Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Micky 32 · 26-09-2020 08:11PM

spookwoman wrote: »

It is relevant when you said the above

So what, the cold has been around for eons and still here. I’m talking about novel virus that rampage the world like the swine flu, spanish flu and Covid 19.
Did smallpox lock you up and cause worlwide disruption to economies etc?

These type pandemics always ease off after a couple of years. Smallpox was eradicated by a vaccine too.

Curious_Case · 26-09-2020 08:12PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The average is 2/3 years. Well smallpox isn’t causing any restrictions or lockdowns so really irrelevant. Life still went on.

There are some common attributes --
In particular, a strong desire existed to erradicate smallpox and, similarly, a strong desire exists to mitigate against Covid.
Both ventures either were, are or will be, expensive.
Both diseases are infectious.
A truer comparison would consider a contemporary reaction to smallpox had it appeared as a new disease at the start of this year.

Gradius · 26-09-2020 08:14PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I think we got off really lightly with this one. I was watching H5N1 bird flu back in 2000s (?).

Alarming CFR and quite possible it could have gone global with the right mutation.

As a test run though, we have made a balls of this one in some ways. Hopefully we might learn from the experience and be better prepared next time.

It is a test run, and it has been a miserable failure.

There are new diseases being incubated right this second, from the same places as before, from the same conditions as before. And nothing is being done to prevent them.

And this test run is a far cry from over anyway. We've learned nothing.

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 08:19PM

Gradius wrote: »

The scale is completely different too.

This whole thing could be eradicated overnight worldwide, all except for India.

By the end of the week the rest of the world would be re-infected.

The ease of transmission along with the pool of fresh hosts is unprecedented.

Utter nonsense.

Gradius · 26-09-2020 08:22PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Utter nonsense.

Look at this galactic thinking

Let's say you are the only person in the world with a highly infectious disease, and your sole purpose is to spread it as quickly as possible.

Now, you can go about it in 1918 or 2020.

What year would you choose?

26-09-2020 08:23PM

Gradius wrote: »

Comparing the Spanish flu to this pandemic is like comparing a musket to a mini-gun.

One single person could, potentially, infect thousands of people in multiple countries within a day by flying on a plane.

It's a completely different world now.

Yet Spanish flu killed 50million in just over 2 years, and the Russian flu 30 years earlier emerged in Moscow and st Petersburg in Oct 1889, yet made it throughout Europe and to New York by Christmas that year.

Away With The Fairies · 26-09-2020 08:24PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My logic is raise your concerns with the business, we only have the posters word that guidelines were breached . Easily done on an anonymous internet forum if there is no consequences for saying something that may not be true.
Has the business in question no right of reply, condemned already by Social Media?

So you have a problem with someone naming a business that are breaking the guidelines?

Yet, you're the same poster who wanted a shop that had a covid outbreak named here couple of months ago and you were going to report the shop to your journalist friend???

You don't have a problem ruining a business yourself.

Charles Babbage · 26-09-2020 08:25PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

It'll get much higher. The "second wave" peaks will be much higher this time around thanks to increased testing.They really need to be getting that message out or people will lose their minds when we get well over 1000 ourselves.

The 6 County figure will be much higher, as their testing was inadequate in April. The 26 County figure less so.

Funsterdelux · 26-09-2020 08:25PM

Gradius wrote: »

It is a test run, and it has been a miserable failure.

There are new diseases being incubated right this second, from the same places as before, from the same conditions as before. And nothing is being done to prevent them.

And this test run is a far cry from over anyway. We've learned nothing.

There is enormous work going on constantly to prevent the next pandemic.

Watch Pandemic on netflix, it gives a good idea on the work involved.

Gradius · 26-09-2020 08:28PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

There is enormous work going on constantly to prevent the next pandemic.

Watch Pandemic on netflix, it gives a good idea on the work involved.

Oh there's loads of work being done on training, yes.

But as demonstrated, if it's not put into practice, what good does it do?

Those wet markets in China were highlighted donkeys years ago as a serious source of novel pathogens.

And what has been done about it in all those years? Sweet f-all

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 08:29PM

Gradius wrote: »

Look at this galactic thinking

Let's say you are the only person in the world with a highly infectious disease, and your sole purpose is to spread it as quickly as possible.

Now, you can go about it in 1918 or 2020.

What year would you choose?

1918 no travel restrictions so a troop ship on the way back to America. After spending a few hours wondering the port spending time amongst the 100's of dock workers. Who in turn will spread to other passengers heading to other destinations.
Far denser occupancy levels back then as well, spreads like wildfire, poorer health outcomes to. Also just after the great war people's immunity due to food and medicine shortages was weaker.

spookwoman · 26-09-2020 08:29PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

So what, the cold has been around for eons and still here. I’m talking about novel virus that rampage the world like the swine flu, spanish flu and Covid 19.
Did smallpox lock you up and cause worlwide disruption to economies etc?

These type pandemics always ease off after a couple of years. Smallpox was eradicated by a vaccine too.

It's reckoned smallpox killed nearly 90% of the indigenous population of the Americas. This left many civilizations open to conquests and that would have changed the economy all over the world. Killed the ruling class as well as poor and this would have changed the balance of power etc. Its all had knock on effects.

Gradius · 26-09-2020 08:30PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

1918 no travel restrictions so a troop ship on the way back to America. After spending a few hours wondering the port spending time amongst the 100's of dock workers. Who in turn will spread to other passengers heading to other destinations.
Far denser occupancy levels back then as well, spreads like wildfire, poorer health outcomes to. Also just after the great war people's immunity due to food and medicine shortages was weaker.

So you're genuinely saying that the opportunity for a disease to spread worldwide was greater in 1918 than it is now?

Funsterdelux · 26-09-2020 08:31PM

Gradius wrote: »

Oh there's loads of work being done on training, yes.

But as demonstrated, if it's not put into practice, what good does it do?

Those wet markets in China were highlighted donkeys years ago as a serious source of novel pathogens.

And what has been done about it in all those years? Sweet f-all

Not just training. Real work on the ground testing livestock/ wildfoul etc.

Ah yeah thats Chinese capitalism for you. Our hunger for meat is damaging in many ways.

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 08:31PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So you have a problem with someone naming a business that are breaking the guidelines?

Yet, you're the same poster who wanted a shop that had a covid outbreak named here couple of months ago and you were going to report the shop to your journalist friend???

You don't have a problem ruining a business yourself.

Any chance you can link the comment since you said it was a few months ago i'd like to see the context.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 26-09-2020 08:32PM

Gradius wrote: »

Comparing the Spanish flu to this pandemic is like comparing a musket to a mini-gun.

One single person could, potentially, infect thousands of people in multiple countries within a day by flying on a plane.

It's a completely different world now.

The Spanish flu didn't kill many till it's second wave so we will have to see how the next 3 months go before we can compare

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 08:32PM

Gradius wrote: »

So you're genuinely saying that the opportunity for a disease to spread worldwide was greater in 1918 than it is now?

Was there travel restrictions in 1918?

Micky 32 · 26-09-2020 08:34PM

spookwoman wrote: »

It's reckoned smallpox killed nearly 90% of the indigenous population of the Americas. This left many civilizations open to conquests and that would have changed the economy all over the world. Killed the ruling class as well as poor and this would have changed the balance of power etc. Its all had knock on effects.

My point is, it still burnt out and became less of a problem just like this current virus will.

26-09-2020 08:35PM

Zayne Gray Rower wrote: »

The Spanish flu didn't kill many till it's second wave so we will have to see how the next 3 months go before we can compare

https://www.history.com/.amp/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence

Well if we call Europe’s autumn resurgence a second wave, it’s less deadly

Funsterdelux · 26-09-2020 08:35PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Was there travel restrictions in 1918?

You could fly to Liechtenstein too

igCorcaigh · 26-09-2020 08:35PM

During the 17th century plague in London, all those infected were locked inside their houses.

For one night, the policy was switched, so that all the infected were allowed out to roam, while those not infected locked themselves inside.

Well, I thought it was an interesting historical anecdote.

Gradius · 26-09-2020 08:36PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Not just training. Real work on the ground testing livestock/ wildfoul etc.

Ah yeah thats Chinese capitalism for you. Our hunger for meat is damaging in many ways.

I've seen the early warning systems in use, they're very impressive. But they only work on small scales, like an outbreak with 20 cases, say.

As you say, when the smart choice is presented but it interferes with money, you know the choice that will be made.

There have been warnings made about aqua influenzas, and the world has yet to see them. But the steps necessary to prevent it involves losing money. So nothing has been done.

Funsterdelux · 26-09-2020 08:36PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

My point is, it still burnt out and became less of a problem just like this current virus will.

I hope you are right.

Micky 32 · 26-09-2020 08:36PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

I hope you are right.

So do i!

Gradius · 26-09-2020 08:37PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Was there travel restrictions in 1918?

Are you saying it was easier to spread a disease worldwide in 2018 versus 2020?

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 08:38PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

You could fly to Liechtenstein too

You could but the absence of an airport would make landing an interesting task.

Funsterdelux · 26-09-2020 08:39PM

Gradius wrote: »

I've seen the early warning systems in use, they're very impressive. But they only work on small scales, like an outbreak with 20 cases, say.

As you say, when the smart choice is presented but it interferes with money, you know the choice that will be made.

There have been warnings made about aqua influenzas, and the world has yet to see them. But the steps necessary to prevent it involves losing money. So nothing has been done.

Hopefully with the economic lose gov/corps are facing, more will be done to listen to these warnings as everyone loses if they dont.

But do we ever learn

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 08:40PM

Gradius wrote: »

Are you saying it was easier to spread a disease worldwide in 2018 versus 2020?

How does 2 years make a difference?

Gradius · 26-09-2020 08:41PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How does 2 years make a difference?

There were no such thing as automobiles in 2018

Funsterdelux · 26-09-2020 08:41PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You could but the absence of an airport would make landing an interesting task.

Back then you could land in a field:pac:

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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