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Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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  • #4022
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe NPHET will allow us out for Christmas?

    There better be some good films on this year. Free copy of the Xmas RTE guide to every house so we can schedule our misery around Darby O'Gill


  • #4023
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    A positive PCR test does not mean you currently have Covid, The CCO even admitted that.
    We need to stop testing people with no symptoms there not True positives. They could have had it months ago.
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I didn't mention false positives that's a different discussion. The simple fact of the matter and the CCO said it they could have had it weeks ago.
    Nolan or DeGascun have never ever said that the daily reported cases are active covid cases capable of infecting anyone. It's a complete lie to suggest otherwise.
    It's not crap it's how the test works. There is nobody suggesting otherwise anywhere in the world. It's a limitation of the test.
    You need to understand that the test picks up rna of Covid it does not tell you if the covid is active or not.
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Stop random sampling of healthy people it's fudging the numbers.
    Criteria should be, active symptoms, positive test. Well then your a true positive.

    You're back spouting this nonsense again. You even started a thread on it and were rebutted by several posters with knowledge and experience in the area.

    You seem to think NPHET are basing restrictions purely based on case numbers. They're not.

    It's a plethora of data including
    Hospitisations, ICU admissions, hospital capacity, positivity rate, rates of community transmission, the R number, clusters in vulnerable settings, age demographics and probably much more.

    DeGascun said himself "false" positives are not driving this.

    But this is the rubbish you posted:
    That's one issue the other is the false positive rates, it's estimated 9 out of 10 positives are false.

    McNamara mentioned it above but the CCO started talking about false negatives. To know the rate is very important as we've based all our restrictions around the daily positive test result number.


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Needs to be a clear distinction between a positive test and a case
    A case is when someome is sick
    A positive just means you have a virus out of thousands up your nose

    A positive test is a case regardless if they have symptoms. They could be pre-symptomatic are are still capable of infecting others.


  • #4024
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Lord Spence wrote: »
    That makes no sense

    OF course it does. You just saw a headline and for some reason cited it as a good thing about Madrid's restrictions being ruled unlawful.

    What you probably don't know is, Madrids health care staff threatened strike unless those restrictions that were ruled unlawful were brought in.

    So not a great situation at all is it?


  • #4025
    Kilboor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Kilboor


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    As Stephen Donnelly would say "the virus is to blame"

    All those owners are in the pockets of the politicians no doubt. Some are even politicians, former friends and family of them.

    People out kneeling for black lives matters when their own elderly are dying needlessly in private nursing homes. Yet nobody cares.


  • #4026
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,213 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Kimbot wrote: »
    Virtual museum guides and pdf versions of books..... plain and simple.

    Not the same thing at all.

    I can watch an art documentary anytime, which isn't the same thing as going in to the National Gallery to look at a painting.

    Virtual reality is a con.


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  • #4027
    Nonoperational
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    You're back spouting this nonsense again. You even started a thread on it and were rebutted by several posters with knowledge and experience in the area.

    You seem to think NPHET are basing restrictions purely based on case numbers. They're not.

    It's a plethora of data including
    Hospitisations, ICU admissions, hospital capacity, positivity rate, rates of community transmission, the R number, clusters in vulnerable settings, age demographics and probably much more.

    DeGascun said himself "false" positives are not driving this.

    But this is the rubbish you posted:






    A positive test is a case regardless if they have symptoms. They could be pre-symptomatic are are still capable of infecting others.

    I wouldn’t bother. He has completely made a show of himself on the previous thread and the lack of understand demonstrated was unbelievable. No point.


  • #4028
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    mloc123 wrote: »
    His mate in the army got a text this morning to say be ready to escort kids home in 2 weeks and guard the schools after...

    I haven't believed the mate in the army on standby line since a work colleague used it in relation to his BIL in December 1999, apparently there was going to be the mother of all meltdowns at the stroke of midnight on new years eve.


  • #4029
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    It's Varadkar's level 5 spin language
    I think it's a UK one. They are looking at it. It is a silly term as it's really nothing of the sort. It's really a complete lockdown of indeterminate time, which is no different to other restrictions we've seen.


  • #4030
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    landofthetree wrote: »
    I'd say more like level 2 or level 1 for a few months till its available to all.

    I think once a vaccine arrives and the public are given an end date to it all then people will be a lot more relaxed and can plan ahead.

    so the end date is when you take your vaccine?? would that be like holding the country to ransom? lockdowns until at least 60% of you take the vaccine?? really??

    not a hope.. sure that's like forced vaccinations insofar as the alternative is life underlockdown


  • #4031
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,708 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Kilboor wrote: »
    All those owners are in the pockets of the politicians no doubt. Some are even politicians, former friends and family of them.

    People out kneeling for black lives matters when their own elderly are dying needlessly in private nursing homes. Yet nobody cares.

    Yes. This pandemic has highlighted a lot of shady practices. Still not much will change, the nursing home fiasco will be put down to systematic failures- i.e no one is really to blame. I don't think Leo or Michael will be taking on LG either.
    The general public will move on when this is all over, then we'll be back to what was exercising us before all this started.


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  • #4032
    TonyMaloney
    Site Banned Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Scotland update:

    1,027 cases, 405 were recorded in Greater Glasgow and Clyde

    5 deaths


  • #4033
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    CBear1993 wrote: »
    50 deaths in the last 2 months out of circa 13000 cases in Ireland.

    0.38% - that’s what you’re looking at.
    You haven't factored in the ~3 week lag between cases and deaths.


    With that in, it's been 7000 cases (2months+3 weeks ago to 3 weeks ago)
    and 50 deaths (2 months ago to now), which is more like 0.71%. It's still not very high, granted. So about 4 of the cases identified yesterday will most likely die in 3 weeks. Still not many, unless you know one of the 4 people.
    What most people are concerned about is the growth; e.g.



    Daily Cases Daily Deaths
    Aug 5 52 Aug 26 1
    Aug 12 77 Sep 2 0
    Aug 19 101 Sep 9 1
    Aug 26 116 Sep 16 1
    Sep 2 107 Sep 23 1
    Sep 9 150 Sep 30 1
    Sep 16 234 Oct 7 2
    Sep 23 268 Oct 14** 2
    Sep 30 354 Oct 21** 3
    Oct 7 490 Oct 28** 3
    Oct 14* 588 Nov 4** 4
    Oct 21* 706 Nov 11** 5
    Oct 28* 847 Nov 18** 6
    Nov 4* 1016 Nov 25** 7

    *Using conservative guesstimated growth rate of 20% per week; recent weeks have been 38,32,14,56,40,-9,15,31,48
    Hopefully if people adhere to restrictions, this will decrease within a couple of weeks.

    **0.71% estimated fatality rate after 3 wks

    I'm not going to try guess the effects of reaching hospital capacity, other winter illnesses, etc.



    CBear1993 wrote: »

    Yes other parts of Europe are in lockdown; but majority are all getting on with life, it isn’t top of the headlines everyday. The set of the grim voice on RTE every evening “102938483930399 cases today in Ireland” piss away off
    I only see the UK news but coronavirus is always top of the agenda, and they don't seem particularly happy about it. Which countries' news are you watching? Fox doesn't count.


  • #4034
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    drunkmonkey wrote: »

    We need to stop testing people with no symptoms there not True positives. They could have had it months ago.
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I didn't mention false positives that's a different discussion. The simple fact of the matter and the CCO said it they could have had it weeks ago.
    Nolan or DeGascun have never ever said that the daily reported cases are active covid cases capable of infecting anyone. It's a complete lie to suggest otherwise.
    It's not crap it's how the test works. There is nobody suggesting otherwise anywhere in the world. It's a limitation of the test.
    You need to understand that the test picks up rna of Covid it does not tell you if the covid is active or not.


    This dribble again...that other thread was a complete train wreck, even a Doctor said your posts were a 'show' and 'remedial'...LOL...I think he was being kind.


    I'm going challenge your claims, I know you wont accept this but it purely for everyone else so they can make up their own mind.


    If the test is picking up virus from months ago then how come this is only a problem now?

    Back at the tail end of June and the start of July... 31,005 tests carried out in a week but only 89 positives.... how come it wasn't picking up virus from months ago then? Considering that during April/May and into June there would have been a very high level of infection that went untested/unnoticed.

    How come this wasn't a problem then?

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    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113928715&postcount=1334


    Ok

    Now look at a country like Australia, uses the same test. They had a lot of recent cases within the last few months.

    In the last week they done 215,000 tests but only 110 cases, how come they don't have this problem?

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    The simple answer is for many people it suits them for cases not to appear to rise, whether it means not testing at all or that they tests are flawed.

    This kind of rubbish

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    Sure tests could have false positive rates and could pick up dead RNA... many experts would not argue with that as its possible but that doesn't mean they are. Those rates would be incredibly low, otherwise it would be more apparent in the numbers. How can you explain rising hospitalisation's

    Its only a smoke screen.


  • #4035
    Thomas..
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Thomas..


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Make it forceable so.

    We have lost a large amount of people at this stage.

    Only thing that will change their mind is fines and jail.


    Which would you prefer

    Spend money on new jail cells or ICU beds?


  • #4036
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Hospital numbers slowly but steadily creeping up


  • #4037
    Thomas..
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Thomas..


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I think for everyone sake a proper lockdown should be applied now,
    We need the country to be back open for Christmas not because of Santa or baby Jesus or any of that nonsense but for the money that will be spent and the economy ,

    Look we all see a lockdown coming so we may as well get it out of the way now and let everyone back out and about to spend at Christmas time ,

    It really isn't as simple as that

    There's a local factory primarily exporting goods

    They will lose customers this time if we jump the gun and other countries are open


  • #4038
    Dayor Knight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Dayor Knight


    Lord Spence wrote: »
    Im a bit uneasy that anyone now thinks locking down for any period is a good idea, their simply is no evidence that it works, take a look at the uk's current local lockdowns their not working cases are still rising why?

    No evidence it works? Isn't that we did back in March/April, and it worked?

    Apart of course from leaving the airports unattended and hoping for the best on that one.....


  • #4039
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Dayor Knight wrote: »
    No evidence it works? Isn't that we did back in March/April, and it worked?

    Apart of course from leaving the airports unattended and hoping for the best on that one.....

    Except that it's now generally accepted that there is no spike in cases in this country linked to travel.


  • #4040
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,505 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Except that it's now generally accepted that there is no spike in cases in this country linked to travel.

    I don't think we can draw that conclusion. Back in August contact tracing was only going back 48 hours. No attempt was being made to establish source of infections. Besides, someone who was in Spain probably would just lie about their whereabouts.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #4041
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Except that it's now generally accepted that there is no spike in cases in this country linked to travel.

    Really?

    Must of teleported from a bat near Wuhan?

    :pac:


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  • #4042
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Except that it's now generally accepted that there is no spike in cases in this country linked to travel.

    Because they don't actually test at the airport, just like how there's no records that spikes in Donegal and monaghan are being caused by NI


  • #4043
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Except that it's now generally accepted that there is no spike in cases in this country linked to travel.
    Generally accepted by whom?


  • #4044
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Except that it's now generally accepted that there is no spike in cases in this country linked to travel.

    Generally Accepted by Michael O'Leary.


  • #4045
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Dayor Knight wrote: »
    No evidence it works? Isn't that we did back in March/April, and it worked?

    Apart of course from leaving the airports unattended and hoping for the best on that one.....

    I love the selfish b*stards asking who's going to give them money now.

    Rewind to July and it they were telling everyone to get on a plane because they were.

    "I'm entitled to travel and come home riddled during a pandemic. Get over it. :cool: I don't care how many grannies die as a result, they'll die anyway. There's no evidence it was anything to do with me :pac:"


  • #4046
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    This dribble again...that other thread was a complete train wreck...

    Fantastic stuff my friend.

    Even if it shuts up the comical Ali doseballs for a little while it's marvelous.

    Kudos.


  • #4047
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,965 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It's quite clear we are heading for level 5.
    It'll happen before or when the school mid-term break starts. There'll be no Halloween.


  • #4048
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Can anyone explain why there's cases in nursing homes again? What happened to their huge plan that they had. Didn't Simon Harris or someone have a video of themselves with a huge nursing home plan?

    Did I read it correctly in one of the online news sites that staff aren't given PPE unless there's a case in a nursing home??? Why are they waiting for something to happen before doing something about it?


  • #4049
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭Russman


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Well if I've a broken leg/hip/neck/spine etc and zero symptoms of Covid, yet test positive when tested you can tell. Same with a range of other injuries.

    And how many of those do you realistically think there are or have been, out of the thousands hospitalised ?


  • #4050
    Thomas..
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Thomas..


    It's self explanatory that if we have to lockdown again then we are doing things wrong

    Lockdown happens when you don't know what else to do or lower level restrictions and improvements in healthcare and tracing etc aren't working


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  • #4051
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Can anyone explain why there's cases in nursing homes again? What happened to their huge plan that they had. Didn't Simon Harris or someone have a video of themselves with a huge nursing home plan?

    Did I read it correctly in one of the online news sites that staff aren't given PPE unless there's a case in a nursing home??? Why are they waiting for something to happen before doing something about it?
    Quote easily a member of staff was asymptomatic and took it in unknowingly. No one knows if staff are wearing the appropriate PPE or adhering to the procedures


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