2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

1800_Ladladlad · 28-09-2020 01:25AM

Biden is heavily implying that Supreme Court justices have never been nominated in the history of the US as a fact when over 25 Presidents have nominated them during presidential elections before. 19 confirmations total. He's going on like its as if Trump has done something so outrageous, so terrible likes it an attack on America. His writers are liars. Such a disgusting attempt at manipulation thinking this is leverage. Its desperate and is the height of petulance. The United States does not revolve around a person's dying wish. It never has and it never will. Its as simple as that.

An example of some of the Presidents who nominated Supreme Court justices during presidential elections: Oliver Ellsworth, 1796. Samuel Chase, 1796. William Johnson, 1804. Philip Barbour, 1836. Roger Taney, 1836. Melville Fuller, 1888. Lucius Lamar, 1888. George Shiras, 1892. Mahlon Pitney, 1912. John Clarke, 1916. Louis Brandeis, 1916. Benjamin Cardozo, 1932. Frank Murphy, 1940. Anthony Kennedy, 1988

Nominations happened during Biden’s 180 years in office & he can’t remember? Look at the difference in him in this clip in comparison to the others with incoherent answers or statements. We've seen the clips. How much rest over the past couple of days from doing so little work is he that able to coherently read that speech? The debate will be a disaster for him. The Democrats are desperate. Its embarrassing.

dwayneshintzy · 28-09-2020 01:41AM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Biden is heavily implying that Supreme Court justices have never been nominated in the history of the US as a fact when over 25 Presidents have nominated them during presidential elections before. 19 confirmations total. He's going on like its as if Trump has done something so outrageous, so terrible likes it an attack on America. His writers are liars. Such a disgusting attempt at manipulation thinking this is leverage. Its desperate and is the height of petulance. The United States does not revolve around a person's dying wish. It never has and it never will. Its as simple as that.

An example of some of the Presidents who nominated Supreme Court justices during presidential elections: Oliver Ellsworth, 1796. Samuel Chase, 1796. William Johnson, 1804. Philip Barbour, 1836. Roger Taney, 1836. Melville Fuller, 1888. Lucius Lamar, 1888. George Shiras, 1892. Mahlon Pitney, 1912. John Clarke, 1916. Louis Brandeis, 1916. Benjamin Cardozo, 1932. Frank Murphy, 1940. Anthony Kennedy, 1988

Nominations happened during Biden’s 180 years in office & he can’t remember? Look at the difference in him in this clip in comparison to the others with incoherent answers or statements. We've seen the clips. How much rest over the past couple of days from doing so little work is he that able to coherently read that speech? The debate will be a disaster for him. The Democrats are desperate. Its embarrassing.

You seem to be ignoring a story that dropped today for some reason

hotmail.com · 28-09-2020 01:50AM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Biden is heavily implying that Supreme Court justices have never been nominated in the history of the US as a fact when over 25 Presidents have nominated them during presidential elections before. 19 confirmations total. He's going on like its as if Trump has done something so outrageous, so terrible likes it an attack on America. His writers are liars. Such a disgusting attempt at manipulation thinking this is leverage. Its desperate and is the height of petulance. The United States does not revolve around a person's dying wish. It never has and it never will. Its as simple as that.

An example of some of the Presidents who nominated Supreme Court justices during presidential elections: Oliver Ellsworth, 1796. Samuel Chase, 1796. William Johnson, 1804. Philip Barbour, 1836. Roger Taney, 1836. Melville Fuller, 1888. Lucius Lamar, 1888. George Shiras, 1892. Mahlon Pitney, 1912. John Clarke, 1916. Louis Brandeis, 1916. Benjamin Cardozo, 1932. Frank Murphy, 1940. Anthony Kennedy, 1988

Nominations happened during Biden’s 180 years in office & he can’t remember? Look at the difference in him in this clip in comparison to the others with incoherent answers or statements. We've seen the clips. How much rest over the past couple of days from doing so little work is he that able to coherently read that speech? The debate will be a disaster for him. The Democrats are desperate. Its embarrassing.

No one cares about this.

The Supreme Court just excites political nerds.

Justin Credible Darts · 28-09-2020 03:48AM

saw the line posted on this forum in another thread and it has never been so apt

"if Trump walked on water, people would complain he was not able to swim"

DraftDodger · 28-09-2020 07:08AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

I would imagine there is a strong chance that there are several more explosive revelations due to come out as a consorted effort amongst the Times, the Washington Post, etc, not necessarily having to be related to tax returns either. This could amount to a great journalistic hit campaign on the eve of the election if I'm correct. The next few weeks are going to be pretty interesting.

Yeah explosive, bombshell etc... We've heard it all before.

Everytime liberal media attack Trump it further enhances the view they are out to get him and his base also see it as an attack on them as he represents them.

This latest story will if anything make him more popular.

Tell me how · 28-09-2020 07:19AM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Yeah explosive, bombshell etc... We've heard it all before.

Everytime liberal media attack Trump it further enhances the view they are out to get him and his base also see it as an attack on them as he represents them.

This latest story will if anything make him more popular.

Amongst his base maybe. But can't see many swing voters being impressed.

Look at his last few weeks.

On tape downplaying a pandemic which has killed 200,000 people.
Accused by a number of people having called dead soldiers losers.
Found to be a shambolic business man and paying a porn star 150 times more than he paid on tax in 2017.

If Biden stays on his feet in the debates. Can't see Trump returning.

Cody montana · 28-09-2020 07:21AM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

saw the line posted on this forum in another thread and it has never been so apt

"if Trump walked on water, people would complain he was not able to swim"

Well he’s already compared himself to Jesus.

lawrencesummers · 28-09-2020 07:27AM

He has gone up in my estimation (the only way was up) after finding out he only paid $750 In tax.

Fair play to him.

I would love to pay less tax.
I don’t like paying tax

Cody montana · 28-09-2020 07:28AM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Yeah explosive, bombshell etc... We've heard it all before.

Everytime liberal media attack Trump it further enhances the view they are out to get him and his base also see it as an attack on them as he represents them.

This latest story will if anything make him more popular.

Oh yeah.
Another lie.
Poor honest Don always the victim.
The billionaire who’s broke, a failed businessman and after adding 7 Trillion to their debt.

What a hero.
More of that please.
Nope.

Tell me how · 28-09-2020 07:29AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

He has gone up in my estimation (the only way was up) after finding out he only paid $750 In tax.

Fair play to him.

I would love to pay less tax.
I don’t like paying tax

How do you think schools, hospitals, transport infrastructure, welfare payments, public parks, military and policing and emergency services should be funded?

lawrencesummers · 28-09-2020 07:35AM

Tell me how wrote: »

How do you think schools, hospitals, transport infrastructure, welfare payments, public parks, military and policing and emergency services should be funded?

Do you mean in Ireland or in the USA?

lawrencesummers · 28-09-2020 07:36AM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

saw the line posted on this forum in another thread and it has never been so apt

"if Trump walked on water, people would complain he was not able to swim"

He would sink.
Without a shadow (well he casts a big shadow) of a doubt.

Justin Credible Darts · 28-09-2020 07:52AM

I have read on this forum that trump is an idiot, his supporters likewise.

But if he wins, are the people still idiots ?
What would that say about the atrocious candidate of biden ?

There is something wrong when in the last 2 elections, the democrats could only have the detestable hilary, and the bumbling Biden,that says more about the democrats.

A lot of the hard working people wont be impressed by the stance the democrats took with all this BLM and the protests, which could turn many people towards trump.

Before any one thinks I am a trump supporter, I am not, I just think both candidates are abysmal for a country like USA

Tell me how · 28-09-2020 08:13AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Do you mean in Ireland or in the USA?

Wherever you live.

28-09-2020 08:15AM

The particularly fascinating part is watching people explain his tax away as him being really smart rather than really broke.

Penn · 28-09-2020 08:32AM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I have read on this forum that trump is an idiot, his supporters likewise.

But if he wins, are the people still idiots ?
What would that say about the atrocious candidate of biden ?

There is something wrong when in the last 2 elections, the democrats could only have the detestable hilary, and the bumbling Biden,that says more about the democrats.

A lot of the hard working people wont be impressed by the stance the democrats took with all this BLM and the protests, which could turn many people towards trump.

Before any one thinks I am a trump supporter, I am not, I just think both candidates are abysmal for a country like USA

Posts like the below are why people think most Trump supporters are idiots.

lawrencesummers wrote: »

He has gone up in my estimation (the only way was up) after finding out he only paid $750 In tax.

Fair play to him.

I would love to pay less tax.
I don’t like paying tax

lawrencesummers · 28-09-2020 08:38AM

Penn wrote: »

Posts like the below are why people think most Trump supporters are idiots.

Posts like you are why people who think people who are supporters of Trump but are not are idiots.

lawrencesummers · 28-09-2020 08:44AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Wherever you live.

Where I live is irrelevant, because taxes are a pretty global ideal at this stage.

I just don’t like paying as much as I do and would do everything (legally) possible to reduce how much tax I pay, and before people start pretending they are some sort of nationalistic social warrior everybody is the same.

Ain’t nobody writing letters to Her Majesties Revenue and Customs asking if they can pay more tax.

titan18 · 28-09-2020 08:45AM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

I would imagine there is a strong chance that there are several more explosive revelations due to come out as a consorted effort amongst the Times, the Washington Post, etc, not necessarily having to be related to tax returns either. This could amount to a great journalistic hit campaign on the eve of the election if I'm correct. The next few weeks are going to be pretty interesting.

Tbf, based on past, the media will straight up make **** about Trump and Republicans too much like Fox do with the Democrats.

ohnonotgmail · 28-09-2020 08:47AM

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf, based on past, the media will straight up make **** about Trump and Republicans too much like Fox do with the Democrats.

is the story about his taxes made up?

titan18 · 28-09-2020 08:55AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is the story about his taxes made up?

No idea. I'm not dismissing it or saying it's true though just cos New York Times say so though.

extra gravy · 28-09-2020 08:56AM

Imagine thinking that a newspaper of record like the NY Times would just make up a story because they're out to get him. This isn't the bloody Sun you're talking about. Trump supporters and their desperate conspiracy theories make me laugh.

ohnonotgmail · 28-09-2020 08:59AM

titan18 wrote: »

No idea. I'm not dismissing it or saying it's true though just cos New York Times say so though.

go read some of it and make an informed opinion. If they made it up they went to a LOT of trouble to make up some very specific information. If it was made up then trump could have easily shot the article down by disproving just one of those numbers. that he couldn't do that should tell you something.

jill_valentine · 28-09-2020 09:00AM

Anybody who has ever worked in finance/banking etc will be familiar with the idea of a PEP, a Politically Exposed Person.

A PEP is a high profile public political figure, and you have to do a whole lot of extra homework on them to make sure they're not in huge debt before having dealings with them.

This is because anybody who owes even a tiny fraction of the money this guy owes belongs to somebody else lock, stock and barrel. They're a huge liability, they're compromised.

People in a fraction of the kind of debt he's in are forbidden from executive roles by most companies for this reason.

This is a bigger issue than the fact he's a fraud. Trump isn't just a terrible businessman and a conman, he is an ENORMOUS security risk, he belongs to whoever is holding his IOUs.

28-09-2020 09:04AM

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf, based on past, the media will straight up make **** about Trump and Republicans too much like Fox do with the Democrats.

Why not sue? The reason is discovery. He's also the only president not to divulge them which always meant it wasn't gonna look in them.

lawrencesummers · 28-09-2020 09:05AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Anybody who has ever worked in finance/banking etc will be familiar with the idea of a PEP, a Politically Exposed Person.

A PEP is a high profile public political figure, and you have to do a whole lot of extra homework on them to make sure they're not in huge debt before having dealings with them.

This is because anybody who owes even a tiny fraction of the money this guy owes belongs to somebody else lock, stock and barrel. They're a huge liability, they're compromised.

People in a fraction of the kind of debt he's in are forbidden from executive roles by most companies for this reason.

This is a bigger issue than the fact he's a fraud. Trump isn't just a terrible businessman and a conman, he is an ENORMOUS security risk, he belongs to whoever is holding his IOUs.

Sure because people in Banking are those best placed to lecture the rest of the country on what direction their moral Compass should be pointing.

ohnonotgmail · 28-09-2020 09:06AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Sure because people in Banking are those best placed to lecture the rest of the country on what direction their moral Compass should be pointing.

nothing to do with a moral compass. do you think that somebody in that much debt is not compromised?

jill_valentine · 28-09-2020 09:17AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Sure because people in Banking are those best placed to lecture the rest of the country on what direction their moral Compass should be pointing.

I appreciate your firm stance against financial impropriety by people like banks or Trump on moral grounds, but it's a separate issue.

Nothing to do with morality, it's basic common sense. An IOU that big is as good as a Harvey Norman receipt, somebody in a 1.1 billion dollar hole is bought and paid for.

Their behaviour may not even be in their own best interests, never mind yours. Nobody in a legally functioning company would want anything at all to do with somebody who poses this kind of risk, because sooner or later they always self combust.

relax carry on · 28-09-2020 09:19AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

He has gone up in my estimation (the only way was up) after finding out he only paid $750 In tax.

Fair play to him.

I would love to pay less tax.
I don’t like paying tax

You do realise that societies function because of tax to fund societal structures?? Trump being the leader of a society and paying virtually nothing in tax undermines the entire society he's supposed to be leader of.

jill_valentine · 28-09-2020 09:24AM

relax carry on wrote: »

You do realise that societies function because of tax to fund societal structures?? Trump being the leader of a society and paying virtually nothing in tax undermines the entire society he's supposed to be leader of.

Trying to spin this as him being too clever to pay tax is a bit of a reach too. He's broke, what tax could he pay? The homeless lad with a coffee cup outside Tesco is every bit as canny a financial genius.

Again btw, he doesn't just owe 400k, that's what's due soon. He owes closer to 1.1 billion, with a b. He is a reverse billionaire sponging. He is completely beholden to other parties, he is effectively somebody else's asset rather than an individual as such.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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