Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

greysides · 07-10-2020 04:51PM

Jjameson wrote: »

“Close to” never bulled a cow. I’ve no problem comprehending the concepts do strategy up to now but I disagree with it.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/scientists-and-politicians-split-over-how-to-tackle-rising-covid-infections-as-northern-leaders-say-restrictions-are-not-working-12096597

SNAP!

endainoz · 07-10-2020 05:18PM

Jjameson wrote: »

“Close to” never bulled a cow. I’ve no problem comprehending the concepts do strategy up to now but I disagree with it.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/scientists-and-politicians-split-over-how-to-tackle-rising-covid-infections-as-northern-leaders-say-restrictions-are-not-working-12096597

Going by the atrocious record they have in dealing with this virus, following what the uk are doing would be idiotic.

odyssey06 · 07-10-2020 05:41PM

Jjameson wrote: »

Not lock them up but keep them as far away from physical contact and shared air of the population as practically possible. let advise level 5 restrictions for anyone vulnerable that can’t fight the virus.. more Ppe and testing of care workers and and frontline staff and anyone else who has to come in contact with them. This is where the conversation needs to be.
The lockdown in the start was about this being an indiscriminate killer. It has been proven NOT
to be a discriminate killer.
This is never going to be got back into a bottle and no amount of nationwide restrictions are going to eradicate it. So a steady rate of infection of fit healthy young people is important to make any real progress when there’s no vaccine in sight.

The lockdown was to prevent the health service from being overwhelmed, I never heard 'indiscriminate' that being cited as one of the reasons. Regardless, Adults of all ages have ended up in ICU with this, even those without pre-existing conditions. The lockdown was about ensuring the hospitala and ICU capacity is there to treat those who can be saved, and reducing the risk of transmission to those who would not survive it.

At this stage, we have no definite idea of how long immunity lasts for, whether the virus will mutate per season like cold and flu. To suggest herd immunity in the absence of that certainity is completely irresponsible. It suggests anyone advocating it has absolutely zero real concern for the vulnerable.

Then when we consider the practicalities of what shielding the most vulnerable would entail... it is fantasy stuff.
For the starters, how many people are we talking about when we talk about the vulnerable (and those they live with) ?

If the virus is rampant in the community, the vulnerable will be exposed to it. They don't live in a sterile bubble. They need care, typically more care, as they have conditions.
They have to go out for essential business too, medical appointments etc.
What are about care home staff who have kids in school, or spouses working in offices? Do we sack them?
So where would care home staff live? Do we conscrpt them?
What about vulnerable people with kids in school?
What about multi-generational households?

I haven't heard any practicable way of protecting the vulnerable while letting the virus rip through society to achieve herd immunity.

orm0nd · 07-10-2020 08:13PM

confirmed case here locally to day,

teenager attending second level college,

kerryjack · 07-10-2020 08:34PM

Not far from a lock down I think

Water John · 07-10-2020 08:37PM

The analysis of the effect of L3 is to be in 3 weeks, unless things take a bad turn.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-10-2020 08:50PM

For perspective, the case profile for the last number of months.

07-10-2020 09:06PM

Water John wrote: »

The analysis of the effect of L3 is to be in 3 weeks, unless things take a bad turn.

I'd say it'll go pear shaped before figures come out. Holohan already saying the situation is looking much worse today than how it was when the letter was written.

Say my name · 07-10-2020 09:17PM

Right I think most of us have accepted Covid 19 can test positive in a human then test negative and then test positive again.
Question : is the second time always a reinfection from someone else or can it come back from that person again from the first time and worse, if so infect other people again?

(Just thinking along the lines of cattle viruses and how they operate).

Buford T. Justice XIX · 07-10-2020 09:37PM

Say my name wrote: »

Right I think most of us have accepted Covid 19 can test positive in a human then test negative and then test positive again.
Question : is the second time always a reinfection from someone else or can it come back from that person again from the first time and worse, if so infect other people again?

(Just thinking along the lines of cattle viruses and how they operate).

I think the current thinking seems to be along the lines of measles and shingles, a latent infection in a number of cases that can reoccur if triggered.

It's still very early days yet in discovering the ins and outs of this and the severity of the damage to body organs. It'll be years yet before the actuarial figures can be compiled.

greysides · 07-10-2020 11:00PM

The justification for some of the precautions.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-survives-9-hours-on-skin.html

_Brian · 08-10-2020 06:43AM

greysides wrote: »

The justification for some of the precautions.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-survives-9-hours-on-skin.html

Interesting article on same site.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-survives-9-hours-on-skin.html

Not one animal at the market tested positive as would have been expected. They rather think it was the site of a “superspreader event” amd the leap from animal to humans occurs elsewhere. I’ve read this a number of times, another site I read expected the leap to humans occurring at a farm where wild animals are collected and bred for sale at these markets

_Brian · 08-10-2020 08:21AM

Say my name wrote: »

Right I think most of us have accepted Covid 19 can test positive in a human then test negative and then test positive again.
Question : is the second time always a reinfection from someone else or can it come back from that person again from the first time and worse, if so infect other people again?

(Just thinking along the lines of cattle viruses and how they operate).

It’s not clear is the answer.
Having a clear answer to something like this requires a large sample size with standardised procedures of testing and monitoring. It’s being worked on but it’s really important not to jump to the wrong answer with a small data set or worse a guess.

NcdJd · 08-10-2020 08:46AM

_Brian wrote: »

It’s not clear is the answer.
Having a clear answer to something like this requires a large sample size with standardised procedures of testing and monitoring. It’s being worked on but it’s really important not to jump to the wrong answer with a small data set or worse a guess.

Listening to professor Luke O'Neil on the Pat Kenny show. He said that there is a study just done which found that Covid19 actually attacks the T Cells therefore your immune system could be damaged from it.

He also said that that report calling for herd immunity was written by people who are not immunologists but rather epidemiologists and there is not enough data at the moment available to immunologists to determine if herd immunity is even plausible with this virus.

yosemitesam1 · 08-10-2020 10:44AM

NcdJd wrote: »

Listening to professor Luke O'Neil on the Pat Kenny show. He said that there is a study just done which found that Covid19 actually attacks the T Cells therefore your immune system could be damaged from it.

He also said that that report calling for herd immunity was written by people who are not immunologists but rather epidemiologists and there is not enough data at the moment available to immunologists to determine if herd immunity is even plausible with this virus.

Is there any data out there to suggest that this strain is so vastly different to all the other main human and animal coronaviruses that follow similar patterns to eachother?
Waiting for definitive data costs lives and takes a lot of time

_Brian · 08-10-2020 10:53AM

NcdJd wrote: »

Listening to professor Luke O'Neil on the Pat Kenny show. He said that there is a study just done which found that Covid19 actually attacks the T Cells therefore your immune system could be damaged from it.

He also said that that report calling for herd immunity was written by people who are not immunologists but rather epidemiologists and there is not enough data at the moment available to immunologists to determine if herd immunity is even plausible with this virus.

This is the crux of the problem at the moment.

People without the correct knowledge and experience giving advice, and worse governments actually listening.

_Brian · 08-10-2020 10:56AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Is there any data out there to suggest that this strain is so vastly different to all the other main human and animal coronaviruses that follow similar patterns to eachother?
Waiting for definitive data costs lives and takes a lot of time

Define “vastly different”

I’ve seen research that says Covid19 lives four to five times longer on skin that the cold or flu that people are so keen to compare it to. If that’s the case that fact alone makes it vastly different and much more hard to beat.

Add to that the emerging data that it’s leaving longer lasting damage than other “similar” virus and one gets the picture that it’s definite a bigger issue.

Mooooo · 08-10-2020 11:02AM

_Brian wrote: »

Interesting article on same site.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-survives-9-hours-on-skin.html

Not one animal at the market tested positive as would have been expected. They rather think it was the site of a “superspreader event” amd the leap from animal to humans occurs elsewhere. I’ve read this a number of times, another site I read expected the leap to humans occurring at a farm where wild animals are collected and bred for sale at these markets

I think with the Spanish flu, it was thought to trace back to a man who had dealt with poultry, whom ended up developing it but went on to work giving dinners to soldiers in camps that was the intital outbreak.

NcdJd · 08-10-2020 11:03AM

_Brian wrote: »

This is the crux of the problem at the moment.

People without the correct knowledge and experience giving advice, and worse governments actually listening.

You must have been listening to Jimi Hendrix there ha.

_Brian · 08-10-2020 12:34PM

Mooooo wrote: »

I think with the Spanish flu, it was thought to trace back to a man who had dealt with poultry, whom ended up developing it but went on to work giving dinners to soldiers in camps that was the intital outbreak.

I doubt there will ever be concrete “proof” on the origin of this virus.

It’s desperately coincidental that there is a virus lab not far off the wet market. There have been reported incidents of The original Sars virus being accidentally released from labs. Yet we also know that farming wild and domestic animals in close quarters with humans is a real entry point for these zootonic diseases.

I’m probably 50/50 on its origin at this stage, but more interested in its control. As human populations increase and increase its to be expected that we will see more and more infectious virus circulate. We need to learn how to identify threats, prepare for and deal with them efficiently.

blue5000 · 08-10-2020 12:47PM

Indo says christmas is could be cancelled:( wouldn't like to be working in the retail/hospitality sector.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/

endainoz · 08-10-2020 12:54PM

blue5000 wrote: »

Indo says christmas is could be cancelled:( wouldn't like to be working in the retail/hospitality sector.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/

That's the big fear right now alright, I'm afraid it could be inevitable at this point.

Getting back to farming related issues, what is the protocol in marts with level 3? Will have a few weanlings to sell soon.

NcdJd · 08-10-2020 01:11PM

Jjameson wrote: »

Aul lads gomming into the mart “for a look”. One with an mask over his mouth and not his nose. The sight thats in front of me. The at risk group have to this for themselves. There has to be targeted approach and right away there is no need for these lads to be here. A retired priest ffs.

Sorry I know your been serious but I laughed at the image that post put into my head. Feckin oul lads

Reggie. · 08-10-2020 01:48PM

endainoz wrote: »

That's the big fear right now alright, I'm afraid it could be inevitable at this point.

Getting back to farming related issues, what is the protocol in marts with level 3? Will have a few weanlings to sell soon.

By the sound of things it could be level 4 protocols shortly

Base price · 09-10-2020 07:28PM

Fines to be introduced for breaking Covid rules
https://www.thejournal.ie/proportional-system-of-fines-to-be-introduced-for-breaking-covid-19-rules-5229328-Oct2020/?utm_source=facebook_short&fbclid=IwAR0F54DLMoOi2DjOBWgkZocaQPBZScW9a_hVH-dMQCj0rX9JTmTWs6y-0mI

patsy_mccabe · 10-10-2020 07:48PM

wrangler · 10-10-2020 07:52PM

Over a thousand Covid cases today........ looking like it's going to be a lockdown christmas

whelan2 · 10-10-2020 08:00PM

It's not looking good.

_Brian · 10-10-2020 08:52PM

Last two weeks in Cavan has been a total **** show of GAA related celebrations and a general decrease in people following the guidelines.

It’s showing now on the cases and hospitalisations.

I get that people are fatigued with restrictions but there’s literally no other option

Reggie. · 10-10-2020 08:52PM

wrangler wrote: »

Over a thousand Covid cases today........ looking like it's going to be a lockdown christmas

Halloween at least

Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

Comments