Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

JP Liz V1 · 26-09-2020 07:42PM

Very worrying depressing numbers again, can we just please please please stop the large gatherings, protests and parties etc.,

Funsterdelux · 26-09-2020 07:43PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Mine have almost all those benefits at home, including playdates with other families who haven't sent their kids back.

Thats great, we've pondered homeschooling over the years. Good luck with it.

I was encouraged to hear that my OHs school had a meeting during the week and they were organising Google classroom etc... it sounds like theyre at least preparing for closures/lockdowns.

Micky 32 · 26-09-2020 07:46PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

No we'll likely live the rest of our lives under some form of restrictions at least with intermittent periods of full on lockdown

Would that make you happy if that’s going to be the case? Would you love seeing people all restricted for the rest of their lives?

BTW even if Covid 19 can reinfect it doesn’t mean the end of the vaccine. You can be reinfected by the flu and there’s a vaccine. It would just mean you might have to periodically receive the vaccine like the flu jab. I’d have no problem with that.

alentejo · 26-09-2020 07:46PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Very worrying depressing numbers again, can we just please please please stop the large gatherings, protests and parties etc.,

Todays numbers in Northern Ireland would give more cause for concern. The ROI figures are OK today however you may need to take them with a pitch of salt. Very early signs that figures in ROI could be beginning to plateau.

Gradius · 26-09-2020 07:48PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Very worrying depressing numbers again, can we just please please please stop the large gatherings, protests and parties etc.,

Teenagers are the fastest spreaders of the disease according to an in-depth study from Korea.

From my own experience, here's the circle for them

1) there is less to do
2) therefore need to go out and socialise even more
3) spread infection
4) more things close, even less to do
5) even more moaning about the "need" to go out and socialise...

And repeat, around and round in a circle.

Parents need to parent and nip this stupidity.

Not only teenagers at this, but they have to be a very significant part of it overall.

BorneTobyWilde · 26-09-2020 07:48PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Very worrying depressing numbers again, can we just please please please stop the large gatherings, protests and parties etc.,

Eh all the pubs are open now, it's full steam ahead from the scenes I've seen. Funny time to hit the '' full steam ahead'' button, but here we all. They caved to the demands of the pubs, and we'll all pay for it.

growleaves · 26-09-2020 07:50PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Dream on , it didn't happen after the last serious pandemic it won't happen now. 2/3 years this will be a distant memory.

All that matters imo is how many apologists for rule by decree there are. Its very easy for the authorities to say "There's still too many cases" etc. since it is the interpretation of that data that matters most.

There is no objective view of the data. My own interpretation of the data is that 0-3 deaths a day does not warrant a quasi-Soviet rule by decree with local shutdowns brought in at a day's notice yet here we are.

It is easy to see this state of affairs continuing a long time if there only tiny numbers of people who will gainsay it.

Micky 32 · 26-09-2020 07:50PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

People were saying that it'd be a distant memory by now back in March. I wouldn't bet on it

You should learn some history on pandemics since the dawn of man. They all only lasted a couple of years and life always went back to normal. We’re not even a year into this yet.

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 07:52PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Followed by?

The 30's , 40's ( WWll) 50's ( time of great prosperity) 60's ( swinging sixties) 70's to now pretty much meh.
Point is if the world had kept up restrictions after the Spanish flu I doubt many of us would be here. The whole social distancing thing ( less riding).

prunudo · 26-09-2020 07:53PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Eh all the pubs are open now, it's full steam ahead from the scenes I've seen. Funny time to hit the '' full steam ahead'' button, but here we all. They caved to the demands of the pubs, and we'll all pay for it.

Its almost like they want them to fail so we can move to level 4 and shout, we told you pubs were the problem.

jackboy · 26-09-2020 07:53PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

You should learn some history on pandemics since the dawn of man. They all only lasted a couple of years and life always went back to normal. We’re not even a year into this yet.

Smallpox

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 07:54PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Imagine someone knew that the publican in Roscommon was awaiting a test and told people to watch out. Could have prevented some of the infection.

18th birthday party, I doubt the attendees would have cared.

Happydays2020 · 26-09-2020 07:55PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The 30's , 40's ( WWll) 50's ( time of great prosperity) 60's ( swinging sixties) 70's to now pretty much meh.
Point is if the world had kept up restrictions after the Spanish flu I doubt many of us would be here. The whole social distancing thing ( less riding).

So NPHET really do want to kill us off?

Gradius · 26-09-2020 07:57PM

Comparing the Spanish flu to this pandemic is like comparing a musket to a mini-gun.

One single person could, potentially, infect thousands of people in multiple countries within a day by flying on a plane.

It's a completely different world now.

Micky 32 · 26-09-2020 07:58PM

jackboy wrote: »

Smallpox

What about smallpox?

jackboy · 26-09-2020 07:59PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What about smallpox?

Lasted more than two years.

Alf Veedersane · 26-09-2020 08:01PM

growleaves wrote: »

All that matters imo is how many apologists for rule by decree there are. Its very easy for the authorities to say "There's still too many cases" etc. since it is the interpretation of that data that matters most.

There is no objective view of the data. My own interpretation of the data is that 0-3 deaths a day does not warrant a quasi-Soviet rule by decree with local shutdowns brought in at a day's notice yet here we are.

Restrictions aren't based on the number of deaths alone. The numbers of people being hospitalised and in ICU are increasing. Preventing those numbers from creating capacity issues for the healthcare system are drivers of restrictions.

I take the absolute numbers of cases as nothing more than a proxy for the more relevant figures.

MerlinSouthDub · 26-09-2020 08:01PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Mine have almost all those benefits at home, including playdates with other families who haven't sent their kids back.

Would you not be worried about whether the other families are maintaining social distancing, washing hands, wearing masks etc? Play dates sound high risk to me. In school, the kids come into contact with one adult only (highest risk of infection is with adult contact). Multiple play dates with 2 adults at each venue - recipe for virus spreading rapidly, if you ask me

Micky 32 · 26-09-2020 08:02PM

jackboy wrote: »

Lasted more than two years.

The average is 2/3 years. Well smallpox isn’t causing any restrictions or lockdowns so really irrelevant. Life still went on.

Funsterdelux · 26-09-2020 08:04PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The 30's , 40's ( WWll) 50's ( time of great prosperity) 60's ( swinging sixties) 70's to now pretty much meh.
Point is if the world had kept up restrictions after the Spanish flu I doubt many of us would be here. The whole social distancing thing ( less riding).

And a better world would have resulted.

CiarraiManc · 26-09-2020 08:05PM

Gradius wrote: »

Comparing the Spanish flu to this pandemic is like comparing a musket to a mini-gun.

One single person could, potentially, infect thousands of people in multiple countries within a day by flying on a plane.

It's a completely different world now.

Exactly. We've never seen anything like this before and god knows what's in store for us next

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 08:06PM

Gradius wrote: »

Comparing the Spanish flu to this pandemic is like comparing a musket to a mini-gun.

One single person could, potentially, infect thousands of people in multiple countries within a day by flying on a plane.

It's a completely different world now.

You're right a different world now, we have access to treatments and drugs unheard of 100 years ago.
Masks and SD were also a feature of handling the Spanish flu that is the only comparison I was drawing. SD was dropped within a few years.

spookwoman · 26-09-2020 08:06PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The average is 2/3 years. Well smallpox isn’t causing any restrictions or lockdowns so really irrelevant. Life still went on.

Micky 32 wrote: »

You should learn some history on pandemics since the dawn of man. They all only lasted a couple of years and life always went back to normal. We’re not even a year into this yet.

It is relevant when you said the above

growleaves · 26-09-2020 08:07PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

And a better world would have resulted.

What are you saying, you regret that there wasn't strict control of movement from 1918 onwards?

Micky 32 · 26-09-2020 08:07PM

Gradius wrote: »

Comparing the Spanish flu to this pandemic is like comparing a musket to a mini-gun.

One single person could, potentially, infect thousands of people in multiple countries within a day by flying on a plane.

It's a completely different world now.

People still travelled by boat to other countries and like you said takes only 1 to infect thousands, that’s what did happen. Estimated up to 100 million died world wide.

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 08:09PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Exactly. We've never seen anything like this before and god knows what's in store for us next

We haven't, the world has. Spanish flu, Black death. TB still kills in excess of 1.5 million each year.

growleaves · 26-09-2020 08:09PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Exactly. We've never seen anything like this before and god knows what's in store for us next

Its a routine virus outbreak.

The most 'novel' aspect of it the support of people such as yourself for a permanent dictatorship, controlled labour, total surveillance etc. as a consequence.

igCorcaigh · 26-09-2020 08:09PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Exactly. We've never seen anything like this before and god knows what's in store for us next

I think we got off really lightly with this one. I was watching H5N1 bird flu back in 2000s (?).

Alarming CFR and quite possible it could have gone global with the right mutation.

As a test run though, we have made a balls of this one in some ways. Hopefully we might learn from the experience and be better prepared next time.

Funsterdelux · 26-09-2020 08:10PM

growleaves wrote: »

What are you saying, you regret that there wasn't strict control of movement from 1918 onwards?

I cant regret it, I wasnt around then....

Or was I

Gradius · 26-09-2020 08:11PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You're right a different world now, we have access to treatments and drugs unheard of 100 years ago.
Masks and SD were also a feature of handling the Spanish flu that is the only comparison I was drawing. SD was dropped within a few years.

The scale is completely different too.

This whole thing could be eradicated overnight worldwide, all except for India.

By the end of the week the rest of the world would be re-infected.

The ease of transmission along with the pool of fresh hosts is unprecedented.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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