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Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Roots 2020 wrote: »
    Do these things make much difference though..

    Back in the summer the amount of back slapping about the contact tracing app, we had over 1 million downloads etc. Has that made any real difference?
    This one is supposed be a lot faster, reduced lab time by up to 75% I was told. Other than that I have no idea.


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And decrease accuracy so it’s hardly worth doing.

    show us the data on this new test kit?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Wrong. They are not reducing. The rate of growth as compared to 2 weeks ago is reducing. But having seen your comments across a few threads, it's unlikely that you really understand the difference.

    EjumV84XcAguJa-?format=jpg&name=large

    14 incident rate down all over Dublin bar one region.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,672 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Thats nonesense

    Circles dont have corners

    Jesus christ its basic geometry

    When in Rome...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Russman wrote: »
    And how many of those do you realistically think there are or have been, out of the thousands hospitalised ?

    They refuse to tell us. Why? Would be easy enough for them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Christmas will inevitably have to be canceled, it’s just too risky as we are aware that all forms of fun and joy spread the virus. We should use that time to reflect on the death and misery of the past number of months. We could put candles in our windows as a moving symbol of national mourning, that would be great. It would also be a great time for the hundreds of thousands newly unemployed to get their arses in gear and think about looking for a job. Those of you who had what are now obsolete jobs like Bar workers, Chefs, hotel staff, tour guides, musicians, artists, non essential retailers and their staff, wedding planners, etc etc etc to think about reskilling, cleaning is booming atm guys.

    How are you still allowed to post here? Some comments were mildly funny but adding nothing to any discussion.

    At the start it was bearable now its just annoying when people are actually trying to discuss. Takes away from some of the posters who actually put up some worthwhile information when your tangents get posted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭AUDI20


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Christmas will inevitably have to be canceled, it’s just too risky as we are aware that all forms of fun and joy spread the virus. We should use that time to reflect on the death and misery of the past number of months. We could put candles in our windows as a moving symbol of national mourning, that would be great. It would also be a great time for the hundreds of thousands newly unemployed to get their arses in gear and think about looking for a job. Those of you who had what are now obsolete jobs like Bar workers, Chefs, hotel staff, tour guides, musicians, artists, non essential retailers and their staff, wedding planners, etc etc etc to think about reskilling, cleaning is booming atm guys.

    Ah Paddy, Tommy Tiernan is not even as funny as you, you will have no bother getting a job as a comedian, you will be okay. now I am off for reskilling


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    If you have information please share otherwise this is just a snarky one liner.

    Oh sorry don’t you know that any rapid test suffers in terms of accuracy? Thought that was common knowledge. Do you care to give any info on this test that’ll save us all. Still useful but no silver bullet.

    You are fairly light in detail so hard to respond to just ‘a test is coming’

    A vaccine has been coming too, no sign of it yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ClancyPants



    14 incident rate down all over Dublin bar one region.

    Happy to be corrected. I'm only going on what had been said last night and by others here that while the rate of growth had stabilized, it was too early to say numbers of new cases were reducing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    How will the economy survive and how will we fund the COVID payments?

    Just thought I would put up what I believe is happening and what will continue to happen, at least until next summer. Why do I pick next summer? Because I believe there is alot of uncertainty surrounding how long we may need to manage this virus and the strategies we can use. As such, I think a prudent government is looking to fund everything and work out cost (jobs, economy etc) until the summer when you would hope regardless of how bad it gets in the winter, that we have a lull (like this summer) and time to reflect on what works best and maybe better tools to combat it.

    But I regularly see comments like "our economy will collapse" or something to this effect. My own personal view is that this certainly not going to happen in the next few months anyways. The government will try and borrow their way out of trouble which is what pretty much every country in the world is doing. Loans can be gotten on negative interest rates and because everybody is in the same boat, I think it will be a case of rising tides lift all boats.

    The biggest damage will possibly be in job numbers. Revenue returns this year have been far better then were predicted so we actually have a bit of breathing space. I anticipate huge stimulas packages to create replacement jobs for those who lost them once, hopefully, the dust has settled on how to manage this next summer (I am being optimistic of course).

    One thing I dont believe is going to happen, is that any decision the government makes will collapse our economy. They have already crunched numbers on how far we can go on COVID payments. Not just that, every country and every central bank is having to change the parameters as the crisis changes.

    I think sometimes people get so scared and upset, they jump to the worst case scenario "the government will run out of money and cant keep borrowing". As it stands, the cost to the economy is not clear yet, the pain is in the proverbial post. But I think the landscape is so different to 2008 and I really don't anticipate the kind of prolonged financial crisis we had back then.

    There is a huge pentup demand for goods, services and recreations. People have nowhere to spend their money. Once we have gotten a handle on the virus and can go back to relative normalcy for longer periods of time, most of the hardest hit sectors can recover. Maybe in a different way, but they can recover quickly. It will be too late for sum, but people want to travel, people want to go on holidays, supply and demand will replace the catering/airline services lost.

    As a relatively rich country, we have the flexibility to be more compassionate to our vulnerable. But if you don't even care about this end of things, its because we have a poorly resourced/managed healthcare system, we don't have as much flexibility to be gung ho "lets go herd immunity all the way baby".

    The economic concerns individually to each person is real and makes sense, but from a national perspective the country will be fine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭bennyl10


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    14 incident rate down all over Dublin bar one region.

    Yes but it is still above the national average!

    The incidence rate has slightly dropped across the county, it had not dropped in anyway significantly to say that level 3 is working

    Not by a long shot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Boggles wrote: »
    GPs don't determine who is Covid positive or not.

    How could they?

    GPs are told who are positive by a confirmed laboratory test.
    Yes, and then they report that confirmation to the HPSC.

    The HPSC data doesn't come from swabs, it comes from reported confirmed cases by GPs and hospital doctors.

    The question* is whether they also report refused tests to the HPSC as a confirmed case. And if so, how many of these there has been.

    *It's a bit of a side-question because there isn't a huge gulf between the swab data and the reported cases


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    How are you still allowed to post here? Some comments were mildly funny but adding nothing to any discussion.

    At the start it was bearable now its just annoying when people are actually trying to discuss. Takes away from some of the posters who actually put up some worthwhile information when your tangents get posted

    You're making it more powerful than ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


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    14 incident rate down all over Dublin bar one region.

    It is a small change but any change is good
    Is that figure a percentage or amount of cases?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    How are you still allowed to post here? Some comments are mildly funny but adding nothing to any discussion

    I play the ball,not the player.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Oh sorry don’t you know that any rapid test suffers in terms of accuracy? Thought that was common knowledge. Do you care to give any info on this test that’ll save us all. Still useful but no silver bullet.

    You are fairly light in detail so hard to respond to just ‘a test is coming’

    A vaccine has been coming too, no sign of it yet.

    To be honest I'd have more confidence in a vaccine arriving before an accurate rapid test.

    Have read up on both & wouldn't have confidence in a rapid test.

    However they did mention a few weeks ago about a new test for children


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    You're making it more powerful than ever.

    True, best off saying nothing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭Russman


    They refuse to tell us. Why? Would be easy enough for them.

    But sure during the first lockdown the hospitals were nearly empty, Holohan said that himself when he had to attend for some reason.
    I don’t doubt there may have been a few cases, but in the context of the overall figure my own opinion is that it’s miniscule.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Data in. 754 positives on 15,880 swabs. 4.75% positivity.

    I think that's a new daily record for tests completed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Oh sorry don’t you know that any rapid test suffers in terms of accuracy? Thought that was common knowledge. Do you care to give any info on this test that’ll save us all. Still useful but no silver bullet.

    You are fairly light in detail so hard to respond to just ‘a test is coming’

    A vaccine has been coming too, no sign of it yet.
    I was told they are using a new test from next week, unconfirmed officially as far as I can see. I know nothing else about it but given how snooty DeGascun has been about some tests it's very unlikely your claim holds. The veracity of it will be confirmed soon enough. If it is the case we could see a "surge" in cases and IMO it's a useful piece of information to share.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    seamus wrote: »
    Data in. 754 positives on 15,880 swabs. 4.75% positivity.

    I think that's a new daily record for tests completed.

    Yup I think so, don't recall seeing above the 15k


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    If they could give us about 2 month's notice and have a lockdown the week before Christmas that would be grand. We could all book our holidays then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    seamus wrote: »
    Data in. 754 positives on 15,880 swabs. 4.75% positivity.

    I think that's a new daily record for tests completed.
    So probably 700 or so cases today!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭AlphaDelta1


    seamus wrote: »
    Data in. 754 positives on 15,880 swabs. 4.75% positivity.

    I think that's a new daily record for tests completed.

    Positivity rate seems to be climbing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    AUDI20 wrote: »
    Ah Paddy, Tommy Tiernan is not even as funny as you, you will have no bother getting a job as a comedian, you will be okay. now I am off for reskilling

    Tommy was ok until he put Paul Galvin in charge of choosing his clothes, he went downhill from there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1314192529148051457?s=20

    Derry is in really bad shape. Donegal has no hope if this keeps up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    is_that_so wrote: »
    So probably 700 or so cases today!

    Probably more once the Doctors add in who they think is infected.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Thomas..


    This is exciting

    Musical Chairs for 10 days


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,213 ✭✭✭growleaves


    How are you still allowed to post here? Some comments were mildly funny but adding nothing to any discussion.

    At the start it was bearable now its just annoying when people are actually trying to discuss. Takes away from some of the posters who actually put up some worthwhile information when your tangents get posted

    His parody posts are as worthwhile - or more worthwhile - than a stream of statistical data about cases, R numbers etc. Of course data nerds are biased in favour of their own kind of 'information,' which they think is neutral.

    If you think about it these threads could consist of anything. They could be long discussions of deontological vs. consequentialist ethics with only the slightest mention of statistics.


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