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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #9122
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Beasty wrote: »
    No spitting, biting, gouging or uncivility allowed

    First thread here

    Any chance you're free to moderate the next presidential debate, Beasty?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #9123
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,247 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    The Rooster wrote: »
    So you’re left wing in Ireland and right wing in the US?

    I wouldnt class SF as left here, they try to appear that way but just attract the reactionary dregs from both sides for some reason.....( more dole , free gaffs)


  • #9124
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,557 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Seems like the story about Trump calling dead soldiers losers and suckers is true and came from sources inside his administration.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997
    When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

    Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

    He has also called soldiers who get captured losers and questioned why the son of John Kelly risked his life when there was nothing to be gained personally for him.


  • #9125
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    thats ok . everyone entitled to an opinion.

    Welcome to a country that had
    A Taoiseach (Leo) for 3 years that was never mandated by a popular vote , he just assumed the seat after the other guy moved on

    Neither was Trump (well, 4 years, not 3...)

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #9126
    RIGOLO
    Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    The Rooster wrote: »
    So you’re left wing in Ireland and right wing in the US?

    try to keep up.. havent you heard some would have you believe there is no left ...:D


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  • #9127
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I wouldnt class SF as left here, they try to appear that way but just attract the reactionary dregs from both sides for some reason.....( more dole , free gaffs)

    Everyone's left by your view.

    OK, maybe not Renua...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #9128
    RIGOLO
    Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Neither was Trump

    Yeah but Trump lives in a Federal Republic of States.. he didnt need one ..

    you dont seem up to speed on US Constitutional politics or the US gun market. PM me I can direct you to some sources that will edify you .


  • #9129
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Watching it here. Trump is such a cretin. The whole debate is such rubbish. Biden 'He destroyed the economy' while calling for more lockdowns which in the short term at least would kill the economy.


  • #9130
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,766 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    Yeah but Trump lives in a Federal Republic of States.. he didnt need one ..

    Nor did Leo, eh?

    Hey, how's that economy doing?


  • #9131
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,961 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    Yeah but Trump lives in a Federal Republic of States.. he didnt need one ..

    you dont seem up to speed on US Constitutional politics or the US gun market. PM me I can direct you to some sources that will edify you .

    Leo didnt need one either. you dont seem well up on how the position of taoiseach is elected. here is a clue: it isn't by popular vote.


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  • #9132
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,903 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    tobefrank321 wrote:
    Debate went as expected. Biden did pretty well, no brain freezes and discussed plans and policies well.
    I don't know what you were watching but I heard no plans or policies discussed in detail from either of them. Just a few soundbites but nothing of substance.


  • #9133
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    Yeah but Trump lives in a Federal Republic of States.. he didnt need one ..

    you dont seem up to speed on US Constitutional politics or the US gun market. PM me I can direct you to some sources that will edify you .

    My point entirely: popular vote is a pointless statistic and a moot point. Even Boris got to be Prime Minister without winning the popular vote and he crushed the eelction.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #9134
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,903 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ohnonotgmail wrote:
    sometimes i wonder if we all watched the same debate.
    If you found a winner then you didn't watch the same debate as me.
    Best comment, made a few times in this thread, is that the big loser was the American public seeing that one of these will lead the country for the next four years.


  • #9135
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,557 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I don't know what you were watching but I heard no plans or policies discussed in detail from either of them. Just a few soundbites but nothing of substance.

    That sums up every Trump debate since 2015. Throw a heap of mud at the other person and hope it sticks and also sully their name and relatives with unproven allegations. John McCain, Hillary Clinton and now the Bidens.

    He has ZERO interest in discussing ideas and policies.

    Biden committed to the Paris Accords, electrifying government vehicles, retrofitting government buildings and that was just on climate change alone.

    Trumps policy? "We need more clean air". That's about it.


  • #9136
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    Is this the FOX NEWS your talking about ...
    the one that just broke TV HISTORY record ratings



    https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2020/09/29/hannity-has-highest-rated-quarter-in-history-as-fox-news-beats-broadcast-networks-a-tv-first/

    must be lonely watching main stream news and fake news, knowing your a dwindling audience and more people are flipping the channel.

    What had that got to do with what I posted?


  • #9137
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    sometimes i wonder if we all watched the same debate.

    When you're dealing with people who consider 200k+dead a great success after Trump himself bragged he could keep it below 60,000 it says all that needs to be said.


  • #9138
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,961 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    eagle eye wrote: »
    If you found a winner then you didn't watch the same debate as me.
    Best comment, made a few times in this thread, is that the big loser was the American public seeing that one of these will lead the country for the next four years.

    No winner but biden did what he had to do after a slow start. trump embarrassed himself but his supporters dont see that.


  • #9139
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I suppose Trumps risk is having set the expectation so low for Biden that anything other than Biden drooling from the corner of his mouth is a win for Biden

    I suspect the "jobs not mobs" slogan will really hurt Biden though, he better hope that a white cop doesnt off some black felon in the next month.


  • #9140
    completedit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Biden definitely better. Trump drags him down to his level.


  • #9141
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    I see some of the proud boys here (and who will be along later) are/will totally glossing over Donnie's abject failure to denounce white supremacists..

    "Stand by"?

    Also, liked that biden correcting the moderator on his "antifa" being an ideology and not a group.


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  • #9142
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,903 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ohnonotgmail wrote:
    No winner but biden did what he had to do after a slow start. trump embarrassed himself but his supporters dont see that.
    Trump is always going to do the same thing which is sling mud and hope some sticks.
    Biden recovered from a poor start but lost his temper twice. You can be guaranteed that Trump's team will focus on what set him off and you'll see many attempts to get at him in the next debate.
    Biden just needs to stay calm and not say too much and he'll be in the White House.
    Sad thing is the Democrats could have had a much younger candidate who would have destroyed Trump last night.


  • #9143
    ollkiller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    thats ok . everyone entitled to an opinion.

    Welcome to a country that had
    A Taoiseach (Leo) for 3 years that was never mandated by a popular vote , he just assumed the seat after the other guy moved on
    A country that had no government for 3-4 months during a global pandemic.
    A country whos current leader was instrumental in a 40 billion euro collpase of the the countrys finance and taxpayers continue to pay off that debt
    A country and a cabinet where the party who won the popular vote, won the highest % first preference has no representation at cabinet.

    If you live in Ireland well done on not having the first clue of how the taoiseach is elected.

    There was a government during the pandemic. The current government rules until a new government is formed. Hello.

    Sinn Fein dont have representation. Welcome to how the formation of the government works. Apart from your point a out the financial collapse the rest of your post is pure nonsense and not founded in reality.


  • #9144
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,766 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    completedit wrote: »
    Biden definitely better. Trump drags him down to his level.

    First Presidential candidate at a Presidential debate to be told "Shut up, man!" by his opponent. So entertaining. Biden destroyed the #IMPOTUS. #IMPOTUS could huff and puff, but had nothing.

    And Joe's pretty good at speaking without a teleprompter, answering questions and being a good speaker despite the stammer. No cognitive decline on that side of the stage.

    The biggest loser imo, was Chris Wallace. I hope he never does another debate, he really isn't his father, on that I agree with the #IMPOTUS.


  • #9145
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Donald Trump is the worst president we've ever had.

    Biden on twitter.
    Over 900 thousand likes!


  • #9146
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,557 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Another Trump lie: "violence and murder is up primarily in Democrat cities".

    Fact its up equally in both Republican and Democrat cities.


  • #9147
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,247 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    I see some of the proud boys here (and who will be along later) are/will totally glossing over Donnie's abject failure to denounce white supremacists..

    "Stand by"?

    Also, liked that biden correcting the moderator on his "antifa" being an ideology and not a group.

    Trump has openly denounced white supremacists over 10 times at this point, its a tiresome question.

    Joe hasn’t condemned radical left violence or violence in the name of / instruction of BLM once.

    Antifa violence is like religious violence, conducted in the name of an ideology, but similar to religions there are groups , meetings, communities around that ideology, antifa is as recognisable as a group as any smaller religion.


  • #9148
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    As it was a 1vs2 debate, I'm happy with Trump's showing. No clear winner but Trump's comment about 47 months vs 47 years was clearly the line of the night


  • #9149
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,121 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Trump has openly denounced white supremacists over 10 times at this point, its a tiresome question.

    Joe hasn’t condemned radical left violence or violence in the name of / instruction of BLM once.

    Antifa violence is like religious violence, conducted in the name of an ideology, but similar to religions there are groups , meetings, communities around that ideology, antifa is as recognisable as a group as any smaller religion.
    Leftist violence is allowed though, remember?


  • #9150
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,413 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Thing about antifa....

    They are anti fascist yeah?

    So no fascism, no antifa??


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  • #9151
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,527 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Chris Wallace was poor alright. Couldn't moderate at all. The next 2 debates look like they'll be a waste of time with Trump just huffing and puffing, interrupting and being obnoxious and rude. Biden can only get better to be honest as his team will learn a lot from last night. Trump is on a loser unless he changes tack but I don't think he will or can.


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