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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #8972
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    polesheep wrote: »
    And quick to forget that he is currently unable to be objective in his decision making, given that he has a very vulnerable wife. He should be on leave.

    People emotionally invested like Tony Holohan are toxic to be given any sort of influence in this situation. If he had any sense of common sense he would step aside.


  • #8973
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Every country in Europe is heading toward tough national lock downs.

    This is just the reality of the situation i'm afraid.


    Nah, we can see the reality of the situation through the statistics. This is not what we thought it was, this mainly affects a very small percentage of the population. This is not even remotely close to the killer people thought it was when the Italian images were released.



    I will not sit on my hands and allow this disgrace of a government to destroy my future and the futures of millions of people in this country. Hopefully enough people feel the same way and take to the streets.


  • #8974
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,631 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    If they move us to Level 5 I'll be protesting anyway, first time in my life I'll have taken to the streets to protest anything. Trying their best to kill the country.

    It's actually gone too far at this stage. The real problem is the HSE is in ****.


  • #8975
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    polesheep wrote: »
    And quick to forget that he is currently unable to be objective in his decision making, given that he has a very vulnerable wife. He should be on leave.

    As I said in a previous post, I think that's a big problem. A lot of the senior people in Government/civil service and the HSE behind these decisions would be in those more vulnerable age groups and it's skewing the decision making process


  • #8976
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,650 ✭✭✭Infini


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    In my view NPHET represent a clear and present danger to this country.

    Extreme measures are required.

    Democracy is at stake here.

    I doubt that. Pig Ignorance, Braindead stupidity and sheer idiocy are what are the dangers here. People are genuinely exhausted but there's some who are in absolute denial and are like Trumpy and friends actively making things worse instead of using their bloody cop on.

    What I would want to know is what is their reasoning for Level 5 restrictions? THATS what we need to know, the justification for it and the lenght of time required to be at it. I was expecting level 3 across the board but not level 5 unless they know something we dont thats causing them to go for the nuclear option.


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  • #8977
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Infini wrote: »
    I doubt that. Pig Ignorance, Braindead stupidity and sheer idiocy are what are the dangers here. People are genuinely exhausted but there's some who are in absolute denial and are like Trumpy and friends actively making things worse instead of using their bloody cop on.

    What I would want to know is what is their reasoning for Level 5 restrictions? THATS what we need to know, the justification for it and the lenght of time required to be at it. I was expecting level 3 across the board but not level 5 unless they know something we dont thats causing them to go for the nuclear option.


    There is no criteria given for moving between levels, there is no end in sight, they spoke the other day about doing this lockdown dance for 9 months, and hopefully we will have a vaccine then - or we will have to come up with a new strategy.

    We might never have a vaccine. Hanging your hopes on a vaccine being around the corner is absolute lunacy of the highest order. We already know that lockdowns do not eradicate the virus and simply kick the can down the road. We didn't even use the last lockdown to meaningfully strengthen our response through beds and icu capacity. They had us all sitting at home in March and April while they allowed the virus to ravage the nursing homes.

    They can do one now as far as I am concerned. I'm done.


  • #8978
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Every country in Europe is heading toward tough national lock downs.

    This is just the reality of the situation i'm afraid.

    It’s only the reality if the people tolerate it. We know a lot more about the virus now. This is not a viable strategy.


  • #8979
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,442 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Never protested on the streets for anything before and I wouldn't join one of these mask protests, I usually contact the local TDs, but if theres protests against a national lockdown I'll gladly join one.


  • #8980
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Infini wrote: »
    I doubt that. Pig Ignorance, Braindead stupidity and sheer idiocy are what are the dangers here. People are genuinely exhausted but there's some who are in absolute denial and are like Trumpy and friends actively making things worse instead of using their bloody cop on.

    What I would want to know is what is their reasoning for Level 5 restrictions? THATS what we need to know, the justification for it and the lenght of time required to be at it. I was expecting level 3 across the board but not level 5 unless they know something we dont thats causing them to go for the nuclear option.

    A very small cohort is in denial or have axes to grind.

    There are also people that are just more exposed to restrictions than others depending on their circumstances.

    Their frustration is understandable but you can't make policy on frustration.

    We have a serious situation that has to be managed one way or another.

    Experts matter and it's ridiculous particularly since Trump that quite a few people don't do experts any more - they know better etc etc. Again it's an insignificant minority.

    Most people are sensible, do listen to experts, do abide by the rules and will do so until we are through this.


  • #8981
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Bet Tony Holohan will still be allowed visit his sick wife under level 5 while the rest of us are told to fcuk off.


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  • #8982
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At least we have evidence now that the plan is out the window. You surely can’t jump from level 2 to 5 over night.

    All I can say is RIP Ireland.

    The solution is a million times worse than the virus.


  • #8983
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,002 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Never protested on the streets for anything before and I wouldn't join one of these mask protests, I usually contact the local TDs, but if theres protests against a national lockdown I'll gladly join one.

    Yesterdays was clearly such a sucess, naturally double down.


  • #8984
    global23214124
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭global23214124


    This solution seems farcical. The numbers are worrying but they seem to be on the rise everywhere and countries are getting on with it. Going back to level 5 seems outrageous at this point given most of the country is on level 2 and we have no idea how long we will be living this this disease. Hopefully the government ignore it but I can't see that happening.


  • #8985
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    I’ll be protesting in the streets! I’ll be making my voice heard and emailing all TD’s in my district ensureing they are aware of my feelings and asking what criteria have NPHET provided them and have they raised concerns with MM’s abdication of responsibility...! In my view, if he doesn’t want to make the big decisions, move over and let someone who will in!

    Throughout my whole life I’ve always had a degree of confidence in this country’s government regardless of party! They make mistakes but I always felt they’ll realise and right those wrongs quickly! This government I have zero confidence in!


  • #8986
    uli84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭uli84


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Every country in Europe is heading toward tough national lock downs.

    This is just the reality of the situation i'm afraid.

    Oh really, interesting


  • #8987
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Yesterdays was clearly such a sucess, naturally double down.

    Most people, even if sceptical about masks, couldn't care enough either way. It's a minor inconvenience, and if it keeps people happy then I'll wear one. I dont care enough about the issue to protest, it's fairly arbitrary really.

    I'd happily wear a mask for a year with no complaints if it meant an end to the lockdown cycle.

    What they are talking about doing with another level 5 will be the death of this country. That is not an exaggeration. This cost of another level 5 will be astronomical.


  • #8988
    bloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    There is no criteria given for moving between levels, there is no end in sight, they spoke the other day about doing this lockdown dance for 9 months, and hopefully we will have a vaccine then - or we will have to come up with a new strategy.

    We might never have a vaccine. Hanging your hopes on a vaccine being around the corner is absolute lunacy of the highest order. We already know that lockdowns do not eradicate the virus and simply kick the can down the road. We didn't even use the last lockdown to meaningfully strengthen our response through beds and icu capacity. They had us all sitting at home in March and April while they allowed the virus to ravage the nursing homes.

    They can do one now as far as I am concerned. I'm done.

    There needs to be a proper discussion had on where we are going. A discussion without the emotion and hysterics. It has to happen soon and must be open and frank. Other options must be allowed to be expressed.

    What is happening at the moment cannot and will not continue long term. To think that we will be able to pull another 9 months out of this is unrealistic. The country is already at breaking point and it will only get worse from here on out.
    People are being kept in a constant state of fear, frustration and confusion and it is not healthy or sustainable for a society .


  • #8989
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    global23214124 wrote: »
    This solution seems farcical. The numbers are worrying but they seem to be on the rise everywhere and countries are getting on with it.
    ...


  • #8990
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    global23214124 wrote: »
    This solution seems farcical. The numbers are worrying but they seem to be on the rise everywhere and countries are getting on with it.

    This is not true.

    Countries are implementing local targeted lock downs right across Europe in cities where spread is accelerating. Look at Paris and Madrid. Look at the situation in the UK.

    National measures are being strengthened as well.

    Ireland is doing nothing different.

    Prevention is better than cure :cool:


  • #8991
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,002 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    Most people, even if sceptical about masks, couldn't care enough either way. It's a minor inconvenience, and if it keeps people happy then I'll wear one. I dont care enough about the issue to protest, it's fairly arbitrary really.

    I'd happily wear a mask for a year with no complaints if it meant an end to the lockdown cycle.

    What they are talking about doing with another level 5 will be the death of this country. That is not an exaggeration. This cost of another level 5 will be astronomical.

    Well then maybe the dopes that were protecting their freedoms and ignoring restrictions should have thought about that?


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  • #8992
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    They don't have to accept what NPHET says but jesus above they better not


  • #8993
    bloopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bloopy


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Well then maybe the dopes that were protecting their freedoms and ignoring restrictions should have thought about that?

    So everyone who has caught Covid are dopes then is it?
    All of them?
    All 364 today? All 605 yesterday?


  • #8994
    global23214124
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭global23214124


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    This is not true.

    Countries are implementing local targeted lock downs right across Europe in cities where spread is accelerating. Look at Paris and Madrid. Look at the situation in the UK.

    National measures are being strengthened as well.

    Ireland is doing nothing different.

    Prevention is better than cure :cool:

    Local lockdowns yes but not the entire country.


  • #8995
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    They don't have to accept what NPHET says but jesus above they better not

    I don't think the politicans want to do it. They want votes not take it away but maybe the fear of it will refocus people what to do. Wash hands, sanitize say a distance from people and you do this regardless if you wear a damn mask or not


  • #8996
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    bloopy wrote: »
    So everyone who has caught Covid are dopes then is it?
    All of them?
    All 364 today? All 605 yesterday?

    Dont mind that poster, the mods ignore him too.

    Its nobodies fault they have Covid


  • #8997
    TRANQUILLO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭TRANQUILLO


    I have never protested for anything in my life. But this is the straw the broke the camels back for me.

    We have lost the plot completely as a government ,media and society.


  • #8998
    Hand in Your Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Hand in Your Pants


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    most of the protests were people sprouting conspiracy nonsense ,thats why they havent had any credibility.

    now though, i think the people have had enough...

    Think its a bit unfair to be talking up the idea of protesting at this stage but then in the same sentence to be spitting on the people who have protested before you. They were/are a mixed bag with a multitude of different ideas and reasons for being there, some of which you may not agree with, but principally they protested to object to the lock-downs and restrictions and they did so at a time when it was sneered at by many.


  • #8999
    GocRh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭GocRh


    TRANQUILLO wrote: »
    I have never protested for anything in my life. But this is the straw the broke the camels back for me.

    We have lost the plot completely as a government ,media and society.


    I've never protested either but unfortunately if such draconian measures are implemented there will be no other choice. I only hope government will politely ignore NPHET's advice and disband it all together.


  • #9000
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    bloopy wrote: »
    So everyone who has caught Covid are dopes then is it?
    All of them?
    All 364 today? All 605 yesterday?

    I think you should re read that again he was talking about the anti mask and restrictions protest. By the way I am all full them but sometimes we need to take a step back from here breath and relook at what someone says


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  • #9001
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Its nobodies fault they have Covid
    That isn’t true for all of them. If they attended house parties, on the pier in Galway, didn’t social distance at GAA matches (from some vids I’ve seen), then they are at fault. And other people will now suffer.


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