How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

niamh247 wrote: »

Sorry, could you please provide some evidence to support the statement saying schools have no effect in spreading the virus?

It was sarcasm

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

As a teacher - and this generally goes against what I’d normally say , get her to take photos and upload them . So many seem to believe schools are safe , but they really ,really aren’t .

What an awful idea and in breach of most school policies not to mention Gdpr.

It would gain nothing and she'd be in hot water. People are well aware of what schools are like, they just don't want to think about it, blinkers and all that.

The poster them self knows how bad it is and yet she still goes to school. We know the rules are a tick box and we know these kids need structure and education and socialisation, we accept the risk and make our choice.

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

It was sarcasm

I think she was looking for evidence to back up your sarcasm.
You seem pretty confident that schools are the main driver of spreading Covid.

Schools have been open for months in other countries so there should be evidence out there.

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

And I know of plenty that aren't physically required in office right now, and even with your anecdotes, they aren't required in every day, if we could do that with students in schools it would be of massive help

Workers who can do their job from home have that option, workers who are required on site are on site. I am required on site so working from home is not an option for me.
Untill the day that schools can deliver an online curriculum to each and every child across Ireland schools will be open. You dont have to like it but thats the situation we have.

beauf wrote: »

If we assume the schools will get locked down again.

Perhaps the schools should be also looking at having their remote learning and eLearning ready to go.

Perhaps the Department of Education should too........6 months on . Nothing .

beauf wrote: »

If we assume the schools will get locked down again.

Perhaps the schools should be also looking at having their remote learning and eLearning ready to go.

you seem to think schools are an autonomous entity- schools are bound by the rules and procedures of the dep of ed. And yes principals and teachers have been looking for a remote learning plan since the schools closed. It wasn’t considered as the gov has committed to a full reopening what ever the cost.

dubrov wrote: »

I think she was looking for evidence to back up your sarcasm.
You seem pretty confident that schools are the main driver of spreading Covid.

Schools have been open for months in other countries so there should be evidence out there.

Schools reopening and closing in a few countries might be evidence, studies showing children from age 10 upwards spread it as easily as children could be evidence.

In Ireland the numbers rising amongst 15-24 year olds rising could be evidence
https://twitter.com/ConorRiordan2/status/1307736059904692237


Hmm where to find evidence
Oh NOrway's biggest school
https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/i/BR569e/undefined

It was Norway's biggest school outbreak. Infection hunters believe the outbreak provides new insight into the role of children in the spread of infection.
40 cases could be traced to the school. The municipal superintendent in Lillestrøm believes that the outbreak at Sagdalen school calls into question what we know about children's role in the spread of infection.


An infection warning at Sagdalen school on Strømmen at the end of June triggered an infection hunt. This gave Lillestrøm's infection control team a lot to do. Aftenposten was visiting when municipal chief physician Bettina C. Fossberg and other employees worked full time to gain control of the situation. Stein Bjørge

Daniel Røed-Johansen
Daniel Røed-Johansen
Aug 26 2020 14:04
Last updated August 27, 2020
The school holiday had just begun, but at Sagdalen school on Strømmen it was anything but a holiday. Instead, an intense hunt for infection took place.

The alarm went off on June 23. Then the municipal chief in Lillestrøm, Bettina C. Fossberg, was notified of the situation at the school.

Students from six classes were brought back from vacation. A separate test station was set up at the school. Here, most students, all employees and many in the local community were tested in two rounds.

Now, two months later, the municipality and the National Institute of Public Health have made a report on the outbreak. It provides deeper insight into several areas. One of them is the role of children in the spread of infection. The municipal chief believes that this can provide important knowledge about how schools should relate to the pandemic.

Grandeeod wrote: »

I'm on the brink of saying enough is enough for my child. I really can't stand seeing stupid crap from her class mates and their parents. She can't either. The only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger is her needs and the fact that the secondary school is fairly rural. Once again, all I did was educate her about how it was gonna be so we could give it a chance. Its falling apart already.

So the only thing stopping you from pulling her out is the very reason why you sent her in the first place?????

Yeah not really that noble.

beauf wrote: »

During the lock down there was vary mixed response to remote learning. Some schools and teacher were amazing, some disappeared completely. I think it opened a lot of eyes.

Thats the whole point - if we need to lock down again we need a centralised plan with a very clear outline of whats expected. Hardware will need to be made available fir those without , broadband issues will need to be addressed. Educational Provision will also need to be made for those from DEIS and special schools etc etc

ETA we had a number of children who also disappeared despite laptops being dropped to their house and frequent is everything ok phonecalls. It does actually work both ways !

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Actually , no, they don’t . If they did , they wouldn’t send their children in . So many were taken in by DES spin re extra space / staff and the “ enhanced measures “ now being touted .

Well teachers know and teachers are sending their own kids to school.

Mrsmum wrote: »

Well teachers know and teachers are sending their own kids to school.

Yes we are. I'm watching the FB site and so far no cases in schools in my area. But when they occur in my kids schools or the schools of kids on their football teams, I will make a decision but so far taking it day by day and trying to encourage the kids to wear masks in school.

beauf wrote: »

Well you kind of expect the dog ate my homework from the kids, not so much from the teachers.

Parents are usually excluded from such oversight. No so much with remote learning.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on that - there is no excuse from anyone for opting out of engaging with the online learning ad hoc as it was. I’ve done this argument too many times at this stage but I taught to the 26th if June - our official finish date from May to June the fall off rate from parents / children was extremely high. As I’ve said it works both ways.