because pints and the ****ty junior B was more important than everything else.

While I don’t like making anyone feel crap. This is accurate. Thanks

ACitizenErased · 11-10-2020 11:41AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

You have your shyte. You've been on here hourly for months finding excuses for every cluster, outbreak and rise in numbers. 'Analysing' the numbers like some self appointed lord of statistics, discounting everyone with even a passing concern that things were looking like they could get worse. Insulting and denigrating posters for 'hysteria' and 'fear mongering'.

Now you are confronted with the cold reality that the fcuking shiit has hit the fan, things are going to hell in a handbag and all you cared about was how Cork was doing better than Dublin and how the GAA shouldn't be persecuted.

Now it's all coming back to bite you, there's egg on your face, the 'doom sayers' were right and the country is going to be in a fcuking heap by Christmas, no economy, no healthcare, no fcuk all because pints and the ****ty junior B was more important than everything else.

I would absolutely love to have the time in life to be THIS offended by somebody on the internet, damn

Miike · 11-10-2020 11:43AM

GazzaL wrote: »

It's unbelievable that NPHET want to ignore the WHO and put the entire country into lockdown. Once again, NPHET are ignoring science and making things up as they go along. Their policies are threatening to destroy the country and people's lives.

Do you know what a country with a collapsed health service looks like? You don't need to look further than Google to find out. Re-read what the WHO has said regarding lockdown but really focus this time, then have a cup of tea and relax.

Boggles · 11-10-2020 11:43AM

The rest of the country is losing their shít.

But at least we are keeping it together in here.

Well done lads, I'm proud of ye.

11-10-2020 11:44AM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

A lot changes at Level 5, or even 4. The issue of non-enforcement has no great influence on the effect of each change. It is importance for the wider population's perception of equality and their willingness to comply. Non compliance is visible out of all proportion to its effect in the transmission rate. It is almost a statisitical irrelevancy. But makes waves on social media, Joe Duffy, and the casual chat of the uninformed. The main problem is the annoyance it causes the compliant. But annoyance doesnt transmit the virus. Thousands of people not comply with whatever stage does not harm the benefit of the millions complying. But politicians are in the perception game, and must be seen to do something, even if it has no real influence on the substantive issue of the transmission rate. Dealing with the non compliant will assuage the tempers of the outraged, but have no measurable effect on the virus.

I can't quite understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying that non compliance is so small it's inconsequential to the spread?

manniot2 · 11-10-2020 11:45AM

440Hertz wrote: »

I'm just wondering, if any of you could emigrate right now, would you?

Personally, I'm really worried about the fairly obvious lack of healthcare capacity here at the moment and the policies seem to be, at least from what I'm engaging with online, all over the place. The UK seems to be just as bad, or worse in some respects, and I'd be really concerned about quite a few continental countries and I don't think I'll be going anywhere near the US until it's calmed down - which is at this stage looking like 2025 or beyond.

Then with Brexit pending in January and general chaos looming large, I just feel like I should have left this place after 2008. I was obviously way too optimistic about it and gave it too much benefit of the doubt.

But, I'm just wondering where else could I go?

They have hot women and Covid free. They even have Zlatan.

niallo27 · 11-10-2020 11:46AM

Miike wrote: »

That is not what they've said.

Dont use lockdowns AS YOUR PRIMARY CONTROL MEASURE does not mean "dont use lockdowns".

Ok so what are nphet proposing as their primary control measure.

Strumms · 11-10-2020 11:48AM

shocksy wrote: »

Is it fu*k, they got themselves into that mess, they'll have to sort it themselves, let Westminster sort them out. We'll have enough pressure on the hospital system in the coming days and weeks without adding to that with other patients from NI. We can barely cope as it is without putting more patients into the Irish system. That wouldn't go down well at all with the public.

Agreed, it’s boneheaded virtue signaling. We are utilizing all our resources in terms of facilities, people, test kits, bed spaces, medicines, ventilators in order to help those who paid for it ... US! The Irish taxpayers. It’s borderline treasonous to even suggest we start inviting in people from outside the state when our health services and staff are and have been overwhelmed..people who have paid in a grand total of ZILCH to this state and will get preferential treatment...

What the sweet actual fûck is wrong with our politicians ? Are they going to spend a few hundred grand, chartering aer lingus A330’s to bring back covid patients from Sierra Leone for treatment here too ? While the rest of us might be expected to stare through the window of a hospital waiting our ‘turn’...

Inviting people from over the border the same. The majority wouldn’t be bothered setting foot in this state unless there is match on, but now to get free help... you don’t see Germany, France, Italy, Denmark extending beds and resources that they actually need to other people outside their borders AHEAD of their own people. Why are we ?

The United Kingdom and their health budget is mandated to help the people of Northern Ireland.

The budget of the Republic is to help the people here, IN the Republic who actually PAY into it...

NI are linked into and part of one of the worlds biggest economies, let them be enabled in ‘their’ covid fight by their economy.

MelbourneMan · 11-10-2020 11:48AM

mcburns07 wrote: »

I can't quite understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying that non compliance is so small it's inconsequential to the spread?

Yes, effectively. It isnt zero, but the attention it is given is way out of proportion to its true influence.

eagle eye · 11-10-2020 11:48AM

ACitizenErased wrote:

I would absolutely love to have the time in life to be THIS offended by somebody on the internet, damn

He's right though. You've been saying people have been wrong and going overboard all the way through. You questioned my numbers only a couple of weeks ago.
You are constantly acting like you know more than you do.
Isn't it time you admitted that you've got it wrong for months?

The HorsesMouth · 11-10-2020 11:49AM

shocksy wrote: »

Is it fu*k, they got themselves into that mess, they'll have to sort it themselves, let Westminster sort them out. We'll have enough pressure on the hospital system in the coming days and weeks without adding to that with other patients from NI. We can barely cope as it is without putting more patients into the Irish system. That wouldn't go down well at all with the public.

Cmon I'm not talking about treating 100s of patients and obviously if we didn't have capacity we wouldn't accept any patients from the North. But if someone from Armagh gets very sick and theres no icu bed in Belfast and theres 5 free in Drogheda well then I'd safely say the state would allow that sort of accommodation.

s1ippy · 11-10-2020 11:50AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I honestly think all these 'told you so' comments are disgusting. Acting as if everyone's playing some sort of game. This is far from a game.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I would absolutely love to have the time in life to be THIS offended by somebody on the internet, damn

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Miike · 11-10-2020 11:50AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ok so what are nphet proposing as their primary control measure.

Every single other public health measure that has come on board since Day 0. Periods of heightened restrictions are the ONLY way of effectively suppressing community spread in the acute phase.

The HorsesMouth · 11-10-2020 11:51AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Can’t see Billy from Druncree agreeing to been treated in the republic.

Can't see Billy from Drumcree having any sort of argument while he's stuck on a ventilator and in a coma.

Gruffalux · 11-10-2020 11:53AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ok so what are nphet proposing as their primary control measure.

It was advised a very long time ago that TEST, TRACE, ISOLATE is the best way to manage a pandemic. As positivity rates re tests rise it shows we do not have enough testing capability to stay on top. As community tracing comes under pressure we are also starting to lose that battle. And isolation requires the first 2 pillars to be pristine.
I heard a good summation yesterday. Someone said up until recently one felt like one had a good chance to avoid it. Don't go to crowded places, don't go to parties, etc. Now, this person said, it feels like it is more out there anywhere.

11-10-2020 11:55AM

Looks like National L3 was not a moment to soon. Still remains to be seen was Dublin L3 enough. Next 7 days will give us the answer.

s1ippy · 11-10-2020 11:57AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Looks like National L3 was not a moment to soon. Still remains to be seen was Dublin L3 enough. Next 7 days will give us the answer.

Crucial!

You're right though.

Strumms · 11-10-2020 11:58AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Cmon I'm not talking about treating 100s of patients and obviously if we didn't have capacity we wouldn't accept any patients from the North. But if someone from Armagh gets very sick and theres no icu bed in Belfast and theres 5 free in Drogheda well then I'd safely say the state would allow that sort of accommodation.

We might have 5 free beds in drogheda NOW, at 11.55 on Sunday 11/10.

At 16.10 a car crash, a serious car crash, one incident, two cars, 5 people, where do they go ?

If we have free beds ? BRILLIANT they are ready and available for use. To help and support the taxpayers here who WILL need those beds in the coming days.

Covid is happening, so are car crashes, heart attacks, strokes, etc... to be fûcking away our bed availability and treatments to benefit those from outside the state is madness, cuckoo virtue signaling of the highest order, pure crap.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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