Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

polesheep · 06-10-2020 03:18PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

At 10 the army shoot everyone on sight

At 11 they put their glasses on and try again.

Strumms · 06-10-2020 03:19PM

AdamD wrote: »

It is of course very clear why Varadkar was fuming. NEPHET take the easy decision of recommending level 5, which would wreak utter havoc on our society. They do so publically and without warning to the government, who actually have to take far more factors into account before plunging us into the dark ages.

INEPHET put the government in an awful position, and very very much worth noting they changed their tune from not recommending we move to level 3, to moving to level 5 in the space of 3 days. Ridiculous stuff. Plenty of people of course calling for lockdowns, happy enough it seems to put tens of thousands (if not more), out of jobs overnight.

And now of course if cases continue to rise - NEPHET were right to recommend level 5! Though not neccesarily, as again we run the country based on more than just covid case numbers. And if cases don't spiral NEPHET will have been right to be cautious. Lose lose for the government.

If NEPHET don’t recommend in public, and things go tits up. NEPHET would get slammed for being cloak and dagger and not having the best interests of the people.

NEPHET - National Public Health Emergency Team. Not the FG/FF or governmental team.. they are there to serve the best interests of the citizens of the Republic, not to serve the government or Varadkar or massage his whims and corporate love ins.... NEPHET are not for the fûcking government, they are for US.... Leo and co are spitting the dummy won’t change that.

Jinglejangle69 · 06-10-2020 03:19PM

Poorside wrote: »

Far less lethal, has he missed the 215,000 that have died in 7 months in the states?

Died from or with covid?

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 03:19PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Within a few months these private hospitals would be just as poorly run as the public ones.

It must be a novelty being able to cater for very small number of patients with private health insurance alright. Do any of them have ICUs though?

TexasTornado · 06-10-2020 03:19PM

Benimar wrote: »

516 positive swabs on 11,646 tests - 4.43% positivity

Oh dear. Not a good sign.

is_that_so · 06-10-2020 03:19PM

political analyst wrote: »

I'm sure that most of the clerical workers in the HSE also want the health service to be improved. So why would their union, Impact, stand in the way of improvement?

There are many vested interests in the HSE, including some of our brave heroes. I don't envy Reid his job and he actually wanted it!

TexasTornado · 06-10-2020 03:20PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Died from or with covid?

Donald, shouldn't you still be in hospital?

Roots 2020 · 06-10-2020 03:20PM

is_that_so wrote: »

And yet it's on the RTE feed at 14.23 this afternoon.

It was also on the rte feed 3 days ago that over 25 people in a nursing home had covid. This sounds like the same news reconfirmed? All of Laois know the name of the nursing home for 3 days so it's not news.

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 03:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1313482038247395328?s=20

Good news. Vulnerable groups will likely get it first so wouldn't expect general population to get it for a while yet either way but obviously very welcome news.

Boggles · 06-10-2020 03:21PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It sure is. It's one of those rare metrics where an increase in positivity is actually negative.

NPHET flagged it in their letter.

Doubling every 20 days or so.

Around 8-9% by the end of the month.

Anything above 5% and you are doing it wrong.

Rate of growth needs to start decreasing rapidly.

landofthetree · 06-10-2020 03:22PM

is_that_so wrote: »

We could but people will not pay the overall taxes required, we won't even pay for water!

The amazing thing is we spend just as much per capita on healthcare as Germany.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30461-6/fulltext

On this measure, Ireland spent $5275·80 per capita on health in 2015 (this is current spending and does not include capital spending). This ranked Ireland seventh in the OECD, just behind Germany ($5352·60) and the Netherlands ($5296·70).3 The 2016 figures show Ireland moving ahead of the Netherlands into sixth, but these are still provisional.

Ficheall · 06-10-2020 03:23PM

froog wrote: »

wow that's pretty huge coming from WHO. they are usually pretty cautious and careful to temper expectations.

They sure are.
"Nothing to worry about"
"Don't panic, just be aware the virus exists"
"No, it's not a pandemic, even though it is spreading wildly across the globe"
"No, it's not airborne"
etc.

"May be available". What a wide spectrum of non-commital bollocks.

manofwisdom · 06-10-2020 03:23PM

Minnie Snuggles wrote: »

I'm from one of those counties no problem going to level 3. In the last 2 weeks a person was sent home from work with a fever, instead of going home he went to the gym and then to a pub, it ended up with 4 people being infected. One of those infected has 4 in the household , at least 2 of them are not quarantining.

The simple fact is until such time as there are very harsh consequences for those not following guidelines this is going to go completely out of control.

So the actions of one idiot is enough to put that county into level 3? what about the many others sticking to guidance and keeping cases level low in your county.

06-10-2020 03:24PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

What I can never fathom is how these guys are CONSISTENTLY wrong in their post apocalyptic predictions and facts but are never taken to task publicly for it. Luke O'Neill has been wrong so many times I've lost count. Masks don't work. Masks do but face coverings don't. Heres how to make a face covering. Don't bother washing your hands. Sweden will have 20,000 dead by the end of the year.

I know we're only a week into October but this is just pure scare mongering.

https://twitter.com/SamuelMcConkey1/status/1305579552966676482?s=20

In fairness, on the 14th of september, with the trajectory then, we were heading for 5,000 cases a day by 31st Oct. Currently rate of growth would see us at somewhere over 200. What happened since the 14th?

Strumms · 06-10-2020 03:24PM

Minnie Snuggles wrote: »

I'm from one of those counties no problem going to level 3. In the last 2 weeks a person was sent home from work with a fever, instead of going home he went to the gym and then to a pub, it ended up with 4 people being infected. One of those infected has 4 in the household , at least 2 of them are not quarantining.

The simple fact is until such time as there are very harsh consequences for those not following guidelines this is going to go completely out of control.

Yep, needs to be a deterrent.

Arghus · 06-10-2020 03:24PM

Do you think we'll see a briefing today lads or maybe ever again?

titan18 · 06-10-2020 03:25PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

So the actions of one idiot is enough to put that county into level 3? what about the many others sticking to guidance and keeping case level low in your county.

Unfortunately the many idiots (it aint just one) can cause the spread to others who then can cause further spread by just normal interaction. One idiot in a school, hospital etc can cause spread to 100s just over time by just not following any precautions.

Myself, for example. If I wanted to go about and lick people in order to get covid, not only do I get it myself, I can spread it to my mom, dad and brother who I live with. My mom works in a school, my dad works in a hospital and my brother works in a pharmacy. So if Iwanted to, I likely cause spread to 100s if I act like an idiot.

PmMeUrDogs · 06-10-2020 03:26PM

Selfishly, I'm glad we're at level 3. I got a call from my hospital today. My operation (very necessary) was cancelled early in the year over covid, and was rescheduled for this month provisionally, no date. Because we're still on level 3, I finally have a date so I'm just hoping to God we stay on level 3 for a few more weeks so I can get it over with.

seamus · 06-10-2020 03:27PM

Ficheall wrote: »

They sure are.
"Nothing to worry about"
"Don't panic, just be aware the virus exists"
"No, it's not a pandemic, even though it is spreading wildly across the globe"
"No, it's not airborne"
etc.

"May be available". What a wide spectrum of non-commital bollocks.

The WHO by and large take a strictly evidence-based approach. They don't say, "It's not airborne", they just say, "There is insufficient evidence to say that it is airborne".

This is why they weren't calling for panic in December, or calling it a pandemic in January.

Because it's correct to not jump to conclusions that are not supported by the data, and 99.99% of the time you will be justified.

Everyone once a while you have a situation where jumping to conclusions would have helped. Like this one. But that doesn't mean the WHO were wrong.

Any road, the point is that the WHO indicating a possible vaccine before year's end is a suggestion that there is a vaccine very close to being given the thumbs up for widespread use.

ACitizenErased · 06-10-2020 03:28PM

That's a massive statement by Tedros from the WHO on vaccines today. He must have seen some of the Oxford, Moderna or Pfizer data.

FintanMcluskey · 06-10-2020 03:29PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Good news. Vulnerable groups will likely get it first so wouldn't expect general population to get it for a while yet either way but obviously very welcome news.

Pointed question.

Do all nursing home patients recieve the flu vaccine every year?

Or can underlying conditions prevent patients recieving it?

Oranage2 · 06-10-2020 03:29PM

Was there any reasons why on the spot fines can't be handed out?

It's sickening that a select few can cause businesses to close and health services to collapse

polesheep · 06-10-2020 03:30PM

is_that_so wrote: »

There are many vested interests in the HSE, including some of our brave heroes. I don't envy Reid his job and he actually wanted it!

Indeed and many outside of it. If people genuinely wanted a decent health service they wouldn't vote for the gombeens who promise to bring some of the gravy train to the constituency. I'd love to give Paul Reid free rein without any political interference and see what he could achieve.

titan18 · 06-10-2020 03:31PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Good news. Vulnerable groups will likely get it first so wouldn't expect general population to get it for a while yet either way but obviously very welcome news.

I'd imagine first priority will be teachers and medical staff. A lot of the vulnerable patients (nursing homes etc) won't have as much contacts as those, so vaccinations there can cut down on a huge amount of spread.

Eod100 · 06-10-2020 03:31PM

Arghus wrote: »

Do you think we'll see a briefing today lads or maybe ever again?

From NPHET? Usually Mondays and Wednesdays so maybe tomorrow as normal. Holohan will have to field a lot of questions on Varadkar's comments. Awkward position to be in.

GooglePlus · 06-10-2020 03:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That's a massive statement by Tedros from the WHO on vaccines today. He must have seen some of the Oxford, Moderna or Pfizer data.

We might have vaccines ready for distribution this side of Christmas but I can't see the supply chain fully finding their feet until 2021, the task is astronomical. This has been acknowledged by supply chain specialists involved with the vaccine alliance.

Boggles · 06-10-2020 03:32PM

Arghus wrote: »

Do you think we'll see a briefing today lads or maybe ever again?

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the end of the briefings.

An important quote from the public flogging last night.

They don’t advise the public, they advise the government and government decides

Goldrickssan · 06-10-2020 03:32PM

Eod100 wrote: »

From NPHET? Usually Mondays and Wednesdays so maybe tomorrow as normal. Holohan will have to field a lot of questions on Varadkar's comments. Awkward position to be in.

He shouldn't comment on it tbh
They're giving medical advice, him getting into that could get political fast

stargazer 68 · 06-10-2020 03:33PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Pointed question.

Do all nursing home patients recieve the flu vaccine every year?

Or can underlying conditions prevent patients recieving it?

They are offered it. They can refuse though. Not sure about those with diminished capacity though.

caveat emptor · 06-10-2020 03:33PM

Seems rolling lockdowns and border controls are in fact mutually exclusive.

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1313207561471102982?s=20

https://twitter.com/nick_eichler/status/1312990185747935232?s=20

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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