Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Strumms

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Spend the money on hospitals.

It’s better than losing BILLIONS by shutting down again.

You can get beds, equipment ready and operational in a jiffy, more or less anyway. Staff ? Where do all the extra doctors, nurses, carers, and other staff come from ? All those guys it’s years of training.

bush

Strumms wrote: »

You can get beds, equipment ready and operational in a jiffy, more or less anyway. Staff ? Where do all the extra doctors, nurses, carers, and other staff come from ? All those guys it’s years of training.

Did they all not come home to be told they weren't needed?

j8wk2feszrnpao

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Spend the money on hospitals.

It’s better than losing BILLIONS by shutting down again.

We did spend the money. To match world class healthcare systems we’d need to spend even more (while spending it during a lockdown of sorts). We lose/spend billions either way.
But for now, we have what we have, and implementing what Sweden did would overwhelm our current system and would result in a large death rate here.

JRant

Charles Babbage wrote: »

This is the argument that beating someone up is not as bad as murder to the authorities don't need to worry about it.

Covid has already killed more than a decades worth of road accidents, so presumably in your view they should turn off the traffic lights.

If you did happen to be an accident though, and needed ICU, it might irritate you to find them all full.

It most certainly has not. Those deaths that you are quoting are people who died with COVID. The vast majority also had multiple comorbities. Remember, during the hearings this week, it was confirmed that it didn't matter if a person had a heart attack and showed no signs of COVID, if the super sensitive PCR test detected COVID it was to be put down as a "with COVID" death.

stephenjmcd

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Lets hope that fines at set at a level that law abiding people can be supported by fines on anti social scofflaws.



Now is the time to do this, before the coldest months, so that there can be some normality at Christmas.

Good man, how's that high horse ??

By the way I'm in the recruitment process for the Gardai and I'll still protest against level 5, its a fúcking joke. Presume I'm still an anti social scofflaws because I don't agree with something

j8wk2feszrnpao

JRant wrote: »

Oh, and by the way, I never said the deaths didn't exist. I said they were statistically non-existent, which in a country of 5 million people they absolutely are.

They are low because of the measures taken though. And the fear is they could go drastically up. Based on what we’ve been shown there isn’t a valid case for lvl5, and I hate the way this has been leaked (imagine the panic buying tomorrow).

stephenjmcd

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A very small cohort is in denial or have axes to grind.

There are also people that are just more exposed to restrictions than others depending on their circumstances.

Their frustration is understandable but you can't make policy on frustration.

We have a serious situation that has to be managed one way or another.

Experts matter and it's ridiculous particularly since Trump that quite a few people don't do experts any more - they know better etc etc. Again it's an insignificant minority.

Most people are sensible, do listen to experts, do abide by the rules and will do so until we are through this.

If someone doesn't agree with you their a conspiracy theorist... christ almighty.

If I replied to this as i wanted id probably get a ban but your not worth the ban

Roots 2020

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/1garyrogers/status/1312865219014778880?s=19

The GAA doing what they like again

Get lost with your agenda. Probably people from extended families who are meeting for months, legitimately now.

You just want to show off about the great garrison game.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Roots 2020 wrote: »

Get lost with your agenda. Probably people from extended families who are meeting for months, legitimately now.

You just want to show off about the great garrison game.

I don’t agree with the LOI v GAA slant they are going with, but these morons shouldn’t be defended.

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Good man, how's that high horse ??

By the way I'm in the recruitment process for the Gardai and I'll still protest against level 5, its a fúcking joke

Well you should booted out of the recruitment process instantly if you enter any of these disgraceful protests, we don’t need these type of people as Gardai.

There is major COVID denial going on in here, a lot of absolute gutter talk with “science” from Facebook hoax posts. Anyone who cannot see the necessity for a hard lockdown to get this virus under control has their eyes closed.

Roots 2020

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I don’t agree with the LOI v GAA slant they are going with, but these morons shouldn’t be defended.

It's selective rubbish.

There are people standing and sitting beside one another in 1,001 settings at the moment.

It's very easy find a picture to back any of these. You could have a large family of 2 parents and 6 children sitting beside one another at a gaelic match. They are more family oriented events than LOI matches.

Charles Babbage

JRant wrote: »

Unless we look at the actual numbers since August and we see that the increase in cases has led to a very small increase in hospital cases and no increase in deaths.

What do I propose?

Well for a start, we should be focusing our limited resources on helping those that actually need it. Put strict testing in place for nursing and community homes, make provisions for those in the at risk category, ie the over 65's. Make testing available for those groups very easy to access and have a much quicker turn around time.

What we shouldn't be doing is crippling the entire country due to an increase in cases that seems to have no bearing to the overall population.

Testing in homes and hospitals is certainly a positive suggestion and this should indeed be maximised. However, testing did not stop Covid from reaching the White House and if testing and contact tracing puts a significant proportion of health care staff out of bounds then you have a staffing crisis, more demand and less staff. This still wrecks any normality in health treatment generally.

Earlier in the year the maximum number in hospital was 3-4 weeks after lockdown, with numbers increasing all the time trouble ahead is inevitable.

stephenjmcd

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Well you should booted out of the recruitment process instantly if you enter any of these disgraceful protests, we don’t need these type of people as Gardai.

What because I dont agree with a NPHET recommendation ??

If I'm not mistaken you wanted the Gardai used as essentially a blunt instrument the other day, no policing by consent, straight out lifting people off the street. We don't need what you suggested as being any sort of measure being used by Gardai, full on martial law.

I won't attend a mask protest but one on level 5 restrictions I will.

As I said the other day if you were in the force you'd have been gone on a power trip

shocksy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Good man, how's that high horse ??

By the way I'm in the recruitment process for the Gardai and I'll still protest against level 5, its a fúcking joke. Presume I'm still an anti social scofflaws because I don't agree with something

We don't need guards like you so.

Get over yourself.

These restrictions are needed. You and your f*cking high horse conspiracy theories.

Jinglejangle69

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Testing in homes and hospitals is certainly a positive suggestion and this should indeed be maximised. However, testing did not stop Covid from reaching the White House and if testing and contact tracing puts a significant proportion of health care staff out of bounds then you have a staffing crisis, more demand and less staff. This still wrecks any normality in health treatment generally.

Earlier in the year the maximum number in hospital was 3-4 weeks after lockdown, with numbers increasing all the time trouble ahead is inevitable.

There was 100s of empty ICU units and the hospitals were empty.

Strumms

bush wrote: »

Did they all not come home to be told they weren't needed?

Some did yes, maybe reluctant to offer again.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Roots 2020 wrote: »

It's selective rubbish.

There are people standing and sitting beside one another in 1,001 settings at the moment.

It's very easy find a picture to back any of these. You could have a large family of 2 parents and 6 children sitting beside one another at a gaelic match. They are more family oriented events than LOI matches.

I think he’s on about the vid of the Blackrock fans. It’s not selective. And I don’t care about the LOI v GAA crap, they’re morons.

stephenjmcd

shocksy wrote: »

We don't need guards like you so.

Get over yourself.

These restrictions are needed. You and your f*cking high horse conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy theories because I don't agree with level 5 ? Level 3 yes, 5 no, not warranted in my opinion. That's called having an opinion not a conspiracy theory.

Good man I'm allowed to have an opinion thanks doesn't make it a conspiracy theory though as much as you'd like it to

Assetbacked

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Anyone ranting here should state what they propose to do instead. The numbers are increasing each week, even if many people do not have severe symptoms they still take up GPs time, hundreds of extra people will go to hospital and dozens of those will go to ICU. Health care staff will start to get infected and will have to take time out, at best, or will be sick for months or die at worst. To make room in the health service for all of this will require other operations and treatments to be cancelled. The economy is not going to thrive anyway, ordinary people are not going to have the confidence to go to hotels, restaurants and the like, the reckless may carry on but they will only spread the thing further.

Childish rants about the "government" don't cut it, it isn't the government that is the problem it is the population.

Numbers of cases of a pretty harmless virus mean f-all. Go fcuk off and volunteer for a hospital if you care so much about people getting infected is my alternative to locking down. What do you think we have a health service for? Why lockdown society for this particular virus? It's utter nonsense.

JRant

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Testing in homes and hospitals is certainly a positive suggestion and this should indeed be maximised. However, testing did not stop Covid from reaching the White House and if testing and contact tracing puts a significant proportion of health care staff out of bounds then you have a staffing crisis, more demand and less staff. This still wrecks any normality in health treatment generally.

Earlier in the year the maximum number in hospital was 3-4 weeks after lockdown, with numbers increasing all the time trouble ahead is inevitable.

If they test everyone in those environments then the spread should be greatly reduced. It was the HSE's decision to move old people from hospital to nursing homes without testing that was a real problem the last time. That and agency staff working in multiple centres at the same time. Both of these should never happen again.

Even at peak COVID our hospitals were extremely quiet. We paid private hospitals an absolute fortune to lay idle. We had the city west hotel and the overflow capacity lined up, which wasn't necessary.

I just don't agree that we will see armageddon unless we severely restrict everyone.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Assetbacked wrote: »

Numbers of cases of a pretty harmless virus mean f-all.

Harmless?
Enjoy your trip to the edge of your flat earth.

Assetbacked

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Harmless?
Enjoy your trip to the edge of your flat earth.

The irony of a flat-curver trying to compare my post to a flat earther. Can I ask you what link there is to what I posted? It just seems you posted pure sh1te but I'll let you try to clarify it.

Assetbacked

Assetbacked wrote: »

Numbers of cases of a pretty harmless virus mean f-all. Go fcuk off and volunteer for a hospital.

The mask is slipping on the anti maskers, sorry I mean anti restriction crowd...

hamburgham

Comment from the Journal

Any first year medical student would be failed if they called a positive cotton bud swab a “case” without doing a proper examination.

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Well you should booted out of the recruitment process instantly if you enter any of these disgraceful protests, we don’t need these type of people as Gardai.

There is major COVID denial going on in here, a lot of absolute gutter talk with “science” from Facebook hoax posts. Anyone who cannot see the necessity for a hard lockdown to get this virus under control has their eyes closed.

1/10 proposing a stasi over a justice force...... It's almost like whoever is behind this account hasn't even studied foundation junior cert history......

Assetbacked

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

The mask is slipping on the anti maskers, sorry I mean anti restriction crowd...

Nice one; don't engage, deflect, assume, etc. Usual sh1te from King Doomer, anti-relaxer, flat-curver.

hynesie08

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

The mask is slipping on the anti maskers, sorry I mean anti restriction crowd...

0/10 you've held your defense as well as Liverpool

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

1/10 proposing a stasi over a justice force...... It's almost like whoever is behind this account hasn't even studied foundation junior cert history......

What level of education have you achieved yourself since you appear to love throwing around education based insults?

Zebra3

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1312874736075104263?s=19

And again

It's quite possible that everyone in that clip is from the same household. :pac:

froog

hamburgham wrote: »

Comment from the Journal

Any first year medical student would be failed if they called a positive cotton bud swab a “case” without doing a proper examination.

what's that supposed to mean? what's the proper COVID examination?