Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Boggles · 10-10-2020 11:52AM

normanoffside wrote: »

The modelling I am using is that many countries in western Europe have much worse rates and do not feel the need to lock down.

Well that isn't modelling, that's having a glance at what is happening in other countries and trying to shoehorn it into our situation.

tigger123 · 10-10-2020 11:53AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Our health service has been overrun for the last 30 years.

All the more reason to stem the tide of another onslaught into the health system.

Paddygreen · 10-10-2020 11:53AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Selective amnesia? A few months ago it was killing 40-50 per day in mid April, if you've forgotten. That's why the economy may close, not close because of how many it's currently killing daily

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah I did listen.
Western lockdowns cause untold poor health outcomes for the poor at home and all over the world.

We flattened the curve 6 months ago already and must look for other ways to deal with Covid now.

Two weeks to flatten the curve. Are we sure the curve is flattened guys? Nobody on RTE has said anything about the curve for months. Just wondering is the curve is still a thing??

Necro · 10-10-2020 11:54AM

rob316 wrote: »

In 2 weeks time the schools will be closed for 2, possibly 3 weeks I think that will be enough to buy us some time, combined with pubs and restaurants closed for indoor dining that would leave just non-essential retail which we know isn't a risk.

Yeah I think an extended midterm and move to Level 4 would be a smart move, cut out all un-necessary social interactions for 3 weeks and try to ride out the winter off that.

US2 · 10-10-2020 11:54AM

Interesting. Hospitalized cases only diagnosed when they get to hospital for different reasons. Wonder what the actual figure is here

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/half-covid-19-patients-hospital-4590843?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Paddygreen · 10-10-2020 11:55AM

tigger123 wrote: »

All the more reason to stem the tide of another onslaught into the health system.

Maybe the Hse should ban Tik Tok dance routines on their dime.

xhomelezz · 10-10-2020 11:57AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Maybe the Hse should ban Tik Tok dance routines on their dime.

Oh they not entitled for a break? I have two breaks a day at work..

rob316 · 10-10-2020 11:58AM

Necro wrote: »

Yeah I think an extended midterm and move to Level 4 would be a smart move, cut out all un-necessary social interactions for 3 weeks and try to ride out the winter off that.

Level 3 with schools closed for 3 weeks, pubs and restaurants outdoor only should be enough. Closing retail is both damaging and unnecessary.

10-10-2020 11:58AM

Dublin less then 1 on the 7 day rate of change

niallo27 · 10-10-2020 11:58AM

eagle eye wrote: »

How are you calling it the first option when we've let numbers get completely out of hand by not having any lockdown for months?

He was only back 5 minutes and he wanted a full lockdown, so do you think we should never have come out of the lockdown from June.

Patrick2010 · 10-10-2020 12:00PM

Indo article again saying schools don’t contribute to Covid spread but doesn’t explain how having maybe 1000 teenagers close together and going home to parents doesn’t spread the virus.
I’m not suggesting schools should close but why continue with the myth that the increased number of Covid cases after schools reopened is a coincidence

wadacrack · 10-10-2020 12:02PM

Looney1 wrote: »

very simple answer to this. testing is much more thorough now. 200 cases in march is probably the equivalent of 1500 now

Death and ICU are rising exponentially at the moment throughout Europe. Thats the most important trend to remember. Case counts differ from March for a multitude of reasons. The Positvity rate in March was as high as 20%, now its 4%

Boggles · 10-10-2020 12:05PM

niallo27 wrote: »

He was only back 5 minutes and he wanted a full lockdown

Pretty disingenuous TBF.

The recommendation came on the back of the 2 core priorities they were tasked with.

Keep schools and non covid health care opening and functioning.

Hardly "full lockdown".

niallo27 · 10-10-2020 12:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

Pretty disingenuous TBF.

The recommendation came on the back of the 2 core priorities they were tasked with.

Keep schools and non covid health care opening and functioning.

Hardly "full lockdown".

Level 5 is a full lockdown, nobody can argue with that. Unless you want some chinnese crap about locking people in homes.

Boggles · 10-10-2020 12:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Dublin less then 1 on the 7 day rate of change

Sorry what does the numbers on the left signify?

Why doesn't Donegal get a line?

Kermit.de.frog · 10-10-2020 12:08PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I see the World Health organisation are now strongly advising against lockdowns as they are having much graver impacts on health around the world.

Interesting to hear Nabarro agree with Gupta

https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1314573157827858434

That's not what he said.

Graces7 · 10-10-2020 12:08PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

This whole lockdown and restriction thing should be eased by next spring as the vaccine gets rolled out.

It is a learning experience for us all, not least the kids who are also coming through this.

If it adds to the robustness of society, and teaches us how to adapt to adversity, then no bad thing.

As a former teacher let me assure also that children will soon make up lost ground. Part of my work was with children who had missed many months of schooling because of serious illness or injury.

Go back to bedtime stories!

What is most important in the early years is literacy and numeracy and these can be kept alive and increasing at home. They are far more adaptable and flexible than us mere adults.

Boggles · 10-10-2020 12:09PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Level 5 is a full lockdown, nobody can argue with that. Unless you want some chinnese crap about locking people in homes.

Full Lockdown is schools and non covid health care shut down.

The 2 core priorities identified by government.

The recommendations were based on keeping them open.

1 million students attending school as normal however aspirational is not full lockdown.

Your memory isn't that short is it?

Wolf359f · 10-10-2020 12:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Dublin less then 1 on the 7 day rate of change

Here's hoping it stays under 1 and the rest of the country follow just as quickly.

normanoffside · 10-10-2020 12:10PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's still rising, do you not understand that?
It's not like it's falling. Clearly closing pubs and restaurants have helped but there is still a problem. We need to shut more things to flatten the curve.

Dublin's 14 day tend is downwards

https://twitter.com/_BenFinnegan/status/1314873899042123777

Graces7 · 10-10-2020 12:14PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

Sick of this sh1t. My mother is a short few years off 80. She walks miles every day. Loves style. Maintains a house including painting rooms when she gets the notion. Mows a half acre of lawn every week. Maintains her flowerbeds. Likes whiskey and wine and has a vast number of friends to whom she is always talking on the phone. Reads. Likes the news. Gives out vigorously about all the current affairs. Is hugely interested in her many grandchildren all of whom love her a lot.
This creeping casual eugenicism is disgusting actually. And I am fed up of it.

Well said! Your mother and I are of an age! Give her my best wishes please

TonyMaloney · 10-10-2020 12:15PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Here's hoping it stays under 1 and the rest of the country follow just as quickly.

With a backlog of potentially nearly 500 from the last two days, I wouldn't be as optimistic that Dublin has actually dropped under 1

smellyoldboot · 10-10-2020 12:15PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's not going to be a few months, certainly years before we know the long term effects so the majority of people are satisfied it's safe to take a vaccine.
It's one thing testing a vaccine on 30,000 volunteers, rolling it out from multiple manufacturers for 7.7 Billion people is whole different ball game. Covid will be here for a long time, normal life needs to resume for the people that want it to as soon as possible.

We don't need 7.7 Billion vaccines though. Our population is only about 4.5 million. That's all we need to worry about. Other countries citizens are other countries problem.

eagle eye · 10-10-2020 12:17PM

normanoffside wrote:

Dublin's 14 day tend is downwards

That link doesn't show a downward trend, it shows a slowing in increase but still going upwards.

Ficheall · 10-10-2020 12:17PM

polesheep wrote: »

We are all given a certain number of days on this planet and I will not sacrifice any of mine to extend yours.

I think they're asking you to stay home and watch netflix, as opposed to donate a kidney or something.

US2 · 10-10-2020 12:17PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Death and ICU are rising exponentially at the moment throughout Europe. Thats the most important trend to remember. Case counts differ from March for a multitude of reasons. The Positvity rate in March was as high as 20%, now its 4%

Do you know what exponentially means or do you just use that word cos you heard someone say it ? ICU numbers are not rising 'exponentially'

drunkmonkey · 10-10-2020 12:19PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

We don't need 7.7 Billion vaccines though. Our population is only about 4.5 million. That's all we need to worry about. Other countries citizens are other countries problem.

You'll be lucky if half take that, it's not going to end covid. Were betting the house it will which is crazy.

patnor1011 · 10-10-2020 12:19PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

We don't need 7.7 Billion vaccines though. Our population is only about 4.5 million. That's all we need to worry about. Other countries citizens are other countries problem.

Lol then by your logic we need much less than that. Only enough for lockdown brigade. Other people houses are other people problems, right?

Blondini · 10-10-2020 12:20PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

With a backlog of potentially nearly 500 from the last two days, I wouldn't be as optimistic that Dublin has actually dropped under 1

That backlog could make for a real shocker of a number soon..

caveat emptor · 10-10-2020 12:21PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Death and ICU are rising exponentially at the moment throughout Europe. Thats the most important trend to remember. Case counts differ from March for a multitude of reasons. The Positvity rate in March was as high as 20%, now its 4%

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. It's actually 5%.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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