Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Blondini · 09-10-2020 12:49PM

Can we open a special Comical Ali thread for certain posters?

brick tamland · 09-10-2020 12:53PM

stockshares wrote: »

Thanks

So as of 8pm last night:

280 total critical care beds
36 free
244 occupied
171 are covid cases
73 are other illness cases

So already Covid is taking up over 2/3rds of our critical care beds

Agh come on ffs

10% of ICU beds are Covid not 2/3rds, its not that hard

09-10-2020 12:56PM

Blondini wrote: »

Can we open a special Comical Ali thread for certain posters?

Is it possible to address the content of a post and express your view as to why it may be wrong rather than engage in ridicule when your opinion is challenged?

landofthetree · 09-10-2020 12:58PM

Basically its lockdown till May. No movement outside of 2km of your home. (My opinion)

We blew it. Well certain assholes did like the GAA clowns and the house party fools.Most restrictions in Europe and our hospitals are on the brink.

The only question is what the government will do with the following.

Schools
Universities
Construction sites
Retailers(non food)
Barbers/Hairdressers

stockshares · 09-10-2020 01:00PM

brick tamland wrote: »

Agh come on ffs

10% of ICU beds are Covid not 2/3rds, its not that hard

I was reading it as 171 hospital cases were all in critical care .

funnydoggy · 09-10-2020 01:04PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Basically its lockdown till May. No movement outside of 2km of your home. (My opinion)

We blew it. Well certain assholes did like the GAA clowns and the house party fools.Most restrictions in Europe and our hospitals are on the brink.

The only question is what the government will do with the following.

Schools
Universities
Construction sites
Retailers(non food)
Barbers/Hairdressers

Barbers/salons/retail is next I'd imagine

TonyMaloney · 09-10-2020 01:04PM

Scotland: 1,246 new cases, 6 deaths

440 in Greater Glasgow and Clyde

bb1234567 · 09-10-2020 01:05PM

I don't think retail will ever be closed again, probably just much stricter rules on number who can enter

Boggles · 09-10-2020 01:07PM

An estimated one in 240 people in England were infected with coronavirus after cases "increased rapidly" at the end of September, data from the Office of National Statistics shows.

The ONS estimates that 17,200 people a day were being infected in homes in England between September 25 and October 1, with the highest rates in the North East, North West and Yorkshire and The Humber.

This is a "marked increase" from an estimated 8,400 new cases per day for the previous week, the ONS said.

The figures come as science advisers warn hospital admissions are "very close" to levels in early March and ministers say cases are "getting out of control".

a raft of rules to combat coronavirus and said pubs and restaurants would close at 22:00 from Thursday.

Closing the pubs at 10 didn't work.

No one saw that coming.

Deusexmachina · 09-10-2020 01:08PM

Boggles wrote: »

That would appear to be what you are doing, oddly.

I used your link.

6 stories 4 about Covid in the headlines.

I really don't want to get into a petty argument with you. My point was that Irish media is obsessing about Covid while in the rest of Europe (mostly) it is not as dominant a story.

To support this, I shared the headlines from a number of European newspapers. Only the Spanish one had Covid as the main headline, the rest were focused elsewhere.

I then conceded that this is by no means an exhaustive sample. I also stated that every newspaper had Covid stories somewhere in the paper.

To quote Dan Power, for example (in yesterday's Indo):

Most people have access to Euronews, the Europe-wide TV news channel. Have you watched it lately? If you haven't, you should. It is not only horizon-broadening, it provides a welcome break from Covid coverage.

Yesterday morning its top three headline stories were: riots in Athens following the banning of an extremist political party; debate in the European Parliament on measures to curb climate change; and a Facebook ban on conspiracy theorists using its platform.

There was no mention of Covid-19. That is not unusual, as the station does not obsess about the virus. Nor does Euronews routinely give daily figures on coronavirus infection rates and deaths across the continent, despite the rest of the EU on average having a higher incidence of both than Ireland.

Thierry12 · 09-10-2020 01:09PM

stockshares wrote: »

I was reading it as 171 hospital cases were all in critical care .

GP's getting lazy again sending people to hospital

Year 2020, Ireland's virus treatment regimen

Take paracetamol, if no improvement and still sick go and clog up packed hospital's, who will give you the same medicine a GP can prescribe you

eagle eye · 09-10-2020 01:10PM

bb1234567 wrote:

I don't think retail will ever be closed again, probably just much stricter rules on number who can enter

Well this myth that workers don't have to wear masks behind a screen has to stop.

xhomelezz · 09-10-2020 01:11PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

GP's getting lazy again sending people to hospital

Year 2020, Ireland's virus treatment regimen

Take paracetamol, if no improvement and still sick go and clog up packed hospital's, who will give you the same medicine a GP can prescribe you

Sound advice

prunudo · 09-10-2020 01:11PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

I don't think retail will ever be closed again, probably just much stricter rules on number who can enter

Hope you're right, same goes for outdoor workers too.

stockshares · 09-10-2020 01:12PM

brick tamland wrote: »

Agh come on ffs

10% of ICU beds are Covid not 2/3rds, its not that hard

Sorry I was reading it as the 171 were in Critical Care. Are the figures below correct?

So as of 8pm last night:

171 Covid cases in hospital in Covid Wards, not in critical care.

280 total critical care beds
36 free
244 occupied
217 in ICU are as a result of other Illnesses
27 in UCU are Covid cases
17 on Ventilators

Are the 17 on Ventilators Covid only?

Do all Critical Care beds contain Ventilators or are the Ventilator beds counted separately?

Funsterdelux · 09-10-2020 01:13PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I really don't want to get into a petty argument with you. My point was that Irish media is obsessing about Covid while in the rest of Europe (mostly) it is not as dominant a story.

To support this, I shared the headlines from a number of European newspapers. Only the Spanish one had Covid as the main headline, the rest were focused elsewhere.

I then conceded that this is by no means an exhaustive sample. I also stated that every newspaper had Covid stories somewhere in the paper.

To quote Dan Power, for example (in yesterday's Indo):

Most people have access to Euronews, the Europe-wide TV news channel. Have you watched it lately? If you haven't, you should. It is not only horizon-broadening, it provides a welcome break from Covid coverage.

Yesterday morning its top three headline stories were: riots in Athens following the banning of an extremist political party; debate in the European Parliament on measures to curb climate change; and a Facebook ban on conspiracy theorists using its platform.

There was no mention of Covid-19. That is not unusual, as the station does not obsess about the virus. Nor does Euronews routinely give daily figures on coronavirus infection rates and deaths across the continent, despite the rest of the EU on average having a higher incidence of both than Ireland.

Sounds like a valid concern

Maybe contact the PRESS Ombudsman

caveat emptor · 09-10-2020 01:17PM

seamus wrote: »

The schools issue is that there are a core of people who insist that the only reason numbers are increasing, is because the schools are open.

And the same people insist that we must close schools now and keep them closed until a vaccine arrives.

The counter argument is not that it doesn't spread in schools, but that the data does not support the assertion that schools are the primary vector, or even a major vector.

Even if schools were a major vector, closing them for 12-18 months is an insanely drastic step, unnecessary at our current infection rates.

Séamus, I don’t think anybody is saying ‘it’s only because of schools’ and ‘close them until a vaccine arrives’

Every person to person contact is the issue. We can’t reduce risk to zero. We are all responsible. Some settings are more difficult than others. IMHO Schools can be hidden reservoir of the virus. I base this on two facts.

Kids get much milder disease
There are probably more kids asymptomatic

So when numbers and pressure arrives on hospitals and ICU etc it looks like it’s out of nowhere.

That’s 100% speculation so no need to get angry anyone.

Beasty · 09-10-2020 01:18PM

Blondini wrote: »

Can we open a special Comical Ali thread for certain posters?

You might find yourself in it for this type of comment

Now discuss the topic and not other users or you will be threadbanned

stephenjmcd · 09-10-2020 01:19PM

stockshares wrote: »

Thanks

So as of 8pm last night:

280 total critical care beds
36 free
244 occupied
171 are covid cases
73 are other illness cases

So already Covid is taking up over 2/3rds of our critical care beds

No thats not right at all. Full breakdown in HSE ops report

drunkmonkey · 09-10-2020 01:19PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well this myth that workers don't have to wear masks behind a screen has to stop.

They need to be banned, every single f'n person who has to talk regularly is touching the front of them trying to adjust them. Your safer with them behind a screen with no mask than you are with someone touching them constantly behind a screen.

Seamai · 09-10-2020 01:19PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

It’s time for an 8 foot high Perspex wall along the border. Kind of a partition.
When the winds coming from the north it’s bringing aerosols and molecules.

Sacrilege! You can't talk about the sacred cow like that!
Heard someone on Morning Ireland this am (Colm Henry?) saying that a Garda could turn back someone from leaving Donegal, or anywhere else for that matter but not someone from the north from crossing the border and travelling to Dingle, what a farce!

Drumpot · 09-10-2020 01:19PM

I was just talking with somebody there who has been in hospital for weeks (over a month) for a completely unrelated condition to COVID. They caught the virus while in hospital. 3 of the people in the ward where they caught the virus died.

They were telling me about how they have had to watch them roll people over onto their bellies (prone) and they were waiting for the same thing to happen to them. They haven't seen any of their family for weeks, they cant even have visitors.

I think its quite easy to look at statistics and figures and get the impression that its telling you everything you need to know about the virus. There is people behind these statistics and there are families of these people behind these statistics.

walshb · 09-10-2020 01:20PM

I think Stephen Donnelly is coming out of this the worst....he comes across as a real spoofer, and takes umbrage when pulled up on it...an arrogance about the man

Ger Roe · 09-10-2020 01:20PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I really don't want to get into a petty argument with you. My point was that Irish media is obsessing about Covid while in the rest of Europe (mostly) it is not as dominant a story.

To support this, I shared the headlines from a number of European newspapers. Only the Spanish one had Covid as the main headline, the rest were focused elsewhere.

I then conceded that this is by no means an exhaustive sample. I also stated that every newspaper had Covid stories somewhere in the paper.

To quote Dan Power, for example (in yesterday's Indo):

Most people have access to Euronews, the Europe-wide TV news channel. Have you watched it lately? If you haven't, you should. It is not only horizon-broadening, it provides a welcome break from Covid coverage.

Yesterday morning its top three headline stories were: riots in Athens following the banning of an extremist political party; debate in the European Parliament on measures to curb climate change; and a Facebook ban on conspiracy theorists using its platform.

There was no mention of Covid-19. That is not unusual, as the station does not obsess about the virus. Nor does Euronews routinely give daily figures on coronavirus infection rates and deaths across the continent, despite the rest of the EU on average having a higher incidence of both than Ireland.

So, if I don't want to know about what is going on in my own country, I can watch Euronews - good to know.

But .... taking a break from reality, doesn't make it less real. At the moment, like it , or not, it covid and it's associated restrictions has a major influence on my life, so I will stick with knowing as much as possible about the ongoing and constantly changing developments.

stockshares · 09-10-2020 01:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No thats not right at all

I've corrected it above in post number #4998

Rx713B · 09-10-2020 01:21PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I was just talking with somebody there who has been in hospital for weeks (over a month) for a completely unrelated condition to COVID. They caught the virus while in hospital. 3 of the people in the ward where they caught the virus died.

They were telling me about how they have had to watch them roll people over onto their bellies (prone) and they were waiting for the same thing to happen to them. They haven't seen any of their family for weeks, they cant even have visitors.

I think its quite easy to look at statistics and figures and get the impression that its telling you everything you need to know about the virus. There is people behind these statistics and there are families of these people behind these statistics.

Jesus that's awful - god help them

xhomelezz · 09-10-2020 01:21PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They need to be banned, every single f'n person who has to talk regularly is touching the front of them trying to adjust them. Your safer with them behind a screen with no mask than you are with someone touching them constantly behind a screen.

I can speak and don't touch the mask, it's actually very simple, try it yourself.

Boggles · 09-10-2020 01:21PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I really don't want to get into a petty argument with you. My point was that Irish media is obsessing about Covid while in the rest of Europe (mostly) it is not as dominant a story.

To support this, I shared the headlines from a number of European newspapers. Only the Spanish one had Covid as the main headline, the rest were focused elsewhere.

I then conceded that this is by no means an exhaustive sample. I also stated that every newspaper had Covid stories somewhere in the paper.

To quote Dan Power, for example (in yesterday's Indo):

Most people have access to Euronews, the Europe-wide TV news channel. Have you watched it lately? If you haven't, you should. It is not only horizon-broadening, it provides a welcome break from Covid coverage.

Yesterday morning its top three headline stories were: riots in Athens following the banning of an extremist political party; debate in the European Parliament on measures to curb climate change; and a Facebook ban on conspiracy theorists using its platform.

There was no mention of Covid-19. That is not unusual, as the station does not obsess about the virus. Nor does Euronews routinely give daily figures on coronavirus infection rates and deaths across the continent, despite the rest of the EU on average having a higher incidence of both than Ireland.

Main headline on Euronews right now.

Spanish government declares state of emergency in Madrid after court rejects partial lockdown

Sub heading.

Coronavirus second wave: Which countries in Europe are experiencing a fresh spike in COVID-19 cases?

You are not getting into a petty argument with me, you are doing so with yourself and your own examples.

stephenjmcd · 09-10-2020 01:22PM

stockshares wrote: »

Sorry I was reading it as the 171 were in Critical Care. Are the figures below correct?

So as of 8pm last night:

171 Covid cases in hospital in Covid Wards, not in critical care.

280 total critical care beds
36 free
244 occupied
217 in ICU are as a result of other Illnesses
27 in UCU are Covid cases
17 on Ventilators

Are the 17 on Ventilators Covid only?

Do all Critical Care beds contain Ventilators or are the Ventilator beds counted separately?

The 171 is inclusive of ICU.

Take the ICU number away from 171 and you get the numbers in general beds.

Its in the HSE ops report stating how many are covid in ICU and how many Covid paitents are on ventilators

khalessi · 09-10-2020 01:22PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They need to be banned, every single f'n person who has to talk regularly is touching the front of them trying to adjust them. Your safer with them behind a screen with no mask than you are with someone touching them constantly behind a screen.

As long as you wash your hands and sanitise regularly it is ok to touch your mask to fix it.

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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