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Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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  • #6152
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Really wouldn't have guessed that for a democratic nation :rolleyes: doesn't change the fact that they should sll have been rounded up after and locked into a single building for 2 weeks, ****ing clowns.

    Why would you suggest rounding up people who committed no crime? Although it's ironic a protest suggested as being 'facist' has you wanting participants treated in a manner reminiscent of 30's/40's Germany The organisers are subject to investigation not the participants.


  • #6153
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    IrishStuff09 wrote: »
    Positive Swabs
    947

    Positivity Rate
    6.13%

    Swabs Completed
    15,445

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114433276


  • #6154
    440Hertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No you taking what you want and applying different time frames.

    Bars and restaurants opened in Italy on June 3rd I think.

    I think we could get a hair cut on June 29th.

    All had some, Ireland had all for the Summer.

    I will concede that large European cities were more restricted for a period last March, April and May but that stopped and normality mostly resumed for Summer.

    Point being that public buy in doesnt last forever.

    I hate doing this, linking the journal, but its shows results of an ERSI report which says " the ESRI report concludes that Ireland “ had one of the strictest and longest lockdowns” in Europe

    https://www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-lockdown-economic-forecast-5226321-Oct2020/

    I hope that puts to bed the notion that Ireland was not the most restricted nation this Summer.

    You could eat, drink and dine in much the same way as France here from point the non drink-only bars opened.

    *some* Irish pubs were closed until very late. It’s a total myth that all of them were. There was a thriving cafe / bar culture in Cork City for most of the summer once those opened.

    Very few countries other than Ireland and the U.K. have drink only bars. It would be a very weird concept from a French point of view for example.

    Also both France & Spain are facing far worse rates than we are right now. Hopefully we will be able to manage the curve as the weeks go on. As it’s looking very much like Spain in particular is going to have a second covid meltdown.


  • #6155
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,568 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Why would you suggest rounding up people who committed no crime? Although it's ironic a protest suggested as being 'facist' has you wanting participants treated in a manner reminiscent of 30's/40's Germany The organisers are subject to investigation not the participants.

    Im not going to argue whats right and wrong with an apologist for the rights of these idiots


  • #6156
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,992 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    440Hertz wrote: »
    You could eat, drink and dine in much the same way as France here from point the non drink-only bars opened.

    *some* Irish pubs were closed until very late. It’s a total myth that all of them were. There was a thriving cafe / bar culture in Cork City for most of the summer once those opened.

    Very few countries other than Ireland and the U.K. have drink only bars. It would be a very weird concept from a French point of view for example.

    Also both France & Spain are facing far worse rates than we are right now. Hopefully we will be able to manage the curve as the weeks go on. As it’s looking very much like Spain in particular is going to have a second covid meltdown.

    Thats your point of view.

    The report disagrees with you.


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  • #6157
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Sure carehomes got on great

    https://twitter.com/martinbarrow/status/1314541937416953856?s=21

    that's the "sweden strategy" firmly put to bed. by every metric.


  • #6158
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No you taking what you want and applying different time frames.

    Bars and restaurants opened in Italy on June 3rd I think.

    I think we could get a hair cut on June 29th.

    All had some, Ireland had all for the Summer.

    I will concede that large European cities were more restricted for a period last March, April and May but that stopped and normality mostly resumed for Summer.

    Point being that public buy in doesnt last forever.

    I hate doing this, linking the journal, but its shows results of an ERSI report which says " the ESRI report concludes that Ireland “ had one of the strictest and longest lockdowns” in Europe

    https://www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-lockdown-economic-forecast-5226321-Oct2020/

    I hope that puts to bed the notion that Ireland was not the most restricted nation this Summer.

    Our summer had far less stringent restrictions than most countries.

    source.mp4

    528887.png


  • #6159
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No you taking what you want and applying different time frames.

    Bars and restaurants opened in Italy on June 3rd I think.

    I think we could get a hair cut on June 29th.

    All had some, Ireland had all for the Summer.

    I will concede that large European cities were more restricted for a period last March, April and May but that stopped and normality mostly resumed for Summer.

    Point being that public buy in doesnt last forever.

    I hate doing this, linking the journal, but its shows results of an ERSI report which says " the ESRI report concludes that Ireland “ had one of the strictest and longest lockdowns” in Europe

    https://www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-lockdown-economic-forecast-5226321-Oct2020/

    I hope that puts to bed the notion that Ireland was not the most restricted nation this Summer.

    Im in Spain, on the coast near Málaga. Small area, Benalmadena. We were in lockdown for seven weeks. Not allowed out for exercise. Ireland never got that strict.


  • #6160
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Im not going to argue whats right and wrong with an apologist for the rights of these idiots

    Not an apologist for anyone , sorry for not allowing you pigeon hole me. Many people lost their lives to provide this country with a constitution that is the envy of many countries. I feel it's necessary to remind people like you that no matter the situation we should not suspend it. If the government wishes to outlaw the right to protest they have options.


  • #6161
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,992 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Our summer had far less stringent restrictions than most countries.

    source.mp4

    528887.png

    The very graph you posted makes nonsense of your argument


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  • #6162
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Im not going to argue whats right and wrong with an apologist for the rights of these idiots

    Indeed no point in arguing against the human rights of the dumbest and stupidest of society, they too are part of our rich tapestry of humanity.


  • #6163
    pauldry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,804 ✭✭✭pauldry


    I know it's not a great thing to predict but I predict there will be over 700 cases today. It's going to keep going up too as the R rate must be will over 1 at present.


  • #6164
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Just thinking about what Dublin's numbers might be today. There's clearly a backlog, so the Dublin number will be higher than we have seen in the last couple of days. Don't be alarmed to see 250 cases for Dublin today. That would still see Dublin's 3 day average in line with its 14 day average, so it would mean Dublin is stable.


  • #6165
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,992 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    jobeenfitz wrote: »
    Im in Spain, on the coast near Málaga. Small area, Benalmadena. We were in lockdown for seven weeks. Not allowed out for exercise. Ireland never got that strict.

    Was that 7 week lockdown this Summer?

    Or was it last Spring?

    If so your having an argument that nobody disagreed with


  • #6166
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Indeed no point in arguing against the human rights of the dumbest and stupidest of society, they too are part of our rich tapestry of humanity.

    Agreed Catmaniac...

    Reminds me of the song played by Sunshine Radio* at midnight every night.

    Desiderata: Voiced by Les Crane (released 1971)

    "GO PLACIDLY amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

    Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

    Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself"

    Never truer words spoken and never more applicable than when active on this board.

    *Sunshine Radio was a pirate station operating in Dublin from the early to late 80's.


  • #6167
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    pauldry wrote: »
    I know it's not a great thing to predict but I predict there will be over 700 cases today. It's going to keep going up too as the R rate must be will over 1 at present.

    I reckon it will be 900+


  • #6168
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I reckon it will be 900+

    Could easily hit 1000. Really don't like these backlogs. They'd be better off just announcing the number of positive swabs each day, it's not like the number of people who test positive twice is ever a big number.


  • #6169
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    froog wrote: »
    that's the "sweden strategy" firmly put to bed. by every metric.

    They did better at protecting care homes than Ireland did if you by death rate?

    40% of covid deaths in Sweden occurred in carehomes, where as 60% of Ireland's deaths were in carehomes


  • #6170
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    One thing I gather from this thread is that those who are vehemently opposed to a lockdown are going to be the people who most likely cause it.

    There was a survey on tv the other evening that showed support for further lockdown broken down by those who would suffer no loss of income and those who would.

    Those who would lose income were against further restrictions by 80%.

    Those who would not lose any income were in favour of further restrictions, but not by much.


  • #6171
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,296 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I'm sure you'll be shocked when a vaccine does indeed arrive in 2021, high confidence in that

    Which vaccine will that be? And on what basis are you highly confident about it?
    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I can't wait to see the reactions when there's a vaccine approved next month.

    Why? Are you looking forward to gloating?

    Which vaccine will be approved next month?

    What do you think the uptake percentage will be of a vaccine if one becomes available?


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  • #6172
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    US2 wrote: »
    They did better at protecting care homes than Ireland did if you by death rate?

    40% of covid deaths in Sweden occurred in carehomes, where as 60% of Ireland's deaths were in carehomes

    Sweden have 5894 deaths. 40% would be 2358.

    Ireland has 1891 deaths. 60% would be 1135.

    I can't see how you say Sweden did better protecting care homes than Ireland. Sweden has a poor test rate and it is suspected that many covid deaths are not yet included in figures. I suspect that when this whole thing is over and we get proper excess death figures we will have a different impression of which countries succeeded and which didnt.


  • #6173
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Which vaccine will that be? And on what basis are you highly confident about it?



    Why? Are you looking forward to gloating?

    Which vaccine will be approved next month?

    What do you think the uptake percentage will be of a vaccine if one becomes available?

    When the vaccine comes along its game over for lockdown. On a gradual basis of course over a few months everything will return to normal.

    If people dont take the vaccine isnt their own loss. The government is no longer responsible.


  • #6174
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The right to protest is enshrined in the constitution. Whether one should or not is irrelevant.

    You should never remove the right to protest, or the right to ridicule these particular loons who are protesting today


  • #6175
    440Hertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Our summer had far less stringent restrictions than most countries.[/B]

    source.mp4

    528887.png

    The spike refers to the local lockdowns in Kildare etc


  • #6176
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,097 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    pauldry wrote: »
    I predict there will be over 700 cases today..
    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I reckon it will be 900+
    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Could easily hit 1000.

    DQ21iaQW4AApSGM.jpg


  • #6177
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭Russman


    Will Yam wrote: »
    There was a survey on tv the other evening that showed support for further lockdown broken down by those who would suffer no loss of income and those who would.

    Those who would lose income were against further restrictions by 80%.

    Those who would not lose any income were in favour of further restrictions, but not by much.

    Sure the last 50 pages of this thread can basically be summarised into those who don’t care who dies so long as they can pay their bills, and those who don’t care who loses their jobs so long as they or their relatives don’t get sick.


  • #6178
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Just back from my local. 3 pints and got talking to the owner. Emotional is an understatement. They really are being targeted and vicitimised at this stage. We need to allow them to re-open and make a living.


  • #6179
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Agreed Catmaniac...

    Reminds me of the song played by Sunshine Radio* at midnight every night.

    Desiderata: Voiced by Les Crane (released 1971)

    "GO PLACIDLY amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

    Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

    Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself"

    Never truer words spoken and never more applicable than when active on this board.

    *Sunshine Radio was a pirate station operating in Dublin from the early to late 80's.

    I think Catmanic's comment went over your head.


  • #6180
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Im not going to argue whats right and wrong with an apologist for the rights of these idiots

    You won't sully yourself by arguing with an apologist for the right to protest?


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  • #6181
    440Hertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Just back from my local. 3 pints and got talking to the owner. Emotional is an understatement. They really are being targeted and vicitimised at this stage. We need to allow them to re-open and make a living.

    Confused. If they’re closed how did you have 3 pints ?


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