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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #9782
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,022 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/face_coverings_during_covid19

    Its confirmed here.


    It hasn't go look at the law.


  • #9783
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Noxx, what would you chose, saving 1 life of an 80 year old man or saving 100,000 jobs?

    Saving a life obviously.


  • #9784
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I'm all for personal responsibility. I should be heading to level 1 only now thrown into level 3 with no idea how to get back. The Government were very wrong to punish places that did the right thing. They've completely lost people in those county's now.




    Where is that?


    How do we stop the other counties from coming to your place where they could increase the spread of the virus?


  • #9785
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/face_coverings_during_covid19

    Its confirmed here.



    He is exactly right, going to level 3 was a cop out and will do more damage by dragging everything out for much longer when we do eventually go to level 5.

    By confirmed, do you mean not mentioned at all in the actual legislation??

    2. These Regulations shall remain in operation until the 5th day of October 2020.


  • #9786
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Saving a life obviously.

    So you think that 100,000 people who will lose jobs from your choice will go on with their lives just fine?


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  • #9787
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,022 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    average_runner wrote: »
    It will actually encourage people to take more days off from work that week, instead of carrying days over and costing the company more in forecasting the following year.!!!

    As for Retail, most shopping will be done before December this year as people will not leave it to chance. Most will be done online by majority, Symths online had to stop yesterday due to the demand

    It's madness, it will still be busy at Xmas, driving everyone online is a fantastic idea, I hope there's still a country worth saving next year.


  • #9788
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    It's madness, it will still be busy at Xmas, driving everyone online is a fantastic idea, I hope there's still a country worth saving next year.

    Its going to be interesting.

    There is going to be a chasm of a divide among the working class.

    Those in public sector who will likely have pay rises this year vs the private sector who's job losses are among the worst in Europe.

    Covid is a bit like Gout, its a rich man's disease in Ireland


  • #9789
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Its going to be interesting.

    There is going to be a chasm of a divide among the working class.

    Those in public sector who will likely have pay rises this year vs the private sector who's job losses are among the worst in Europe.

    Covid is a bit like Gout, its a rich man's disease in Ireland

    Fintan I am sure you saw it, but listen to 8:10 onward



    That normal life that we all crave for. And yet no mass graves in Stockholm...


  • #9790
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Its going to be interesting.
    There is going to be a chasm of a divide among the working class.
    Those in public sector who will likely have pay rises this year vs the private sector who's job losses are among the worst in Europe.
    Covid is a bit like Gout, its a rich man's disease in Ireland

    Public sector doesn't generate wealth so when all the private sector jobs dry up and less taxes are paid all round then who pays for all the pay rises they keep getting?


  • #9791
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Employers already struggling have to foot the bill for letting staff off now on one of the busiest days of the year in retail.
    If this happens it just shows what kind of clowns are in charge.

    Retail never closes for Bank holidays. People who are off are more likley to go to shops if they have a day off thus it should help retail not the opposite.

    Personably it wont make much difference to me, I always finish up for Christmas well before the 22nd, looking at the way days are falling this year I'll probably finish on the 18th.


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  • #9792
    TRANQUILLO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭TRANQUILLO


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Fintan I am sure you saw it, but listen to 8:10 onward



    That normal life that we all crave for. And yet no mass graves in Stockholm...

    Im loving that talk radio channel too.

    Im wondering though are they just purveyors of common sense with balanced reportage or will other posters contention be that the youtube algorithm got me pegged as a right wing brexit loving Farage fellating immigrant hating anti mask gammon.


  • #9793
    Hand in Your Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Hand in Your Pants


    Can someone tell me when we started referring to doctors and healthcare professionals as "medics"? Before the pandemic the only time I ever heard this term was in war movies. Is it all part and parcel of the "front line" gibberish and war against an invisible enemy nonsense that many people have bought into?


  • #9794
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,022 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Retail never closes for Bank holidays. People who are off are more likley to go to shops if they have a day off thus it should help retail not the opposite.

    If they don't close the staff are entitled to extra pay or a day off in lou. I'll let you know on the 23rd if it was a good idea. As it is i'm not seeing the benefit.


  • #9795
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Haha this man is a ranting lunatic.

    The public realise now his only purpose is to lighten the mood.

    Hes not the only one to loose credibility during Covid

    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/covid-19-circuit-break-5225075-Oct2020/

    He is one of the biggest gobsh1tes out of all the doomers. He is enojoying the attention he gets far too much but the reason he is used by the media is pure clickbait reasons as they make triggering headlines for pro and anti restrictions groups alike.

    Remember, he is one of the zero-covid dogmatics, equivalent to anti-vaxxer/5g/flat Earth conspiracy loons.

    EDIT: The overwhelming response on The Journal comments is that he is a loon; that is reassuring at least.


  • #9796
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,665 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    So refreshing to see that Leo is seeing the big picture finally and not succumbing to the pressure of the bleeding hearts. It's only what we have all been saying for months, that there is more to consider than public health, yet we were called heartless and ageist. He said it best "we have to think of the public interest not just covid"


  • #9797
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,422 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    average_runner wrote: »
    Most politicians are ex public service, so don't know how the real world works.

    Who told you that?
    average_runner wrote: »
    you need people from medical experience and business experience.

    Well, Leo Varadkar trained as a doctor (with medical experience), Pascal Donohoe is ex Procter & Gamble, Eamon Ryan is an entrepreneur, Coveny was an agriculture adviser and farm manager, McEntee was in Citibank etc... Very few are ex-civil servants.


  • #9798
    Seweryn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,505 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Saving a life obviously.
    So one life saved. And 10 lives lost due to committing suicide as a result.


  • #9799
    Andrewf20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭Andrewf20


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Saving a life obviously.

    So are you implying we should have lockdowns every winter to curb deaths?


  • #9800
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    daheff wrote: »
    Plenty of ways for people to talk with others so they are not isolated. Ever heard of the telephone, email, zoom,FaceTime, WhatsApp,Skype etc???

    While it's not the same as in person, it's not isolation.

    https://www.tmc.edu/news/2020/05/touch-starvation/

    When physical contact becomes limited—or, in some cases, eliminated—people can develop a condition called touch starvation or touch deprivation.

    “When someone is [touch] starved, it’s like someone who is starved for food,” Shah said. “They want to eat, but they can’t. Their psyche and their body want to touch someone, but they can’t do it because of the fear associated with, in this case, the pandemic.”

    Touch starvation increases stress, depression and anxiety, triggering a cascade of negative physiological effects. The body releases the hormone cortisol as a response to stress, activating the body’s “flight-or-fight” response. This can increase heart rate, blood pressure, respiration and muscle tension, and can suppress the digestive system and immune system—increasing the risk of infection.

    People who are stressed or depressed, perhaps because of lack of touch, will have problems sleeping, Shah said.

    “Every single medical disease including heart attack, diabetes, hypertension, asthma—every single physical disease—is altered if you are more anxious, more depressed or if you have more mental health issues,” he said,

    Long term, he added, going an extended period without positive physical touch can even lead to post-traumatic stress disorder.

    This, again, has been backed up by numerous studies over the last ten years or so.


  • #9801
    Andrewf20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭Andrewf20


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Fintan I am sure you saw it, but listen to 8:10 onward



    That normal life that we all crave for. And yet no mass graves in Stockholm...

    Ivors video pretty sums up my thoughts. I would love for someone to argue against his points. Its actually growing more frustrating by the day to see the disparity between government thinking and what he is saying.


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  • #9802
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Its going to be interesting.

    There is going to be a chasm of a divide among the working class.

    Those in public sector who will likely have pay rises this year vs the private sector who's job losses are among the worst in Europe.

    Covid is a bit like Gout, its a rich man's disease in Ireland




    Can you show me the link that says we are one of the worst in Europe for Job losses?


  • #9803
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Who told you that?


    Well, Leo Varadkar trained as a doctor (with medical experience), Pascal Donohoe is ex Procter & Gamble, Eamon Ryan is an entrepreneur, Coveny was an agriculture adviser and farm manager, McEntee was in Citibank etc... Very few are ex-civil servants.


    with all due respect McEntee was about 24 when she was elected to the dail, somehow i dont think her real world experience was that great at citi.
    I know mine wasn't at 24 and I also was in Citi.
    Leo didn't practice that long as a doctor either in relative terms


  • #9804
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    paw patrol wrote: »
    with all due respect McEntee was about 24 when she was elected to the dail, somehow i dont think her real world experience was that great at citi.
    I know mine wasn't at 24 and I also was in Citi.
    Leo didn't practice that long as a doctor either in relative terms

    Didn't McEntee get voted in on the back of her father passing away. Had she even considered politics before that??


  • #9805
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Who told you that?


    Well, Leo Varadkar trained as a doctor (with medical experience), Pascal Donohoe is ex Procter & Gamble, Eamon Ryan is an entrepreneur, Coveny was an agriculture adviser and farm manager, McEntee was in Citibank etc... Very few are ex-civil servants.



    McEntee was there for a wet day in Citibank

    Martin was a teacher
    Simon Harris no experience in working
    Leo Public Service as Doc

    Coveney Farm Manager !!

    Norma Foley Teacher


    Now if i go through the back bench how many will we find? Our last 3 leaders were Public Servants!!!!


  • #9806
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    average_runner wrote: »
    Can you show me the link that says we are one of the worst in Europe for Job losses?

    Its literally the 1st result on google, but I'll do it for you. There is many more articles on google.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/opinion/comment/irelands-covid-job-losses-among-eus-worst-so-where-do-we-go-from-here-39518895.html

    Thats an old article not taking from tonight onwards into account.


  • #9807
    TRANQUILLO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭TRANQUILLO


    rob316 wrote: »
    So refreshing to see that Leo is seeing the big picture finally and not succumbing to the pressure of the bleeding hearts. It's only what we have all been saying for months, that there is more to consider than public health, yet we were called heartless and ageist. He said it best "we have to think of the public interest not just covid"

    They only lean towards reality when in "opposition" . Once in they then revert to damage limitation and non decision making mode.


  • #9808
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Didn't McEntee get voted in on the back of her father passing away. Had she even considered politics before that??

    Yes she was elected on the strength of her family name. I think she may have been doing some local constituency work for him beforehand but stand to be corrected on that.


  • #9809
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    Saving a life obviously.

    You would save 1 80 year old life over 100000 jobs? I am speechless! Even more so that 5 people so far have thanked that post.

    That really sums up the lack of economic understanding from the pro restrictions.

    I suppose you’d gladly put the majority of the country out of work to save 10 lives?

    There wouldn’t be any money left to pay welfare, pensions or fund essential services and the country would collapse but at least we saved a few lives. Albeit causing a lot more harm in the process....

    Without a strong economy, I can assure you that life expectancy wouldn’t remain at 82 for very long.
    At least people dying younger would solve our Covid problem though.


  • #9810
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,665 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You would save 1 80 year old life over 100000 jobs? I am speechless! Even more so that 5 people so far have thanked that post.

    That really sums up the lack of economic understanding from the pro restrictions.

    I suppose you’d gladly put the majority of the country out of work to save 10 lives?

    There wouldn’t be any money left to pay welfare, pensions or fund essential services and the country would collapse but at least we saved a few lives. Albeit causing a lot more harm in the process....

    Without a strong economy, I can assure you that life expectancy wouldn’t remain at 82 for very long.
    At least people dying younger would solve our Covid problem though.

    Leo said it last night, we can't afford a level 5 lockdown. That's not been cold or heartless its been realistic. A lot more people are going to die before this pandemic is over. You have a personal responsibility to protect yourself if you are at risk.


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  • #9811
    Bluesquare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    Does anyone one of they have defined your designated region any better then by “ county” - bit painful for those of us living in the edge of two counties?


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