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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Big Pearse is a great man for the suit.

    Then there’s all the lads in the white shirts and ties.

    What was the auld saying ....’You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.’.. was it.

    Again you are trying to defend this by pointing elsewhere. Shocking stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,860 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Typical answer again look over there are the shinners yet ignore everything else. Absolutely pathetic. SF are living rent free in your heads that you cant see what is going on around you.

    Do you think this is acceptable? Oh yeah and I will point out SF were not involved in this.

    https://twitter.com/BrianStanleyTD/status/1314223031716327425

    Here’s more of the faux horror at stuff like this, then throwing up the hands when someone counters with the stuff the Slab was up to.

    In your head SF can do no wrong and here’s the thing. Another little anecdote from the past ‘People in glasshouses..........’


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Typical answer again look over there are the shinners yet ignore everything else. Absolutely pathetic. SF are living rent free in your heads that you cant see what is going on around you.

    Do you think this is acceptable? Oh yeah and I will point out SF were not involved in this.

    https://twitter.com/BrianStanleyTD/status/1314223031716327425

    Another Twitter dump we are supposed to take at face value.

    No idea what you are talking about, no articles in mainstream media yet, not going to watch a video just because you post it.

    There might be something in what you say, but Brian Stanley is not a credible intelligent source, so will wait for something substantial before commenting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Here’s more of the faux horror at stuff like this, then throwing up the hands when someone counters with the stuff the Slab was up to.

    In your head SF can do no wrong and here’s the thing. Another little anecdote from the past ‘People in glasshouses..........’

    LOL and there you go again, pointing at SF. I do not support SF never have and never will unless they clean up their act but let me tell you that FF and FG are no shining lights of Law and order and as far as I am concerned they are as bad if not worse that SF. So you can point the finger at SF and make yourself feel better but that is not going to work and infact is now p**sing of people like me who want to a fairer country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,860 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Floppybits wrote: »
    So both Brendan and Blanch are condoning what went on in NAMA and yet have the audacity to keep pointing the finger at anyone else. Goes to show the hypocrisy. Suppose to virtues for law and order but as long as it is not their own. Disgusting.

    I don’t condone anyone breaking the law, a chara, so please point out where exactly I have done that and I will amend it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Big Pearse is a great man for the suit.

    Then there’s all the lads in the white shirts and ties.

    What was the auld saying ....’You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.’.. was it.

    Wonder what kind of suit he was wearing when he spotted that Mick Noonan needed a fresh batteries in his calculator brendy, hehe - measure twice - cut once, as my dear auld da would say. :D



    The phantom €2 billion: How everyone except Sinn Féin got the maths wrong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Another Twitter dump we are supposed to take at face value.

    No idea what you are talking about, no articles in mainstream media yet, not going to watch a video just because you post it.

    There might be something in what you say, but Brian Stanley is not a credible intelligent source, so will wait for something substantial before commenting.

    Hang on are you having a laugh, Did you look at the video from the Oireachtas or did you just wade in and make yourself look stupid. I would suggest you go and have a look at the video.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I don’t condone anyone breaking the law, a chara, so please point out where exactly I have done that and I will amend it.

    Yes you do by not addressing the issue and instead trying to point the finger at SF. Everytime you do that you are condoning the breaking of the law except if it involves SF or other less well off people but welfare fraud you want people shot for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Maybe if you realised that NPHET advise the Govt. and the Govt (who in case you’ve forgotten,have many more problems to consider)use that advice to plan their strategy taking all things into account.

    The govt are in charge and are quite entitled to adjust NPHETs advice taking the knock on effects for the whole country.

    There was no undermining of the CMOs credibility or authority.

    That has been made clear by both parties to the discussion.

    A few months ago you lads were all over these forums telling us that the government were following the medical advice and could do nothing about it...that was that.

    Which is it Brendi?



    Re: undermining the CMO and NPHET? Pull the other one...just because smarmy Leo has kissed and made up doesn't mean that the country wasn't agog when he had another little hissy fit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Hang on are you having a laugh, Did you look at the video from the Oireachtas or did you just wade in and make yourself look stupid. I would suggest you go and have a look at the video.

    I just told you I didn't look at the video. Listening to Brian Stanley or whoever pointificating at the Spanish inquisition also known as the PAC is not a fruitful use of my time. If someone substantial picks up on it, other than a no-mark Sinn Fein TD, I will pay attention.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I just told you I didn't look at the video. Listening to Brian Stanley or whoever pointificating at the Spanish inquisition also known as the PAC is not a fruitful use of my time. If someone substantial picks up on it, other than a no-mark Sinn Fein TD, I will pay attention.

    Are you for real? You are dismissing this because it doesn't suit you. So you condone this then. I must remember this when you start spouting your rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Are you for real? You are dismissing this because it doesn't suit you. So you condone this then. I must remember this when you start spouting your rubbish.

    I am not condoning anything.

    I am asking you to produce something concrete other than a video of something something at a PAC. I have little truck with the PAC, it is a vehicle for showboating for opposition TDs ad backbench government TDs, and too often, the issues it raises come to nothing because there is nothing of substance, only soundbites at it. John McGuinness was the worst chair of the PAC in living memory and has turned it into a joke whereby it does little by way of substantive work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,860 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Are you for real? You are dismissing this because it doesn't suit you. So you condone this then. I must remember this when you start spouting your rubbish.

    For Real.....!

    Making some very tenuous extrapolations there, a chara.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Floppybits wrote: »
    So both Brendan and Blanch are condoning what went on in NAMA and yet have the audacity to keep pointing the finger at anyone else. Goes to show the hypocrisy. Suppose to virtues for law and order but as long as it is not their own. Disgusting.

    Noonan was involved ,cult figure in FG, members will do anything to protect him,
    24 years ago last weekend since Bridget Mc Cole died


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am not condoning anything.

    I am asking you to produce something concrete other than a video of something something at a PAC. I have little truck with the PAC, it is a vehicle for showboating for opposition TDs ad backbench government TDs, and too often, the issues it raises come to nothing because there is nothing of substance, only soundbites at it. John McGuinness was the worst chair of the PAC in living memory and has turned it into a joke whereby it does little by way of substantive work.

    ...or you are deeply bitter because of your arrogant belief that FG should govern unfettered by any shred of accountability?

    If PAC found against a Shinner you'd be on here shouting about it's integrity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Ah look at the 2 lads bending over backwards not to condone the behaviour of what went on in NAMA but I bet if it was welfare fraud they would be on here giving it loads about how anyone committing welfare should be locked up.

    Again Blanch looking for evidence of this and evidence of that but ignores PAC which is made up all parties in the Dail Eireann, so basically what he is saying that he will dismiss anything from anyone unless it is favorable to the government or unless the government comment on it. Are you incapable of independent thought or are you involved with these parties that they you are afraid to say something that might damage you from getting on the gravy train?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Nobotty


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Hang on are you having a laugh, Did you look at the video from the Oireachtas or did you just wade in and make yourself look stupid. I would suggest you go and have a look at the video.

    I looked
    Its footage from 2019
    Why is he tweeting something from 2019 :???:
    Nama was selling stuff for thrupenny bits


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am not condoning anything.

    I am asking you to produce something concrete other than a video of something something at a PAC. I have little truck with the PAC, it is a vehicle for showboating for opposition TDs ad backbench government TDs, and too often, the issues it raises come to nothing because there is nothing of substance, only soundbites at it. John McGuinness was the worst chair of the PAC in living memory and has turned it into a joke whereby it does little by way of substantive work.

    To be fair it is not only Sinn Fein pointing at NAMA. Would take no notice if it was but there are several other reliable sources to dodgy and incompetent dealings and double dealings in NAMA.

    And the Sinn Fein smear campaign against Noonan is not going to progress any proper investigation. It will only make people think the NAMA issue is another Provo stunt and discard it.

    At least the Cushnahan charges are a start


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Truthvader wrote: »
    To be fair it is not only Sinn Fein pointing at NAMA. Would take no notice if it was but there are several other reliable sources to dodgy and incompetent dealings and double dealings in NAMA.

    And the Sinn Fein smear campaign against Noonan is not going to progress any proper investigation. It will only make people think the NAMA issue is another Provo stunt and discard it.

    At least the Cushnahan charges are a start

    I fully agree that there are questions to be asked about Nama, but PAC is no longer a suitable place for such questions.

    I also fully agree that the Sinn Fein smear campaign against Noonan is a distraction from the real issues, but Sinn Fein are never interested in the truth, they are only interested in heads on poles for whatever mob they are following this week.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I fully agree that there are questions to be asked about Nama, but PAC is no longer a suitable place for such questions.

    I also fully agree that the Sinn Fein smear campaign against Noonan is a distraction from the real issues, but Sinn Fein are never interested in the truth, they are only interested in heads on poles for whatever mob they are following this week.

    Benchmark it for us...which party is 'interested in the truth'?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Benchmark it for us...which party is 'interested in the truth'?

    The ones not pretending the PSNI robbed the Northern Bank


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    So let me get this right, someone pointed out the scandal that was NAMA and straight away the comebacks from the usual FF and FG lads here and Blanch the green is Sinn Féin


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    We are able to borrow at record low rates because we didnt burn the bondholders.

    Thank god we didnt listen to the idiots.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    So let me get this right, someone pointed out the scandal that was NAMA and straight away the comebacks from the usual FF and FG lads here and Blanch the green is Sinn Féin

    Maybe read the thread before throwing yourself onto the keyboard?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Some shocking stuff coming out of NAMA. A deal was done where no minutes or no records were kept and one of the people involved in the deal was playing both sides and NAMA think it was ok. But hey welface fraud cheats us all. We really do have our priorities screwed up in this country. Wear a suit and look respectable and you can get away all sorts but wear a tracksuit god help you. Rotten to the core. If they want to clean up fraud in this country it needs to start at the very top.

    Was it Noonan again? Hopefully we get some findings from the investigations outside of FG's reach.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Another Twitter dump we are supposed to take at face value.

    No idea what you are talking about, no articles in mainstream media yet, not going to watch a video just because you post it.

    There might be something in what you say, but Brian Stanley is not a credible intelligent source, so will wait for something substantial before commenting.

    Fingers in the ears 'la, la, la'? The video isn't some youtube rando. If it were in the mainstream media you'd have issue with the journo.

    FYI: it's verified that no minutes were taken and no written record kept. Oireachtas committee.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Nobotty wrote: »
    I looked
    Its footage from 2019
    Why is he tweeting something from 2019 :???:
    Nama was selling stuff for thrupenny bits

    Ah Botty, I think you need to go back and have a look at it. The footage is from now Oct 2020 but they are discussing NAMA's financial Report for 2019.

    I will accept your apology.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Truthvader wrote: »
    The ones not pretending the PSNI robbed the Northern Bank

    So no answer as usual from the TRUTHvader. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    For you botty, have a look at the date.

    https://youtu.be/stk178gziZ0 this was the 8/10/2020.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Floppybits wrote: »
    For you botty, have a look at the date.

    https://youtu.be/stk178gziZ0 this was the 8/10/2020.

    As I said, not going to look at some no-mark TD making a name for himself at the Spanish Inquisition. If some serious media pick up on it, I will comment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    blanch152 wrote: »
    As I said, not going to look at some no-mark TD making a name for himself at the Spanish Inquisition. If some serious media pick up on it, I will comment.

    So all TD's are out as a viable source. Some can you specify the serious media that you speak of?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    As I said, not going to look at some no-mark TD making a name for himself at the Spanish Inquisition. If some serious media pick up on it, I will comment.

    Fact, there were no minutes or notes taken. The NAMA chap concurred. Now you know. Any thoughts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Bowie wrote: »
    Fact, there were no minutes or notes taken. The NAMA chap concurred. Now you know. Any thoughts?

    Blanch has no thoughts unless told what to say. Sure he even rules out TD's now. Dying to know what the media is that he speaks off, probably the Journal or waterfordwhispers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Floppybits wrote: »
    So all TD's are out as a viable source. Some can you specify the serious media that you speak of?
    Bowie wrote: »
    Fact, there were no minutes or notes taken. The NAMA chap concoured. Now you know. Any thoughts?

    Ah lads, here, you can't call yourselves a reliable source!!

    As for TDs, I said no-mark TDs, I didn't say all TDs. For example if Violet or Reada said to do something, I would instantly be certain that it is probably the worst option available. On the otherhand, if someone like Richard Bruton or Michael McGrath or that new FG TD from Dun Laoghaire is talking, there might be something in what they are saying because they are fairly intelligent people with a good grasp of public affairs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Ah lads, here, you can't call yourselves a reliable source!!

    As for TDs, I said no-mark TDs, I didn't say all TDs. For example if Violet or Reada said to do something, I would instantly be certain that it is probably the worst option available. On the otherhand, if someone like Richard Bruton or Michael McGrath or that new FG TD from Dun Laoghaire is talking, there might be something in what they are saying because they are fairly intelligent people with a good grasp of public affairs.

    So tell what is a reliable source? Just spit it out, its not that hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Floppybits wrote: »
    So tell what is a reliable source? Just spit it out, its not that hard.

    So far the sources presented on this issue have been:

    1. Twitter
    2. A no-mark SF TD
    3. A likely tedious video with no summary of its content that I won't be bothered wasting my life looking at
    4. An anonymous poster on boards with a penchant for conspiracy theories


    If you can't see the problems with those sources, I can't help you any more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    blanch152 wrote: »
    So far the sources presented on this issue have been:

    1. Twitter
    2. A no-mark SF TD
    3. A likely tedious video with no summary of its content that I won't be bothered wasting my life looking at
    4. An anonymous poster on boards with a penchant for conspiracy theories


    If you can't see the problems with those sources, I can't help you any more.

    Stop going around the houses and say who are Your reputable sources? Come on just name them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Ah lads, here, you can't call yourselves a reliable source!!

    As for TDs, I said no-mark TDs, I didn't say all TDs. For example if Violet or Reada said to do something, I would instantly be certain that it is probably the worst option available. On the otherhand, if someone like Richard Bruton or Michael McGrath or that new FG TD from Dun Laoghaire is talking, there might be something in what they are saying because they are fairly intelligent people with a good grasp of public affairs.

    It's a clip from an Oireachtas committee where all sides agree no notes, minutes or records were taken of the deal. Do you want MM or LV to agree first?

    To be clear you are unwilling to acknowledge facts because it puts NAMA and FG in a bad light. That's the gist. All your blarney about no mark TD's etc. is pointless. Just an FYI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Bowie wrote: »
    It's a clip from an Oireachtas committee where all sides agree no notes, minutes or records were taken of the deal. Do you want MM or LV to agree first?

    To be clear you are unwilling to acknowledge facts because it puts NAMA and FG in a bad light. That's the gist. All your blarney about no mark TD's etc. is pointless. Just an FYI.

    He probably wants the Bishop to make a statement first. All this is is another avoidance tactic from Blanch. He has now dismissed the PAC and TD's and he won't name in black and white what he deems as credible sources. I mean if the Oireachtas and the C&AG report is not enough for him sure what can ya do.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    blanch152 wrote: »
    So far the sources presented on this issue have been:

    1. Twitter
    2. A no-mark SF TD
    3. A likely tedious video with no summary of its content that I won't be bothered wasting my life looking at
    4. An anonymous poster on boards with a penchant for conspiracy theories


    If you can't see the problems with those sources, I can't help you any more.

    Ive a source for you

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/nama-admits-deficiencies-in-sale-process-that-led-to-10m-loss-39603423.html


    Just so you cant say you dont use independent.ie as a source, il refer you to the below
    blanch152 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/kbc-fine-for-states-worst-robbery-will-be-passed-onto-customers-say-sinn-fein-39559985.html

    I see that Pearse has found a way to put his comrades' robbery of the Northern Bank into second place with his claims in the Dail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Ive a source for you

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/nama-admits-deficiencies-in-sale-process-that-led-to-10m-loss-39603423.html


    Just so you cant say you dont use independent.ie as a source, il refer you to the below

    He won't name what he thinks are reliable sources because he knows he won't have a leg to stand on. It suits him to throw up rubbish like he did above rather than come out and say well I would consider the independent as a reliable source, not many would, but he wont.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Floppybits wrote: »
    He won't name what he thinks are reliable sources because he knows he won't have a leg to stand on. It suits him to throw up rubbish like he did above rather than come out and say well I would consider the independent as a reliable source, not many would, but he wont.

    We wont hear from Blanch now for a day or 2, been caught out again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    We wont hear from Blanch now for a day or 2, been caught out again

    Imagine dismissing the PAC or the Oireachtas as a source or an elected TD to Dáil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    As I said, not going to look at some no-mark TD making a name for himself at the Spanish Inquisition. If some serious media pick up on it, I will comment.

    Stanley got more votes than Barry U-turn and Charlie tan man did combined.

    You're parody. :pac:

    IMG-20201009-161009.jpg


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Imagine dismissing the PAC or the Oireachtas as a source or an elected TD to Dáil.

    Like Leo on Monday, he lost it Kevin Keegan style


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Like Leo on Monday, he lost it Kevin Keegan style

    I think a few of them have lost it, sure you had Botty saying that the clip I posted was from 2019 and asking why was I posting a clip from 2019, of Blanchie boy liked that post, I had to point out to Botty that it was from 2 days ago. I think he has been switched off now. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Ive a source for you

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/nama-admits-deficiencies-in-sale-process-that-led-to-10m-loss-39603423.html


    Just so you cant say you dont use independent.ie as a source, il refer you to the below

    Well done, that wasn't too hard, was it?
    Floppybits wrote: »
    He won't name what he thinks are reliable sources because he knows he won't have a leg to stand on. It suits him to throw up rubbish like he did above rather than come out and say well I would consider the independent as a reliable source, not many would, but he wont.
    We wont hear from Blanch now for a day or 2, been caught out again
    Floppybits wrote: »
    Imagine dismissing the PAC or the Oireachtas as a source or an elected TD to Dáil.
    Like Leo on Monday, he lost it Kevin Keegan style
    Floppybits wrote: »
    I think a few of them have lost it, sure you had Botty saying that the clip I posted was from 2019 and asking why was I posting a clip from 2019, of Blanchie boy liked that post, I had to point out to Botty that it was from 2 days ago. I think he has been switched off now. :)

    As always, focussing on the poster, not what s/he posts, with the usual personal digs thrown in.
    Floppybits wrote: »
    Typical answer again look over there are the shinners yet ignore everything else. Absolutely pathetic. SF are living rent free in your heads that you cant see what is going on around you.

    Do you think this is acceptable? Oh yeah and I will point out SF were not involved in this.

    https://twitter.com/BrianStanleyTD/status/1314223031716327425

    So, getting back to the point originally raised, from what the article says, I agree SF were not involved in this, but neither it seems, were FF, FG, the Greens, SDs, Labour or even myself. It seems that the C&AG have taken to task an independent statutory body for mistakes that they made. It seems you only threw this out as a distraction.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Nobotty


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Ah Botty, I think you need to go back and have a look at it. The footage is from now Oct 2020 but they are discussing NAMA's financial Report for 2019.

    I will accept your apology.

    I see that now,I'd have seen it better if I had of played the video in full screen mode instead of small as all I could make out was the 2019 at the time
    No need for me to apologise, I only asked a question
    You answered
    Nothing wrong with Brian Stanley by the way,there's a prosecutors job lost in him

    I'm more interested today into why a close contact of a positive covid 19 case has not been tested yet 9 days after the contact: personal experience
    Little wonder cases are rising :mad:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Stanley got more votes than Barry U-turn and Charlie tan man did combined.

    You're parody. :pac:

    IMG-20201009-161009.jpg

    I see a single SF vote there, but a combined FF vote way higher.
    It's, easy to be the king when you're the only person in the kingdom.


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