Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

is_that_so · 09-10-2020 08:27AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/morningireland/status/1314465268354232322

This is what we need to hear day and night for the next 10 days/three weeks - last chance before we head back toward March.

Thierry12 · 09-10-2020 08:28AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That article seems to have been written by an eminent scientist, but also seems to have fundamentally misunderstood the vaccie trial designs, so much so that it needed the below correction

Eg. the trial cant be judged successful for efficacy unless it is confirmed that a certain percentage of those in the trial have been exposed to the virus. Its why they give it to thousands, to ensure they get a number of exposures.

Seems pretty clear to me

A vaccine injected will not stop you getting infected with Covid 19, it will help you survive and not get very sick, but not stop the infection

Seems more like a pre treatment than a vaccine to me

Vaccine given through nasal passage not the muscle seems to be needed to stop infection

Thierry12 · 09-10-2020 08:32AM

is_that_so wrote: »

This is what we need to hear day and night for the next 10 days/three weeks - last chance before we head back toward March.

Where is the evidence that March will happen?

No one is dieing

How are we going back to 50 a day dieing?

Show me your evidence of this incoming death

Czech Republic had 5000 cases yesterday and no one dieing there

Over 100,000 cases there now, thousands being added every day and 800 death's total

What the **** is going on there?

Seems as doctors like yourself know much

JP Liz V1 · 09-10-2020 08:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

With numpties like this we don’t really have much of a chance do we?

'A family who were supposed to be isolating were out, calling taxis, shopping, with not even a mask on' - GPs see worrying trends at ground level

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/a-family-who-were-supposed-to-be-isolating-were-out-calling-taxis-shopping-with-not-even-a-mask-on-gps-see-worrying-trends-at-ground-level-39603738.html

There should be some punishment, high fines

is_that_so · 09-10-2020 08:38AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Where is the evidence that March will happen?

No one is dieing

How are we going back to 50 a day dieing?

Show me your evidence of this incoming death

Czech Republic had 5000 cases yesterday and no one dieing there

Over 100,000 cases there now, thousands being added every day and 800 death's total

What the **** is going on there?

Seems as doctors like yourself know much

March in terms of restrictions, that's Level 5. Chill out there and stop swinging for posters out of your own sense of frustration.

09-10-2020 08:38AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There has never been a vaccine for any Coronavirus. We are not, as a civilisation, technically advanced enough to do what is being claimed. It's that simple. Some want to believe it and govts are happy to enhance claims to keep up morale. It's not going to happen.

I'll repeat what I posted last week:

This has been said several times before and it's not accurate. First of all we have developed coronavirus vaccines for animals. There are vaccines for cows, dogs and cats.

Secondly most coronaviruses cause only mild symptoms so it makes little practical sense to invest so much time and money into making a vaccine for something that only causes issues for a tiny minority of people. An effort was made for SARS but the virus was eradicated so it became redundant. As for MERS that only causes about 200 cases per year in the Middle East so funding one is not a priority sadly. Incidentally some of the research for SARS and MERS has been reused in the creation of the current vaccine.

Thirdly there are 7 coronaviruses know to infect humans. 6 of them have been discovered since 2002. Our knowledge of them is still relatively new.

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 08:40AM

Eod100 wrote: »

That green list didn't last long

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1314238682182774784

Green list doesn’t matter anymore. The Government of Ireland stated in the High Court last week that there are no restrictions on where people can fly and absolutely no imperative to quarantine.

xhomelezz · 09-10-2020 08:40AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Where is the evidence that March will happen?

No one is dieing

How are we going back to 50 a day dieing?

Show me your evidence of this incoming death

Czech Republic had 5000 cases yesterday and no one dieing there

Over 100,000 cases there now, thousands being added every day and 800 death's total

What the **** is going on there?

Seems as doctors like yourself know much

Bullshīt

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/czech-republic/

Over 1700 hospitalisations and over 360 in ICU.

stephenjmcd · 09-10-2020 08:41AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

This Forbes article re vaccines in development is quite concerning.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Their interim analysis data are based on small numbers and success in primary analysis is just 60%:
“ For Johnson & Johnson, their interim analysis includes 77 vaccine recipients, with a success margin of 18 or less developing symptoms compared to 59 in the control group. For AstraZeneca, their interim analysis includes 50 vaccine recipients, with a success margin of 12 or less developing symptoms compared to 19 in the 25 person control group. Pfizer is even smaller in its success requirements. Their initial group includes 32 vaccine recipients, with a success margin of 7 or less developing symptoms compared to 25 in the control group.

The primary analyses are a bit more expanded, but need to be less efficacious for success: about sixty percent.”

It also goes on to say, the aim of vaccine trials is not to prevent severe Covid cases:

“ It appears that all the pharmaceutical companies assume that the vaccine will never prevent infection. Their criteria for approval is the difference in symptoms between an infected control group and an infected vaccine group. They do not measure the difference between infection and noninfection as a primary motivation.”

Waiting on one of these vaccines while throwing our way of life under the bus is a huge mistake in my opinion. We need to learn to live with this for the time being and protect those at risk until more reliable treatment comes on stream.

Did people not realise that the primary aim of vaccine was to limit the impact.

Oxford for example looks like it'll protect the lungs, it may not stop you from getting covid but has been compared to limiting the effects to that of a head cold.

That would be perfectly acceptable to return to normal life

shinzon · 09-10-2020 08:43AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

No one is dieing

“In August, 4 COVID-19 related deaths in total were reported, 34 in September and today on the 7 of October we report 8 COVID-19 related deaths this month.”

Wrong

Shin

stephenjmcd · 09-10-2020 08:43AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There has never been a vaccine for any Coronavirus. We are not, as a civilisation, technically advanced enough to do what is being claimed. It's that simple. Some want to believe it and govts are happy to enhance claims to keep up morale. It's not going to happen.

The sad fact of the matter is that the western world made a catastrophic mistake in relation to China and other countries in the region in relation to pathogens. It was as if this was something we could live with over decades or it would always be contained over there. We could have sanctioned and restrained them for every pathogen - we didn't.

We are paying a severe price for decades of incompetence.

You'd want to do a small bit of research into current vaccine development before claiming we're not technically advanced.

There is no vaccine for any other coronavirus in humans partly because they mutate too quickly, such as the common cold. Covid appears quite stable and is aiding development. Funding is also a reason, there's been no appetite to fund a vaccine for the common cold for example. The Oxford vaccine to name just one picked up from the initial research into SARS so it was advanced to a point pre Covid.

For someone who claims to be knowledgeable you don't appear to have done any research into subject matter. I suggest heading to the vaccine thread where there are some highly informed posters and data from trials so far.

JP Liz V1 · 09-10-2020 08:47AM

171 in hospital and 27 in ICU, it's a "trend upwards, but we can't compare today's numbers with the last peak". We've 41 ICU beds available, "it's always a challenge". "Surge capacity means stopping other services, we don't want to get to that," Paul Reid

weldoninhio · 09-10-2020 08:52AM

Eod100 wrote: »

That green list didn't last long

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1314238682182774784

Green list doesn’t matter anymore. The Government of Ireland stated in the High Court last week that there are no restrictions on where people can fly and absolutely no imperative to quarantine.

JP Liz V1 · 09-10-2020 08:55AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Green list doesn’t matter anymore. The Government of Ireland stated in the High Court last week that there are no restrictions on where people can fly and absolutely no imperative to quarantine.

So stay in your own county but fly to anywhere in the world and no need to quarantine on return

hotmail.com · 09-10-2020 08:56AM

People not complying with rules is absolutely nothing got to do with anti maskers. They are a tiny tiny amount of people.

The vast majority of those not complying just aren't convinced about the need for the rules, are fed up, suffering financially, people who love socialising etc etc.

I'd say now the majority of the public, young and old, are not cutting their contacts or restricting their movements.

And the ones on their high horse are usually the ones who are doing it on the sly.

is_that_so · 09-10-2020 08:59AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

People not complying with rules is absolutely nothing got to do with anti maskers. They are a tiny tiny amount of people.

The vast majority of those not complying just aren't convinced about the need for the rules, are fed up, suffering financially, people who love socialising etc etc.

I'd say now the majority of the public, young and old, are not cutting their contacts or restricting their movements.

A lot of this is probably true although I doubt it's the majority. It really doesn't need many cases for it to spread very fast.

yawhat? · 09-10-2020 08:59AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Green list doesn’t matter anymore. The Government of Ireland stated in the High Court last week that there are no restrictions on where people can fly and absolutely no imperative to quarantine.

Really? Have you a link where I can get more information on this statement?

09-10-2020 09:00AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There should be some punishment, high fines

Totally - and publicity- there has to be a downside to non compliance -

drunkmonkey · 09-10-2020 09:03AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There should be some punishment, high fines

For not having anything wrong with you, they were giving out about someone with a negative test result being in a shopping center.
Is it any wonder people aren't going for tests, two weeks isolation is almost impossible for a lot of families.
Making more rules and laws will put even more people off getting tested, why would you even bother putting yourself or your family through that.

If there going to do anything they should stop paying GP's for referrals for Covid tests without any due diligence.

hotmail.com · 09-10-2020 09:03AM

is_that_so wrote: »

A lot of this is probably true although I doubt it's the majority. It really doesn't need many cases for it to spread very fast.

Just drive around Dublin or go onto Instagram.

It's rife.

People are back visiting their parents and bringing the grandchildren with them.

Humans want social contact.

For some who like being on their own anyway, the rules aren't a problem. For others it is very difficult to stay away from friends and their mother and father.

is_that_so · 09-10-2020 09:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Totally - and publicity- there has to be a downside to non compliance -

Constitution says No - right to your good name!

Boggles · 09-10-2020 09:06AM

Department of Education warns primary schools to have contingency plans in the event of Covid-19-related closure

So it looks like schools are no longer a core priority.

Maybe a journalist may actually ask someone in charge about it and not let them waffle the question away like Donnelly did the other night.

This part did make me chuckle.

Schools are told to pay particular attention to the needs of students who are socio-economically disadvantaged or who have poor broadband connectivity at home, and to establish what supports they need

Carrier pigeon?

Also no reference to the poor broadband the school may have.

drunkmonkey · 09-10-2020 09:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Totally - and publicity- there has to be a downside to non compliance -

The downside of is supposedly death, it doesn't seem to be materializing. Personal responsibility should be the only thing being advocated for. Not one rule we have stops covid.

09-10-2020 09:08AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There is no vaccine for any other coronavirus in humans partly because they mutate too quickly, such as the common cold.

Coronaviruses mutate at a glacial pace by virus standards. The reason we've never had a vaccine is we've simply never needed one. Symptoms are usually mild and over the counter medication does a good enough job.

PokeHerKing · 09-10-2020 09:10AM

Hardyn wrote: »

Coronaviruses mutate at a glacial pace by virus standards. The reason we've never had a vaccine is we've simply never needed one. Symptoms are usually mild and over the counter medication does a good enough job.

SARS and MERS say Hi ðŸ‘‹

patnor1011 · 09-10-2020 09:11AM

concerned_ape wrote: »

So my partner, who is a health worker based in a rehab clinic, has now found out one of the patients she's had close contact with has covid. The particular patient always had her mask down under her nose no matter how much she was corrected. My partner is also pregnant, while I have an underlying health condition that under normal circumstances would do nothing to stop me living another 40-50 years. This is the nightmare scenario we've worried about, a knock on from all the selfish ***** out there who don't give two ****s how many lives they destroy.

Hopefully it doesn't turn out too bad for any of us and my son gets to be born healthy to two healthy parents and I live to see him grow up.

Sorry, but what did you expect? Thing is that your partner who is a health worker even that it is just a rehab clinic and not icu should have expected that the very nature of her work puts her at a risk. You as a family should weigh risk/benefit considering also your own condition.

Deusexmachina · 09-10-2020 09:12AM

I understand the irony of posting this here but...we are absolutely OBSESSED with Conornavirus in Ireland. It has become all prevailing. This is just ridiculous.
There are lots of diseases. There are lots of ways to die. We normally don't focus on that - otherwise life is diminished.
Some perspective needed here. Other countries are not in a state of national panic.

xhomelezz · 09-10-2020 09:16AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The downside of is supposedly death, it doesn't seem to be materializing. Personal responsibility should be the only thing being advocated for. Not one rule we have stops covid.

Problem is some people don't know what personal responsibility means.

Funsterdelux · 09-10-2020 09:22AM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I understand the irony of posting this here but...we are absolutely OBSESSED with Conornavirus in Ireland. It has become all prevailing. This is just ridiculous.
There are lots of diseases. There are lots of ways to die. We normally don't focus on that - otherwise life is diminished.
Some perspective needed here. Other countries are not in a state of national panic.

Well i dunno about you, but Ive been sick of talking about the weather for the last few decades.

Blondini · 09-10-2020 09:23AM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I understand the irony of posting this here but...we are absolutely OBSESSED with Conornavirus in Ireland. It has become all prevailing. This is just ridiculous.
There are lots of diseases. There are lots of ways to die. We normally don't focus on that - otherwise life is diminished.
Some perspective needed here. Other countries are not in a state of national panic.

Ireland is not in a state of panic by a long shot.

Most people are carrying on as near normal as possible (in real life, not here in this thread)

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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