Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

GooglePlus · 09-10-2020 11:05AM

It spreads via humans regardless of setting.

Boggles · 09-10-2020 11:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have never said or implied that once. I have said school is representative of the community situation, and as such following rather than leading the national picture. But by all means continue to misrepresent if it allows you to continue to tell yourself you are always right

You are getting emotive, so we will leave it there.

I'll post up what I said yesterday.

Boggles wrote: »

Translates as we have no sort of surveillance in either so we don't have a Scooby.

But Prof Nolan will be on twitter in 3 weeks explaining to us all why we have to close schools.

09-10-2020 11:09AM

Blondini wrote: »

On two threads, on hundreds of occasions. Obsession.

The obsession is the desire to continuously lay the blame for the current case load at the feet of schools without evidence. Provide the evidence and I will look at it, but facts seem thin on the ground with some who rely on conjecture and poorly thought out correlations.

I get it, if one doesn't understand growth rates it looks like the case level is increasing at a faster pace. But the reality it isn't.

Deusexmachina · 09-10-2020 11:11AM

Boggles wrote: »

I just fact checked one at random, because I couldn't be arséd.

4 stories popped straight up on the Swedish one about Covid.

IT's a big deal, world wide. Accept it or move on.

Don't like listening to views that differ from your own? Isn't that the point of a discussion board?

stockshares · 09-10-2020 11:15AM

179 in hospital as of 8am this morning.

27 in ICU as of 8pm last night.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1314499751300210688?s=19

AlphaDelta1 · 09-10-2020 11:16AM

All the talk of schools is a bit weird. The virus spreads when humans are in close contact with each other, it's that simple. Schools, pubs, restaurants it makes no difference the virus doesn't care.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 09-10-2020 11:17AM

stockshares wrote: »

179 in hospital
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1314499751300210688?s=19

Icu numbers for the morning due soon. Rise in hsopitalisations is what it is and we have to be concerned about them.

I wonder how they compare to the nephet modeling referred to when they recommended phase 5.

bb1234567 · 09-10-2020 11:18AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Where is the evidence that March will happen?

No one is dieing

How are we going back to 50 a day dieing?

Show me your evidence of this incoming death

Czech Republic had 5000 cases yesterday and no one dieing there

Over 100,000 cases there now, thousands being added every day and 800 death's total

What the **** is going on there?

Seems as doctors like yourself know much

Czech rep has higher number in icu per capita now at the beginning of their outbreak than we did at our highest in April. Definitely not a situation to be looked at as positive at the moment

Gods Gift · 09-10-2020 11:19AM

It’s time for an 8 foot high Perspex wall along the border. Kind of a partition.
When the winds coming from the north it’s bringing aerosols and molecules.

Icyseanfitz · 09-10-2020 11:21AM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

All the talk of schools is a bit weird. The virus spreads when humans are in close contact with each other, it's that simple. Schools, pubs, restaurants it makes no difference the virus doesn't care.

exactly, students are humans aged between 4-19, they are just as likely to spread this ****ing virus as anyone else

Paddygreen · 09-10-2020 11:21AM

Didn’t hear about heberon alfa r on RTE guys. Must get my hands on some.

Supercell · 09-10-2020 11:22AM

stockshares wrote: »

179 in hospital as if 8am this morning.

27 in ICU as of 8pm last night.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1314499751300210688?s=19

Whatever about the asymptomatic positive test results and the debate that sparks, those graphs of hospitalisations are very concerning it has to be said, the trend is blindingly obvious.

JP Liz V1 · 09-10-2020 11:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

With numpties like this we don’t really have much of a chance do we?

'A family who were supposed to be isolating were out, calling taxis, shopping, with not even a mask on' - GPs see worrying trends at ground level

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/a-family-who-were-supposed-to-be-isolating-were-out-calling-taxis-shopping-with-not-even-a-mask-on-gps-see-worrying-trends-at-ground-level-39603738.html

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There should be some punishment, high fines

Deleted User wrote: »

Totally - and publicity- there has to be a downside to non compliance -

drunkmonkey wrote: »

For not having anything wrong with you, they were giving out about someone with a negative test result being in a shopping center.
Is it any wonder people aren't going for tests, two weeks isolation is almost impossible for a lot of families.
Making more rules and laws will put even more people off getting tested, why would you even bother putting yourself or your family through that.
If there going to do anything they should stop paying GP's for referrals for Covid tests without any due diligence.

If you are waiting on a result or are positive, you need to restrict movements to essential only or stay at home isolating

The test is free

Isn't getting the test in everyone's interest

PUP pay should cover if no sick pay from work

09-10-2020 11:22AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

But schools don't make the spread worse is what you said?

Growth rates have not increased post return to schools, and proportion of cases in 5-14 year olds has actually decreased, with the positive rates in these age groups far lower than the overall number. These are facts. I am open to being provided with alternative data that disproves my point however on the other side is just conjecture "1 million kids returned to school so it must have driven increase", and the absence of other supporting data is put down to a conspiracy .

And I continue to challenge it as this conjecture is repeated daily as if its established fact, when the Chief Clinical officer of the HSE among others, align with my viewpoint

Gruffalux · 09-10-2020 11:23AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Well i dunno about you, but Ive been sick of talking about the weather for the last few decades.

And we could be talking ad nauseum about Brexit and Donald Trump..

Boggles · 09-10-2020 11:23AM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Don't like listening to views that differ from your own? Isn't that the point of a discussion board?

That would appear to be what you are doing, oddly.

I used your link.

6 stories 4 about Covid in the headlines.

Alpha99 · 09-10-2020 11:23AM

I wonder if there are statistics published anywhere which give a month by month breakdown of deaths in Ireland so that January, February, March, April etc. of 2019 can be compared to the same months in 2020.

As per gov.ie/en/publication/20f2e0-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus-since-january-2020 there had been 1375 deaths as at 06/05/20 and the mean age was 82 (not the median age which was 84). I found this to be very reassuring, as it coincides with (and probably exceeds) the average life expectancy in Ireland which was 78.4 for men and 82.8 for women in Ireland (as per the CSO).

These are the only statistics available and which I can find that undermine the suggestion that this is a deadly disease.

A month to month breakdown would enable the "organic" numbers of expected deaths with the number of deaths that are actually happening in the midst of the pandemic. The lack of transparency and non-availability of such statistics is disgraceful, and the hysteria seems to be unjustified.

Have our politicians euthanised the economy and changed our way of life for nothing?

It is always a great sadness when a person dies, regardless of their age. It's not about that. From the very scant statistical information available in Ireland, it looks like CoronaVirus is a negligible factor which has be exaggerated, and should does not justify the hysteria or peoples businesses and lives being ruined.

Funsterdelux · 09-10-2020 11:26AM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

All the talk of schools is a bit weird. The virus spreads when humans are in close contact with each other, it's that simple. Schools, pubs, restaurants it makes no difference the virus doesn't care.

Would you surmise that the virus has no emotions?

landofthetree · 09-10-2020 11:26AM

Alpha99 wrote: »

I wonder if there are statistics published anywhere which give a month by month breakdown of deaths in Ireland so that January, February, March, April etc. of 2019 can be compared to the same months in 2020.

As per gov.ie/en/publication/20f2e0-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus-since-january-2020 there had been 1375 deaths as at 06/05/20 and the mean age was 82 (not the median age which was 84). I found this to be very reassuring, as it coincides with (and probably exceeds) the average life expectancy in Ireland which was 78.4 for men and 82.8 for women in Ireland (as per the CSO).

These are the only statistics available and which I can find that undermine the suggestion that this is a deadly disease.

A month to month breakdown would enable the "organic" numbers of expected deaths with the number of deaths that are actually happening in the midst of the pandemic. The lack of transparency and non-availability of such statistics is disgraceful, and the hysteria seems to be unjustified.

Have our politicians euthanised the economy and changed our way of life for nothing?

It is always a great sadness when a person dies, regardless of their age. It's not about that. From the very scant statistical information available in Ireland, it looks like CoronaVirus is a negligible factor which has be exaggerated, and should does not justify the hysteria or peoples businesses and lives being ruined.

A UCC staff member has done it.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/seamuscoffey/status/1314222366885642240

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 11:28AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Christ almighty !
Those people who " are just not scared anymore " and partying are the ones who will close the fvcking economy

The government are closing the economy, no one else. Over a disease with a current death rate of 0.23 people per day.

Boggles · 09-10-2020 11:30AM

Alpha99 wrote: »

It is always a great sadness when a person dies, regardless of their age. It's not about that. From the very scant statistical information available in Ireland, it looks like CoronaVirus is a negligible factor which has be exaggerated, and should does not justify the hysteria or peoples businesses and lives being ruined.

What about business owners who have died.

Double Whammy?

Gruffalux · 09-10-2020 11:33AM

We could serve beer in schools?

bb1234567 · 09-10-2020 11:34AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The government are closing the economy, no one else. Over a disease with a current death rate of 0.23 people per day.

Selective amnesia? A few months ago it was killing 40-50 per day in mid April, if you've forgotten. That's why the economy may close, not close because of how many it's currently killing daily

xhomelezz · 09-10-2020 11:34AM

Boggles wrote: »

What about business owners who have died.

Double Whammy?

Probably died of hysteria, since covid is fake news by some, there's no other explanation.

petes · 09-10-2020 11:36AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The government are closing the economy, no one else. Over a disease with a current death rate of 0.23 people per day.

So the people not following the guidelines have nothing to do with it?

Drumpot · 09-10-2020 11:40AM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

All the talk of schools is a bit weird. The virus spreads when humans are in close contact with each other, it's that simple. Schools, pubs, restaurants it makes no difference the virus doesn't care.

I agree about schools, but I think the problem people are having is that the authorities are going to great lengths to make it sound like schools are kind of like a cocooned environment when it comes to the virus.

There is no definitive evidence that Children spread the virus any less then adults. It is really that simple, so I do not understand why the authorities and some people have gotten it in their heads that this is an irrefutable notion that doesn't need to be explored.

Schools being open, for the good of mental health and economy is a reasonable reason to keep them open. But that doesn't mean you should lie about the impact they are having on the spread. They even insinuate that a schoolchild getting COVID is probably more likely to bring it into the school, as opposed to getting it from school. But then they don't supply any data or research or scientific explanation as to why this is the case.

I am always cynical of statements that may be popular and may really suit the authorities, that are sparse on cold hard facts and are communicated more in a subjective manner.

Paddygreen · 09-10-2020 11:43AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Selective amnesia? A few months ago it was killing 40-50 per day in mid April, if you've forgotten. That's why the economy may close, not close because of how many it's currently killing daily

Closing the economy would be grand, no bother at all, lenders are throwing money at the Irish government like confetti, what could possibly go wrong, it’s a cash bonanza, no strings attached, sweet deal, everything will be absolutely fine. Those losing businesses that in some cases took many decades of hard work to build up from scratch just need to get over it for the greater good, so do their employees, these are sobering times as the pundits in the media keep saying, they need to and reskill like Heather Humphreys said instead of boring us with their hard luck stories.

seamus · 09-10-2020 11:45AM

landofthetree wrote: »

Why do it on a county basis?

Why not do it on a hospital catchment basis?

Same reason we don't do it on an electoral area basis, or a parish basis, or a school catchment basis:

Because nobody knows those borders. If someone said, "The Tallaght Hospital catchment area is being placed on level 5", nobody would have a clue who is or isn't under level 5.

County boundaries are well marked and well known. Outside of locking down individual streets, it's the only way to do it.

Even townland boundaries are unknown.

Supercell wrote: »

Whatever about the asymptomatic positive test results and the debate that sparks, those graphs of hospitalisations are very concerning it has to be said, the trend is blindingly obvious.

About 20% per day. It'll be over 200 tomorrow, probably over 30 in ICU.

Boggles · 09-10-2020 11:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Growth rates have not increased post return to schools

Just going to leave this here. Thanks again to Seamus.

Gods Gift · 09-10-2020 11:45AM

Gruffalux wrote: »

We could serve beer in schools?

Think I’ll repeat the leaving.
#wetschools

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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