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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #9002
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At last we are seeing a move in the right direction to fight this virus. Not sure is it Tony coming back and getting people to cop on or the realisation that if we don’t act now we are fuc*ed.

    The faster we lock down the sooner we can open again and the more lives we save.

    One things is for sure after the weekend and reading some posts here we have to have serious sanctions for anyone gathering in protests and risking the whole community spreading the virus, going against expert advice and just being absolute lunatics in general. We serious need to mobilise the army if there is any actual truth behind these keyboard warriors claims.

    Today is a positive though we might have a decent Christmas yet if we can get this virus under control.


  • #9003
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At last we are seeing a move in the right direction to fight this virus. Not sure is it Tony coming back and getting people to cop on or the realisation that if we don’t act now we are fuc*ed.

    The faster we lock down the sooner we can open again and the more lives we save.

    One things is for sure after the weekend and reading some posts here we have to have serious sanctions for anyone gathering in protests and risking the whole community spreading the virus, going against expert advice and just being absolute lunatics in general. We serious need to mobilise the army if there is any actual truth behind these keyboard warriors claims.

    Today is a positive though we might have a decent Christmas yet if we can get this virus under control.


  • #9004
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well then maybe the dopes that were protecting their freedoms and ignoring restrictions should have thought about that?

    We live in a Republic, unfortunately the reality of that is that muppets like yesterday have as much right to a voice and the freedom to express it.

    As much as I think they're twats, playing us off against each other and promoting kicking down is exactly what Leo and his ilk want.....


  • #9005
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,377 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Never protested on the streets for anything before and I wouldn't join one of these mask protests, I usually contact the local TDs, but if theres protests against a national lockdown I'll gladly join one.




    Lets hope that fines at set at a level that law abiding people can be supported by fines on anti social scofflaws.



    Now is the time to do this, before the coldest months, so that there can be some normality at Christmas.


  • #9006
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    At last we are seeing a move in the right direction to fight this virus. Not sure is it Tony coming back and getting people to cop on or the realisation that if we don’t act now we are fuc*ed.

    The faster we lock down the sooner we can open again and the more lives we save.

    One things is for sure after the weekend and reading some posts here we have to have serious sanctions for anyone gathering in protests and risking the whole community spreading the virus, going against expert advice and just being absolute lunatics in general. We serious need to mobilise the army if there is any actual truth behind these keyboard warriors claims.

    Today is a positive though we might have a decent Christmas yet if we can get this virus under control.

    Spot on, Nox. If we do nothing then conservative modelling would place us as having between 3700 and 5200 deaths during the November to February period. Tens of thousands of more infections, hospitals overran, people being left with life changing health issues as a result of infection.

    Just need to see what is happening in Israel to see what happens when infection levels start to rise and people resist a new lockdown.


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  • #9007
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,038 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Even the suggestion of moving straight to level 5 for the whole county without any warning is two fingers up to the vast majority of common-sense folk in this country who are adhering to the rules and guidelines and accepting the restrictions.

    The problem is that small percentage of morons going to house parties, meeting many people, no masks, no hand washing etc. Punishing the masses because of the selfishness of a few. Grossly unfair.


  • #9008
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Spot on, Nox. If we do nothing then conservative modelling would place us as having between 3700 and 5200 deaths during the November to February period. Tens of thousands of more infections, hospitals overran, people being left with life changing health issues as a result of infection.

    Just need to see what is happening in Israel to see what happens when infection levels start to rise and people resist a new lockdown.

    Which models are you using? Are they the same models that were completely wrong it all of their other predictions re the virus in March? What is your source?


  • #9009
    3xh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭3xh


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well then maybe the dopes that were protecting their freedoms and ignoring restrictions should have thought about that?

    I agree. That BLM protest here was reckless beyond extreme.


  • #9010
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    At last we are seeing a move in the right direction to fight this virus. Not sure is it Tony coming back and getting people to cop on or the realisation that if we don’t act now we are fuc*ed.

    The faster we lock down the sooner we can open again and the more lives we save.

    One things is for sure after the weekend and reading some posts here we have to have serious sanctions for anyone gathering in protests and risking the whole community spreading the virus, going against expert advice and just being absolute lunatics in general. We serious need to mobilise the army if there is any actual truth behind these keyboard warriors claims.

    Today is a positive though we might have a decent Christmas yet if we can get this virus under control.

    4/10, at least you used paragraphs

    At least you're admitting all you really care about is Christmas pints.... .


  • #9011
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    What the hell is going on? Fcuking seething here. This locking down sh1t needs to stop. It does not work, it will never work. A vaccine will not come so stop this sh1t and figure out a way to live with this so called deadly virus.

    No coincidence that Tony comes back and this is recommended. No mention of it at a meeting on Thursday. Tony should not be let back in charge. You cannot leave a position during a time like this and then expect to stroll back in. I know the reason why he left and that’s a shame but I do not care about the reason, he should stay away and leave it to Glynn.

    This will have a detrimental affect on people’s mental health never mind the economy. This is not natural.

    Fcuking seething.


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  • #9012
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,650 ✭✭✭Infini


    TRANQUILLO wrote: »
    I have never protested for anything in my life. But this is the straw the broke the camels back for me.

    We have lost the plot completely as a government ,media and society.

    No they haven't honestly they're not fools they're doctors who are well educated in their fields and are making recommendations based on the data available which is what we don't have immediate access to. The situation IS deteriorating and not just here, it's happening in other parts aka this is the beginning of the "Second Wave" which considering history is the more deadly one and the one we have got to watch our backs on.

    The problem is your losing the plot because your being faced with a 2nd lockdown as a result of a Natural Disaster. That's what this goddamn virus is. I seriously doubt you'd be saying this if this virus was far more potent on par with the black plague or ebola as if it had a 50% fatality rate it would share the shít out of people into hiding and the ratlickers would not be tolerated at all.

    A 2nd lockdown sucks but it could be done considering the damage from the first could be alot less than expected so we might have the ability to be able to withstand at least one more full lockdown if we need to. What's needed though is for people to cop the hell on and take this seriously, social distance, wear a damn mask in any situation where there's crowds and no social distancing available and wash and sanitise often as possible.

    Personally I'd rather the economic damage than see a situation where we lose control and we're seeing our loved ones dead and being carted away to an incinerator in fúcking army trucks like what happened in Italy months ago. This virus once it get's out of control give's absolutely no fúcks about you or any of your loved ones it rips through communities leaving a trail of dead and incapacitated victims in it's wake. It's all believing "ah were young well be grand" until your the one struck down with it along with long term disability. Why take that chance when you dont NEED to risk it?

    Too many people are too damn selfish and dont think beyond their own bloody lives, they're giving out which can feel exhausting and aggrivating but the minute you stop being careful and just doing what you feel like is the minute we see absolute hell break out. Don't be dense, dont get frustrated, THINK and take Precautions. Until this is over and there's a vaccine or a good treatment available we have no choice but to be vigilant otherwise it might not be yourself who simply suffers the consequences its your loved ones who could.


  • #9013
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    There are still people renting houses to people from Dublin, Donegal and northern Ireland for weekends away, 10 to 20 people in a house, ah sure as long as the owners of the houses get a few quid what do they care. Disgrace.


  • #9014
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,129 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    A very small cohort is in denial or have axes to grind.

    There are also people that are just more exposed to restrictions than others depending on their circumstances.

    Their frustration is understandable but you can't make policy on frustration.

    We have a serious situation that has to be managed one way or another.

    Experts matter and it's ridiculous particularly since Trump that quite a few people don't do experts any more - they know better etc etc. Again it's an insignificant minority.

    Most people are sensible, do listen to experts, do abide by the rules and will do so until we are through this.

    As long as the experts agree with your point of view, then they are the legitimate ones. If they have a different opinion then they are conspiracy theorist that can be easily dismissed. There are differing experts coming out now saying lockdown is a huge mistake and a new strategy needs to be used.

    It needs to be said again and again, NPHET are going for a ZeroCovid approach. McConkey said this during the week. They will recommend that we be locked down for 3 short months to get cases to zero, no point saying they want to get deaths to zero as we are already there.

    If the government buckle to this request we are completely goosed. The amount of businesses that will permanently close will be frightening. The numbers of jobs lost staggering. All of which will come at a huge personal cost to a huge proportion of the population.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #9015
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    From a mental health standpoint we're screwed.

    They have Bressie on a show on RTE soon. He's only on to talk about mental health.

    They know what's coming.


  • #9016
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Lundstram wrote: »
    This locking down sh1t needs to stop. It does not work, it will never work. A vaccine will not come soo so stop this sh1t and figure out a way to live with this so called deadly virus.
    I’m against a lvl5 lockdown, but you are talking some sh1te.
    Lockdowns do work.
    A vaccine is likely to be out soon. Getting it done in early 2021 is amazing progress.
    What is “live with this” meant to mean? I hate that idiotic term. We are living with restrictions to prevent it consuming our health resources and killing thousands. Do you want unrestricted access for all to do what they want?


  • #9017
    3xh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭3xh


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Spot on, Nox. If we do nothing then conservative modelling would place us as having between 3700 and 5200 deaths during the November to February period. Tens of thousands of more infections, hospitals overran, people being left with life changing health issues as a result of infection.

    Just need to see what is happening in Israel to see what happens when infection levels start to rise and people resist a new lockdown.

    That’s some wacky model, Johnny. Who told you that? Professor McConkey of Guernsey and the Faroe Islands?


  • #9018
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Has any other country proposed such a quick sharp lockdown at a national level recently? Israel springs to mind as one but their case numbers are at a worse level.


  • #9019
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    This is going to decimate the economy. The hospitality and tourism industries are finished.
    Small to medium retail businesses will struggle to reopen and the big chains will start pulling out one by one.

    This is going to cost an astronomical amount, and I’m not just talking about financially.
    I’m actually in shock tonight. Wouldn’t be surprised to see riots and protests and wouldn’t blame people for going to them either.

    If the government think they’ll get the same support and adherence to lockdown round 2 they’re extremely mistaken. It just isn’t going to happen so they’re basically destroying the economy for nothing.

    I have never been a fan of MM or Fianna Fáil but I do feel a bit of sympathy that he essentially inherited a poisoned chalice from Leo and this is going to destroy his political career.
    The tribunal and enquiry into our response to this virus in a few years will be damning for those in power, and the people will never forget.

    All sense seems to have gone out the window when that first 3 week extension was announced in early May before the inept roadmap was announced, and hasn’t returned since.
    2020 is a write off, I want to wake up in 2021. This is going to be a horrible grim winter with NPHET calling the shots.


  • #9020
    FrStone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭FrStone


    Does anyone have a draft letter they are proposing to send to their local TDs regarding these ridiculous restrictions?


  • #9021
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    I’m against a lvl5 lockdown, but you are talking some sh1te.
    Lockdowns do work.
    A vaccine is likely to be out soon. Getting it done in early 2021 is amazing progress.
    What is “live with this” meant to mean? I hate that idiotic term. We are living with restrictions to prevent it consuming our health resources and killing thousands. Do you want unrestricted access for all to do what they want?

    The only irony is you suggesting the post you quoted is ****e

    Nothing in your post is proven or going to happen


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  • #9022
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,422 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    4/10, at least you used paragraphs

    At least you're admitting all you really care about is Christmas pints.... .

    I think he cares about having xmas dinner with his folks. Not looking likely if things keep going the way they're going.

    The finger pointing and army callout is simply blind panic & anxiety, this pandemic has different effects on people. Some are not handling it well at all, social media and forums don't help. We've bonkers having anti mask gatherings on one side and bonkers looking for gaol time & internment.


  • #9023
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    GocRh wrote: »
    I only hope government will politely ignore NPHET's advice and disband it all together.

    Yes that's highly likely:rolleyes:


  • #9024
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,129 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    A very small cohort is in denial or have axes to grind.

    There are also people that are just more exposed to restrictions than others depending on their circumstances.

    Their frustration is understandable but you can't make policy on frustration.

    We have a serious situation that has to be managed one way or another.

    Experts matter and it's ridiculous particularly since Trump that quite a few people don't do experts any more - they know better etc etc. Again it's an insignificant minority.

    Most people are sensible, do listen to experts, do abide by the rules and will do so until we are through this.

    As long as the experts agree with your point of view, then they are the legitimate ones. If they have a different opinion then they are conspiracy theorist that can be easily dismissed. There are differing experts coming out now saying lockdown is a huge mistake and a new strategy needs to be used.

    It needs to be said again and again, NPHET are going for a ZeroCovid approach. McConkey said this during the week. They will recommend that we be locked down for 3 short months to get cases to zero, no point saying they want to get deaths to zero as we are already there.

    If the government buckle to this request we are completely goosed. The amount of businesses that will permanently close will be frightening. The numbers of jobs lost staggering. All of which will come at a huge personal cost to a huge proportion of the population.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #9025
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The only irony is you suggesting the post you quoted is ****e

    Nothing in your post is proven or going to happen

    Great retort. Such detail. Sums up your post.


  • #9026
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    I’m against a lvl5 lockdown, but you are talking some sh1te.
    Lockdowns do work.
    A vaccine is likely to be out soon. Getting it done in early 2021 is amazing progress.
    What is “live with this” meant to mean? I hate that idiotic term. We are living with restrictions to prevent it consuming our health resources and killing thousands. Do you want unrestricted access for all to do what they want?
    ”a vaccine is likely to be out soon”

    I laughed hard. Very hard.

    You are utterly deluded beyond all comprehension. If a vaccine came out tomorrow it would take at least a year to immunise the majority.

    Locking up people like caged animals for the safety of 0.5% of the population is crazy.

    People need to stand up against this now. No more. We flattened the curve once, they’ve had 6 months to figure out a plan beyond that but they have failed miserably.

    Fcuk them, tbh.


  • #9027
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Lundstram wrote: »
    ”a vaccine is likely to be out soon”
    I laughed hard. Very hard.
    Keep laughing and being the fool.
    Having a vaccine out in 2021 will be an amazing achievement of modern science. You being unable to comprehend that is your issue.
    Lundstram wrote: »
    Locking up people like caged animals for the safety of 0.5% of the population is crazy.
    Nobody will be locked up like a crazed animal, dumb to suggest it.
    Lundstram wrote: »
    People need to stand up against this now.
    I’m against a lvl5 lockdown, the numbers don’t warrant it.
    Lundstram wrote: »
    We flattened the curve once, they’ve had 6 months to figure out a plan beyond that but they have failed miserably.
    Yeah, I’m sure your master plan of “live with it” won’t fcuk us at all. Juvenile and pathetic.


  • #9028
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Great retort. Such detail. Sums up your post.

    Poor Fintan thinks it's a "mild cold".


  • #9029
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,129 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Infini wrote: »
    No they haven't honestly they're not fools they're doctors who are well educated in their fields and are making recommendations based on the data available which is what we don't have immediate access to. The situation IS deteriorating and not just here, it's happening in other parts aka this is the beginning of the "Second Wave" which considering history is the more deadly one and the one we have got to watch our backs on.

    The problem is your losing the plot because your being faced with a 2nd lockdown as a result of a Natural Disaster. That's what this goddamn virus is. I seriously doubt you'd be saying this if this virus was far more potent on par with the black plague or ebola as if it had a 50% fatality rate it would share the shít out of people into hiding and the ratlickers would not be tolerated at all.

    A 2nd lockdown sucks but it could be done considering the damage from the first could be alot less than expected so we might have the ability to be able to withstand at least one more full lockdown if we need to. What's needed though is for people to cop the hell on and take this seriously, social distance, wear a damn mask in any situation where there's crowds and no social distancing available and wash and sanitise often as possible.

    Personally I'd rather the economic damage than see a situation where we lose control and we're seeing our loved ones dead and being carted away to an incinerator in fúcking army trucks like what happened in Italy months ago. This virus once it get's out of control give's absolutely no fúcks about you or any of your loved ones it rips through communities leaving a trail of dead and incapacitated victims in it's wake. It's all believing "ah were young well be grand" until your the one struck down with it along with long term disability. Why take that chance when you dont NEED to risk it?

    Too many people are too damn selfish and dont think beyond their own bloody lives, they're giving out which can feel exhausting and aggrivating but the minute you stop being careful and just doing what you feel like is the minute we see absolute hell break out. Don't be dense, dont get frustrated, THINK and take Precautions. Until this is over and there's a vaccine or a good treatment available we have no choice but to be vigilant otherwise it might not be yourself who simply suffers the consequences its your loved ones who could.

    You know, that would be all great but for a couple of minor details that might be worth considering.

    First, the economy is in the toilet already. Pascal was rolled out the other day, he spoke lots of words but with very little content. The deficit won't be 30 billion but will be a significant proportion of that and we still have 3 months left in this year.

    Second, this virus is already endemic. It doesn't matter if we lock down. As soon as we open up it will come back. You can be 100% sure of that. There is no "getting rid" of this virus and as yet we still have no vaccine.

    Everyone is selfish to a certain extent. So that they can provide for their family and loved ones. That's human nature and nobody is 100% altruistic and anyone that says they are is a liar.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #9030
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As a show of solidarity with the people, the Government and NPHET should go on the PUP payment for all the weeks that they enforce draconian measures on this country.

    We’ll soon see what level they really feel is appropriate.


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  • #9031
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Who would actually want to take this rushed vaccine? I’m not going near it till at least 1000s have got it before I even contemplate to take it and see what the actual side effects from it are.


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