Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 03:40PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

@Kermit

Most of Europe has a wide open summer,june through august very much back to normal almost

My county Dublin did not open fully and was heavily restricted, reopening of basic things was even delayed unnecessarily by 6 weeks

We missed giving our people a full break from Covid

Thats the point.

Ireland has essential been the most suppressed nation in Europe, since June, while also having the youngest population.

Its a double hit in a way

s1ippy · 10-10-2020 03:40PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

We missed giving our people a full break from Covid

Are you in primary school or what.

"Miss we never got a break (from Covid)"

Who is going to give you a break from it? Switch off the internet and take your chances.

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 03:42PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Are you in primary school or what.

"Miss we never got a break (from Covid)"

Who is going to give you a break from it? Switch off the internet and take your chances.

Im guilty my self of incredibly immature responses which dismiss others suffering.

Your no different just so you are aware

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 03:43PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'm sure you'll be shocked when a vaccine does indeed arrive in 2021, high confidence in that

Will you be as shocked if there isnt one Stephen?;)

BringBackMick · 10-10-2020 03:44PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Are you in primary school or what.

"Miss we never got a break (from Covid)"

Who is going to give you a break from it? Switch off the internet and take your chances.

NPHET was obsessed with extremely good numbers in the summer and didnt even allow civil servant to visit their families in countries which dealt well with COvid, Germany, Poland etc

Not even a few weeks allowing civil servants to visit family in the UK

They held a lot of people hostage and it will never be forgotten

ElTel · 10-10-2020 03:50PM

polesheep wrote: »

That's based on positive test results. We really can't know how many people have had it already and just passed it off.

Would it be fair to say that Nphet's rough guide of 20-50 cases hospitalized and then 2-5 needing ICU for every 1000 cases captures this uncertainty?

Widdensushi asked earlier if level 3 was needed in response to a poster who stated (correctly I believe) that the growth rate was slowing in Dublin when L3.5 was introduced.

I think they could have waited in a "living with covid" framework to see it the trend continued.

Dispersion and superspreaders and asymptomatic transmission are a bitch but if contact tracing got better at these areas I'd be optimistic the hospitals would cancel less of their normal services. It's a big if though.

10-10-2020 03:51PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Average age time spent in nursing homes, not differentiating between private and public, is 30 months.

Some will be there much longer, some much shorter, but that’s the average.

And your time left to live in a nursing home is almost halved compared to living in general population.

In fact as a country we are really quite poor at looking after our older population in general. We are all coasting along with this for too long and have been conditioned to accept current model.

All of us are responsible for it, and it’s hypocritical to be calling out others for pointing out facts that are unpalatable.

https://tilda.tcd.ie/publications/reports/pdf/Report_EndofLife.pdf

Both my grandmother and mother had illnesses that ultimately needed professional care which meant they could not remain in the "general population" as they needed 24/7 supervision.

This does not mean mine, or any other family in the same situation are "quite poor" at looking after our loved ones, but thanks for the passive aggressive attempt to shame.

My own mother thrived in the nursing home care, and I fully believe being there extended her life by several years, rather then shortening it.

stephenjmcd · 10-10-2020 03:51PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Will you be as shocked if there isnt one Stephen?;)

Yup, the trial data and progress so far wouldn't back there not being one. Rolling reviews also underway.

Should have phase 3 data starting to come through end of this month start of next.

caveat emptor · 10-10-2020 03:52PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its one to watch.

Worked in Sweden..

This could be a ticket back to normality.

Sure carehomes got on great

https://twitter.com/martinbarrow/status/1314541937416953856?s=21

Charles Babbage · 10-10-2020 04:00PM

Fighting Tao wrote: »

One thing I gather from this thread is that those who are vehemently opposed to a lockdown are going to be the people who most likely cause it.

Of course, they will drive up the numbers thereby requiring restrictions while all the time whining about it.

If people had taken it a bit easy in the August then there would be no need for widespread restrictions, but no they have to exercise their "rights" to infect other people.

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 04:02PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Of course, they will drive up the numbers thereby requiring restrictions while all the time whining about it.

If people had taken it a bit easy in the August then there would be no need for widespread restrictions, but no they have to exercise their "rights" to infect other people.

What are you basing this upon?

ACitizenErased · 10-10-2020 04:04PM

I can't wait to see the reactions when there's a vaccine approved next month.

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 04:04PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sure carehomes got on great

https://twitter.com/martinbarrow/status/1314541937416953856?s=21

40% of deaths in care homes??

How they perform so well in comparrison to Ireland?

Last I hear Ireland had about 60% of deaths occuring in nursing home's?

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2020 04:09PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Of course, they will drive up the numbers thereby requiring restrictions while all the time whining about it.

If people had taken it a bit easy in the August then there would be no need for widespread restrictions, but no they have to exercise their "rights" to infect other people.

There is a small section of society, no matter what the situation, who will always be stupid, careless and ignorant.

We will have to end up legislating for tougher measures against them if the situation continues to deteriorate at the pace it is.

At the end of the day these individuals put people's livelihoods and health at risk.

More shenanigans in Dublin city center today.

tigger123 · 10-10-2020 04:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is a small section of society, no matter what the situation, who will always be stupid, careless and ignorant.

We will have to end up legislating for tougher measures against them if the situation continues to deteriorate at the pace it is.

At the end of the day these individuals put people's livelihoods and health at risk.

More shenanigans in Dublin city center today.

Another protest?

Icyseanfitz · 10-10-2020 04:13PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is a small section of society, no matter what the situation, who will always be stupid, careless and ignorant.

We will have to end up legislating for tougher measures against them if the situation continues to deteriorate at the pace it is.

At the end of the day these individuals put people's livelihoods and health at risk.

More shenanigans in Dublin city center today.

Surely not another protest was allowed?

440Hertz · 10-10-2020 04:13PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thats the point.

Ireland has essential been the most suppressed nation in Europe, since June, while also having the youngest population.

Its a double hit in a way

It wasn’t! There were some restrictions here. I’ve relatives in France, friends in Spain etc and various restrictions applied there rolling on a regional and local basis.

There’s a myth perpetuating online that’s the usual “only in Ireland”

Full lock down in France was also 100000 times worse than here. You had to fill in a form to walk the dog.
It was similar in Spain and the enforcement wasn’t “aargh now be careful there!” You were fined, prosecuted and arrested in exactly the same way they tend to enforce many things rather more heavy handedly than here.

Jim_Hodge · 10-10-2020 04:14PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Another protest?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1010/1170689-dublin-protests/

Sure was.

Loafing Oaf · 10-10-2020 04:15PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Another protest?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1010/1170689-dublin-protests/

smellyoldboot · 10-10-2020 04:16PM

Ah the oh so liberal and freedom loving "left" showing their true colours yet again.

stephenjmcd · 10-10-2020 04:16PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Another protest?

Not that many of them. Irish nationalist party with a counter demo from Antifa etc.

Handbags at one point but thats it.

Less than 200 from both sides

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2020 04:17PM

440Hertz wrote: »

It wasn’t! There were some restrictions here. I’ve relatives in France, friends in Spain etc and various restrictions applied there rolling on a regional and local basis.

There’s a myth perpetuating online that’s the usual “only in Ireland”

Full lock down in France was also 100000 times worse than here. You had to fill in a form to walk the dog!

Go away with your facts.

This nonsense that Ireland is somehow unique has been regurgitated since the start.

Pointless arguing the toss about it. They have their own alternative facts.

FintanMcluskey · 10-10-2020 04:18PM

440Hertz wrote: »

It wasn’t! There were some restrictions here. I’ve relatives in France, friends in Spain etc and various restrictions applied there rolling on a regional and local basis.

There’s a myth perpetuating online that’s the usual “only in Ireland”

Full lock down in France was also 100000 times worse than here. You had to fill in a form to walk the dog!

No you taking what you want and applying different time frames.

Bars and restaurants opened in Italy on June 3rd I think.

I think we could get a hair cut on June 29th.

All had some, Ireland had all for the Summer.

I will concede that large European cities were more restricted for a period last March, April and May but that stopped and normality mostly resumed for Summer.

Point being that public buy in doesnt last forever.

I hate doing this, linking the journal, but its shows results of an ERSI report which says " the ESRI report concludes that Ireland “ had one of the strictest and longest lockdowns” in Europe

https://www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-lockdown-economic-forecast-5226321-Oct2020/

I hope that puts to bed the notion that Ireland was not the most restricted nation this Summer.

tigger123 · 10-10-2020 04:18PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1010/1170689-dublin-protests/

Sure was.

Shower of f*cking twats.

Plumbthedepths · 10-10-2020 04:19PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Surely not another protest was allowed?

The right to protest is enshrined in the constitution. Whether one should or not is irrelevant.

Looney1 · 10-10-2020 04:21PM

Positivity rate for week gone up to 4.7. Must be over 5% for today.

mirrorwall14 · 10-10-2020 04:22PM

Looney1 wrote: »

Positivity rate for week gone up to 4.7. Must be over 5% for today.

It’s 6.13%

Looney1 · 10-10-2020 04:23PM

Jesus. How many swabs

Icyseanfitz · 10-10-2020 04:23PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The right to protest is enshrined in the constitution. Whether one should or not is irrelevant.

Really wouldn't have guessed that for a democratic nation :rolleyes: doesn't change the fact that they should all have been rounded up after and locked into a single building for 2 weeks, ****ing clowns.

caveat emptor · 10-10-2020 04:26PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not that many of them. Irish nationalist party with a counter demo from Antifa etc.

Handbags at one point but thats it.

Less than 200 from both sides

Devastated I missed it. Love a good protest. :pac:

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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