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US Presidential Election 2020

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,999 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well he’s an asthmatic isn’t he ? I mean he’s more at risk than most given he’s already at risk.

    Two things.

    Firstly, hundreds of thousands of Americans would love to be able to check in "as a precautionary measure". They weren't even allowed to check in when clearly very ill.

    Secondly, it's all about the hypocrisy

    https://twitter.com/MichaelDavSmith/status/1312513602545356800?s=19


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    briany wrote: »
    Johnson did at least seem a bit more empathetic about the plight of Covid victims. He's not improved much on his bullish handling of other things, but those are separate issues.

    If Trump were to come out and say unequivocally that he was wrong about Covid and he now has a more profound insight into what a lot of Americans are going through, or have gone through, it could only help him electorally, because his base will go along with what he says anyway, so he only has votes to pick up by appearing more rational to swing voters. Whether it comes from a place of sincerity or cynicism, it's the sound move imo.

    What's astonishing is he knew from day 1 it was serious according to woody's book about it. If he had taken it seriously and handled it a little less awfully than he had he could have cruised to re election. The tax details , proud boys etc, would not have mattered if he had been less hopeless with the response.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,999 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    briany wrote: »
    If Trump were to come out and say unequivocally that he was wrong about Covid and he now has a more profound insight into what a lot of Americans are going through, or have gone through, it could only help him electorally, because his base will go along with what he says anyway, so he only has votes to pick up by appearing more rational to swing voters. Whether it comes from a place of sincerity or cynicism, it's the sound move imo.

    This is just a false narrative. The Trump administration has always taken the virus seriously. Trump may have said some off the cuff things with the objective of trying not to panic Americans and these are these are now being cited as evidence that his administration didn't take the virus serious but that doesn't make it so as nothing Trump said negates the actions that the administration took.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,404 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    This is just a false narrative. The Trump administration has always taken the virus seriously. Trump may have said some off the cuff things with the objective of trying not to panic Americans and these then cited as evidence that his administration didn't take the virus serious but that don't make it so as nothing Trump said negates the actions that the administration took.


    Ya sure Trump doesnt like to panic Americans well that explains him making up the antifa stuff


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    You're gonna have to be specific as I don't know what you're referring to, he's said a lot of things about Antifa.

    None of which I'm aware was as bad as Biden saying they are just "an idea".


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,404 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You're gonna have to be specific as I don't know what you're referring to.

    He's said a lot of things about Antifa, none of which do I think was as bad as saying they are just "an idea".


    Hyping up a load of made up stories about them being a big threat to national security and as big a problem as right wing groups


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    You're gonna have to be specific as I don't know what you're referring to, he's said a lot of things about Antifa.

    None of which I'm aware was as bad as Biden saying they are just "an idea".

    Biden is exactly right. Anti-fascists are not an organisation, anti-fascism is a concept, an ideological stance. The idea that its some kind of definable terrorist group is a fevered conservative fantasy believed only by credulous morons and propagandists.

    This is not some obscure secret, the information and history is out there and is verifiable by even a cursory glance at the history of anti fascist movements.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Hyping up a load of made up stories about them being a big threat to national security and as big a problem as right wing groups

    Well, the fact that when Trump asked Wallace to name a white supremacist group that he wanted him to disavow, the Proud Boys were the first ones that came to mind, says it all quite frankly, given they have chapters with black leaders:


    https://twitter.com/Charles28973069/status/1311761061310275592


    As for "made up stories" - can you be specific, as again, I have no idea what you're referring to.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,408 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    This is just a false narrative. The Trump administration has always taken the virus seriously. Trump may have said some off the cuff things with the objective of trying not to panic Americans and these are these are now being cited as evidence that his administration didn't take the virus serious but that doesn't make it so as nothing Trump said negates the actions that the administration took.

    If Trump and his admitted had taken the virus seriously they would have followed the scientific advice and worn masks, again Trump reaps what he sows and his zealots expect people to feel.sorry for him when its his own stupidity that has landed him in hospital.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    If Trump and his admitted had taken the virus seriously they would have followed the scientific advice and worn masks, again Trump reaps what he sows and his zealots expect people to feel.sorry for him when its his own stupidity that has landed him in hospital.

    Was Biden being stupid here, so? And if he contracted Coronavirus in the following days, would you be saying it was "his own stupidity that has landed him in hospital"?





    That was outside, here's Biden during the commercial break with Anderson Cooper and suddenly when the cameras aren't on socially distancing goes out the window.


    https://twitter.com/SteveKrak/status/1306761279365885955


    Truth is the democrats and the left have used Coronavirus, masks and socially distancing politically, some of them even getting caught on a hot mic admitting as much:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pennsylvania-democrats-caught-on-hot-mic-laughing-about-wearing-masks-as-political-theater


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,408 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Was Biden being stupid here, so? And if he contracted Coronavirus in the following days, would you be saying it was "his own stupidity that has landed him in hospital"?





    That was outside, here's Biden during the commercial break with Anderson Cooper and suddenly when the cameras aren't on socially distancing goes out the window.


    https://twitter.com/SteveKrak/status/1306761279365885955


    Truth is the democrats and the left have used Coronavirus, masks and socially distancing politically, some of them even getting caught on a hot mic admitting as much:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pennsylvania-democrats-caught-on-hot-mic-laughing-about-wearing-masks-as-political-theater

    Yes, if Biden caught it due to stupidity then I would say he caught it due to stupidity

    See Pete, I dont feel the need to defend EVERYTHING Biden.

    Your big strong leader has caught covid due to his own stupidity, its ok though, its just a flu, it will disappear like magic...and if he doesn't get through this


    Well..... to quote the man himself, "it is what it is"


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    This is just a false narrative. The Trump administration has always taken the virus seriously. Trump may have said some off the cuff things with the objective of trying not to panic Americans and these are these are now being cited as evidence that his administration didn't take the virus serious but that doesn't make it so as nothing Trump said negates the actions that the administration took.

    You're take on events is so beyond biased it's hard to believe that your posts are genuine. He was mocking Biden for wearing a mask literally a day before he tested positive. What planet are you living on?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    droidus wrote: »
    Biden is exactly right. Anti-fascists are not an organisation, anti-fascism is a concept, an ideological stance. The idea that its some kind of definable terrorist group is a fevered conservative fantasy believed only by credulous morons and propagandists.

    This is not some obscure secret, the information and history is out there and is verifiable by even a cursory glance at the history of anti fascist movements.

    And if Trump said there were no white supremacist groups, that white supremacy was just "an idea" - that'd have been okay?? Come on.

    Organized and orchestrated chaos is not an idea. Ideas don't set fire to buildings, loot and throw Molotov cocktails at police. Ideas don't split people's heads open.

    Even Wiki makes it clear that Antifa are not just a "concept":
    Rose City Antifa (RCA) is an antifa group founded 2007 in Portland, Oregon It is a leftist group. It is the oldest active antifa group in the United States. While anti-fascist activism in the United States dates back to the 1980s, RCA is the first to adopt the moniker "antifa". Since 2016, Rose City Antifa is one of the nine chapters of Torch Network coalition.

    One member of that chapter of Antifa got six years for splitting a man's head open with a baton and here they are trying to get support for him in prison:

    Gage22.jpg


    Just "an idea"? No, Trump is 100% correct about them and the dangers that they pose to America. Biden downplaying Antifa as just "an idea" is just an attempt to to dilute their actions and make it appear as if the Trump administration are wrong to categorize them as domestic terrorists. He's not and it's just another very good reason that Biden is not fit to be POTUS and Trump should get reelected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,015 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Ya sure Trump doesnt like to panic Americans well that explains him making up the antifa stuff

    Not only that, he tries to spread panic on every topic that he thinks will benefit him, be it immigration, COVID reopening, even claiming claiming democrats want to 'destroy the suburbs'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Yes, if Biden caught it due to stupidity then I would say he caught it due to stupidity

    See Pete, I dont feel the need to defend EVERYTHING Biden.

    Nor do I, as even this anti-Trump Boardsie pointed out recently ;)
    To be fair, Me and Pete don't agree on much when it comes to politics but he has been pretty consistent in calling Trump out on some things when he feels the need to.

    Have to say, can't see you saying Biden "reaped what he sowed" if he fell ill after that Townhall but nice of you to admit Biden was stupid to do what he did though.
    Your big strong leader has caught covid due to his own stupidity, its ok though, its just a flu, it will disappear like magic...and if he doesn't get through this Well..... to quote the man himself, "it is what it is"

    That's just conjecture and I note that 99.9% of your criticisms are off the cuff remarks he has made, as if he was suddenly going to be this articulate great orator all of a sudden. We all know he's not a master of the English language and owns of the smallest thesauruses in the world, but again, none of that negates any of the many actions which his administration, at Trump's behest, undertook from Jan-Oct to try and mitigate the spread of the Coronavirus and ensure Americans were kept safe and had access to what they needed, including care, should they succumb to it.

    As pointed out, 210,000 deaths is on a par with many countries, with regards to deaths per million, and when the dust clears, we'll very likely see that all a lot of countries achieved with strict shutdowns was that they slowed the spread, not prevented it. Mistakes for sure where made in NY, but you can't hold the federal Government responsible for everything. At some stage Governors have to carry the can for decisions they made which had little or nothing to do with who was sitting in the Oval. Indeed, Cuomo praised Trump for what he offered NY, only turning on him when it suited him to politically.

    Four more years of Trump is what America needs. Blue States especially.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,979 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Not only that, he tries to spread panic on every topic that he thinks will benefit him, be it immigration, COVID reopening, even claiming claiming democrats want to 'destroy the suburbs'.

    Antifa has nothing to do with the #IMPOTUS conscious decision to lie, obfuscate and deflect from the crisis that he well knew was coming. He manipulated government into a delayed, inadequate and inept response. His orange jizz lovers like the ones on this site know this and are doing their best to deflect. 208k dead, more to come, and chaos as a way to run government shown to be a complete fsilure. Once Biden is inaugurated he'll have enormous work to undo this epic disaster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,999 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Picture this....

    Biden wins.

    He appoints Hillary as A.G. to investigate Trump and his family.

    "On the path unwinding, yeah
    In the circle, the circle of life...."


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,408 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Nor do I, as even this anti-Trump Boardsie pointed out recently ;)



    Have to say, can't see you saying Biden "reaped what he sowed" if he fell ill after that Townhall but nice of you to admit Biden was stupid to do what he did though.



    That's just conjecture and I note that 99.9% of your criticisms are off the cuff remarks he has made, as if he was suddenly going to be this articulate great orator all of a sudden. We all know he's not a master of the English language and owns of the smallest thesauruses in the world, but again, none of that negates any of the many actions which his administration, at Trump's behest, undertook from Jan-Oct to try and mitigate the spread of the Coronavirus and ensure Americans were kept safe and had access to what they needed, including care, should they succumb to it.

    As pointed out, 210,000 deaths is on a par with many countries, with regards to deaths per million, and when the dust clears, we'll very likely see that all a lot of countries achieved with strict shutdowns was that they slowed the spread, not prevented it. Mistakes for sure where made in NY, but you can't hold the federal Government responsible for everything. At some stage Governors have to carry the can for decisions they made which had little or nothing to do with who was sitting in the Oval. Indeed, Cuomo praised Trump for what he offered NY, only turning on him when it suited him to politically.

    Four more years of Trump is what America needs. Blue States especially.

    Four more months will be all he will get and even that is too much IMO


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,551 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    What's astonishing is he knew from day 1 it was serious according to woody's book about it. If he had taken it seriously and handled it a little less awfully than he had he could have cruised to re election. The tax details , proud boys etc, would not have mattered if he had been less hopeless with the response.

    Trump's whole thing re:covid has been whatever the Democrats are saying, he would do the opposite. So if they're saying it was serious, he would say it's overblown or, more specifically, that it was a Democrat hoax, and he's on camera saying that before the blowup of it in March. He had to roll back on that when the reality of the thing became too much to ignore. This has been brought to bear again when his whole political entourage flouted the mask advisory at first debate. The other side have been saying to wear masks and listen to the science, so Trump must go the other way - we won't wear masks. It's completely stupid. Just wear a damn mask and recognise that some things are above making a petty us vs. them political game of.

    Certain members of Trump's administration have been more sensible, like Fauci and Birx, who have tried to push a pragmatic approach toward the virus, but even then Trump has attempted to sideline them when their advice has contradicted his messaging.

    Makes you nostalgic for 9/11 in a way. I certainly don't mean that I'd wish for such an event to happen again, but at least when that happened, there was a good amount of political unity going on about dealing with the aftermath. You'd wonder how Trump would have handled that if it had only happened this past year and what he would have said, "If Sleepy Joe was in charge, it would have been a dozen planes. Planes maybe crashing in your neighbourhood, who knows?"


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,999 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Nor do I, as even this anti-Trump Boardsie pointed out recently ;)



    Have to say, can't see you saying Biden "reaped what he sowed" if he fell ill after that Townhall but nice of you to admit Biden was stupid to do what he did though.



    That's just conjecture and I note that 99.9% of your criticisms are off the cuff remarks he has made, as if he was suddenly going to be this articulate great orator all of a sudden. We all know he's not a master of the English language and owns of the smallest thesauruses in the world, but again, none of that negates any of the many actions which his administration, at Trump's behest, undertook from Jan-Oct to try and mitigate the spread of the Coronavirus and ensure Americans were kept safe and had access to what they needed, including care, should they succumb to it.

    As pointed out, 210,000 deaths is on a par with many countries, with regards to deaths per million, and when the dust clears, we'll very likely see that all a lot of countries achieved with strict shutdowns was that they slowed the spread, not prevented it. Mistakes for sure where made in NY, but you can't hold the federal Government responsible for everything. At some stage Governors have to carry the can for decisions they made which had little or nothing to do with who was sitting in the Oval. Indeed, Cuomo praised Trump for what he offered NY, only turning on him when it suited him to politically.

    Four more years of Trump is what America needs. Blue States especially.

    Pure delusion, from the top down with an extraordinary finish.

    The only solution for those still behind Trump at this stage is to separate those red states and let him govern them, while they all ignore science, avoid wearing masks and congregate.

    Perhaps when he bankrupts them, just like he is trying to do to the US as a whole, maybe - just maybe, the penny will drop. I doubt it.

    That way at least, the damage will be minimised to those who are hopelessly devoted to the dumbest and most incompetent snakeoil salesman the world has ever seen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Looking bad for Trump based on this new poll.
    ....
    a new national poll showing their candidate 14 points behind his challenger Joe Biden with less than a month until the election day.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/04/trump-behind-biden-election-poll-shows


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,551 ✭✭✭✭briany


    is_that_so wrote: »

    That's grand 'n' all, but we found in the last POTUS election that national polls didn't translate to a victory to the person who led them, although it did give them a majority of votes. Not that it mattered due to their electoral college system.

    The question remains as to what way the swing states go, so state-by-state polling is much more important. National polling is fine from a morale point of view, but may not be indicative of which way things will go. The candidates would want to know how they're doing in all the states that can go either way, and the big question there is are the leads beyond the margin of error, and by how much.

    I think Trump knows that he'll always be trailing in the polls. What he and his team probably want to see happen is see those swing state polls tighten in the days leading up the election and hope the shy Trump voter takes effect. If that doesn't work out, there's always plan B. Call the election fraudulent and let the shenanigans commence. Have red states cut off their counts by a certain date etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I think they have found that once the Dems are 7/8% more than GOP in national polls, then nothing stops the train.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Water John wrote: »
    I think they have found that once the Dems are 7/8% more than GOP in national polls, then nothing stops the train.

    Correct..

    A ~3% win in the National vote would give Biden about a 60% chance of winning the Electoral College, a win in the 5/6% range puts his chances of winning North of 80%.

    Once the margin gets out to the 7/8% range then he is in the 99%+ win likelihood for the Electoral College


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Pure delusion, from the top down with an extraordinary finish.

    Thanks.
    The only solution for those still behind Trump at this stage is to separate those red states and let him govern them, while they all ignore science, avoid wearing masks and congregate.

    You speak about my delusion and then suggest no Trump supporter wears a mask or believes in science. It's absurd. Here's a recent rally and despite being outside you can see lots are wearing masks:


    https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1311520428117164037

    Certainly more masks than I seen at most of the BLM protests over the last six months which democrats never seemed to bothered about with regards to COVID-19.

    Perhaps when he bankrupts them, just like he is trying to do to the US as a whole, maybe - just maybe, the penny will drop. I doubt it.

    That way at least, the damage will be minimised to those who are hopelessly devoted to the dumbest and most incompetent snakeoil salesman the world has ever seen.

    Before COVID he was knocking it out of the park on almost every metric. Low earners took home more and in Jan, 2020 America had the lowest unemployment record in 50 years.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-unemployment-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-since-1969-1538742766


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,408 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Thanks.



    You speak about my delusion and then suggest no Trump supporter wears a mask or believes in science. It's absurd. Here's a recent rally and despite being outside you can see lots are wearing masks:


    https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1311520428117164037

    Certainly more masks than I seen at most of the BLM protests over the last six months which democrats never seemed to bothered about with regards to COVID-19.




    Before COVID he was knocking it out of the park on almost every metric. Low earners took home more and in Jan, 2020 America had the lowest unemployment record in 50 years.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-unemployment-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-since-1969-1538742766

    What does that have to do with anything? blm Does not = the Democrats, Not all BLM (or any other) protesters are Democrats.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,408 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Thanks.



    You speak about my delusion and then suggest no Trump supporter wears a mask or believes in science. It's absurd. Here's a recent rally and despite being outside you can see lots are wearing masks:


    https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1311520428117164037

    Certainly more masks than I seen at most of the BLM protests over the last six months which democrats never seemed to bothered about with regards to COVID-19.




    Before COVID he was knocking it out of the park on almost every metric. Low earners took home more and in Jan, 2020 America had the lowest unemployment record in 50 years.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-unemployment-rate-falls-to-lowest-level-since-1969-1538742766

    What does that have to do with anything? blm Does not = the Democrats, Not all BLM (or any other) protesters are Democrats.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,517 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Before COVID he was knocking it out of the park on almost every metric. Low earners took home more and in Jan, 2020 America had the lowest unemployment record in 50 years.

    Not everyone thinks that.

    200117_3years-trump-report-card_fullwidth-scaled.png

    Another view

    FOREIGN POLICY: MEAWW RATING ‘B’
    ECONOMY: MEAWW RATING ‘B’
    WOMEN: MEAWW RATING ‘E’
    CLIMATE: MEAWW RATING ‘D’
    HEALTHCARE: MEAWW RATING ‘C’
    IMMIGRATION: MEAWW RATING ‘E’

    Going on his own promises in 2016
    Did he drain the swamp? No.
    Did he build the wall? No.
    Did he lock her up? No.
    Did he repeal Obamacare? No.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    And if Trump said there were no white supremacist groups, that white supremacy was just "an idea" - that'd have been okay?? Come on.

    Organized and orchestrated chaos is not an idea. Ideas don't set fire to buildings, loot and throw Molotov cocktails at police. Ideas don't split people's heads open...

    Just "an idea"? No, Trump is 100% correct about them and the dangers that they pose to America. Biden downplaying Antifa as just "an idea" is just an attempt to to dilute their actions and make it appear as if the Trump administration are wrong to categorize them as domestic terrorists. He's not and it's just another very good reason that Biden is not fit to be POTUS and Trump should get reelected.

    Trump and his ilk are repeatedly suggesting that 'antifa' is a national organisation carrying out an agenda dictated by some central command in league with the democrats.

    Its true there are small organised 'chapters' of anti-fascists who form a hardocre of action, but they almost always act locally, and traditionally, the vast majority of their activity involves intelligence, disruption of fascist organising and occasionally physical confrontation of fascists on the street.

    What we are seeing now in the protests in various US cities is a loose coalition of left wing activists, BLM and anti racists, black bloc types, and antifascists, the vast majority of whom despise the Democrats and are primarily motivated by the rise in white supremacist and right wing violence in the wake of charlottesville and the ongoing high profile murder of black Americans by Police.

    The suggestion that this is some homogenous centralised group attempting to destroy America is a product of demented ultra right conservative propaganda, but there is a simple solution. Antifa and associated groups are reactive. if the threat of fascism and white supremacy diminishes they will cease to be a political force.


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