How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

lulublue22

JJJackal wrote: »

it appears to me that everyone would only like to work in schools if 0 risk. This won't be the case.

NHPET as time goes by will advise on who and how to test close contacts in school.

I note the concern is primarily about testing teachers. Not students, SNAs etc. Interesting

That’s an unfair assessment - the concern is about lack of testing in and of itself. Public health team will decide who needs to be tested and have stated that classmates may not be considered close contacts of an identified case of covid 19 in schools despite advice from the ECDC which indicates that all classmates should be considered a close contact.
Despite your desire to make this all about the selfish teachers it’s not

irishblessing

JJJackal wrote: »

it appears to me that everyone would only like to work in schools if 0 risk. This won't be the case.

NHPET as time goes by will advise on who and how to test close contacts in school.

I note the concern is primarily about testing teachers. Not students, SNAs etc. Interesting

Why are you posting so hyperbolically, and disingenuously? If that's all you have to try and make a point maybe it's time to consider that corner you've painted yourself in.

No one is saying or advocating 0 risk. We are only talking about in terms of implementing plans to be safer and to actually keep schools open, to ensure education continues in some way.

JJJackal

khalessi wrote: »

Well considering many people have referred to all staff in schools many many times in this thread and that you are new to discussion, I am sure it is. But teachers have the loudest voice so what applies to them also appllies to SNAs, office staff, caretakers, cleaners and other staff who work in schools. So do you think if they are not listening to teachers they are not listening to the other staff?

In the reopening of schools guidelines SNAs are barely referenced by the plans. They appear in a drawing and are not sd because they help the student. It was complained aobut at the time and fell on deaf ears. SNAs cannot do their job and socially distance.

Again you forget students... and you clearly refer to staff!

Clearly students not the priority

JJJackal

lulublue22 wrote: »

That’s an unfair assessment - the concern is about lack of testing in and of itself. Public health team will decide who needs to be tested and have stated that classmates may not be considered close contacts of an identified case of covid 19 in schools despite advice from the ECDC which indicates that all classmates should be considered a close contact.
Despite your desire to make this all about the selfish teachers it’s not

Your concern is about lack of extra testing

Follow NHPET guidelines

khalessi

JJJackal wrote: »

Again you forget students... and you clearly refer to staff!

Clearly students not the priority

Read the thread before getting fake indignant, student saftey is important, and the rule s are being broken for them. We can also include the school pets if you like, Gertie the goffer, george the goldfish, and the guinea pig twins.

I love people joining not reading the thread and getting indignant, once again the rules are being broken in schools and no safety for students, no sd on buses. SD not being carried out, on their plans they have students 40cm away from each other and it is fine. THis and many other issues affecting students have been mentioned loads but if they are not listening to the staff in schools will they listen to students?

Icyseanfitz

JJJackal wrote: »

Again you forget students... and you clearly refer to staff!

Clearly students not the priority

I am terrified for a lot of my additional needs students who are very high risk, have to be in school though, no other option has been given to them by the government.

Staff and student safety is the priority, stop trying to paint us as evil because we want an open and safe working environment, it's bs.

JJJackal

khalessi wrote: »

Read the thread before getting fake indignant, student saftey is important, and the rule s are being broken for them. We can also include the school pets if you like, Gertie the goffer, george the goldfish, and the guinea pig twins.

I love people joining not reading the thread and getting indignant, once again the rules are being broken in schools and no safety for students, no sd on buses. SD not being carried out, on their plans they have students 40cm away from each other and it is fine. THis and many other issues affecting students have been mentioned loads but if they are not listening to the staff in schools will they listen to students?

No one will listen to teachers once ASTI strike. Good will will be gone.

khalessi

JJJackal wrote: »

No one will listen to teachers once ASTI strike. Good will will be gone.

Noone is listening to teachers now or other staff or students, you forgot to mention them

Icyseanfitz

JJJackal wrote: »

No one will listen to teachers once ASTI strike. Good will will be gone.

As if there is any for school staff to begin with :pac:

BonsaiKitten

Such a shame that ASTI don't have a primary section imo. They're the only union worth joining.

Icyseanfitz

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Such a shame that ASTI don't have a primary section imo. They're the only union worth joining.

I am actually surprised it took them until now to start up, I suppose they thought people would cop on and see the dangers and call to fix them, which obviously hasn't happened.

Jinglejangle69

If teachers don't feel safe then fair enough.

Cancel schools.

But they can't remain on full pay at home.

It's not fair on all us mere mortals slaving away all during covid to pay full wages for people to sit at home.

Not fair lads.

Icyseanfitz

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

If teachers don't feel safe then fair enough.

Cancel schools.

But they can't remain on full pay at home.

It's not fair on all us mere mortals slaving away all during covid to pay full wages for people to sit at home.

Not fair lads.

Again as has been said over and ****ing over, none of us want schools to close, we want them opened in a reduced physical capacity where public health advice can be adhered to.

khalessi

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Again as has been said over and ****ing over, none of us want schools to close, we want them opened in a reduced physical capacity where public health advice can be adhered to.

Ah look if they cant mention pay, holidays, lazy teachers, schools closed since March, only about teachers etc, you know the usual cliches, they dont know what to say, sad really

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

And there has been absolute outrage over those deaths. Lessons should have been learned. It doesn't seem they have been. It's not about valuing one life over the other. It's about recognising where we failed those people and their families and doing better in future.

Which is poorer communities in precarious jobs, living in cramped conditions and vulnerable over 75s. Neither of those categories overly includes schools.

Icyseanfitz

khalessi wrote: »

Ah look if they cant mention pay, holidays, lazy teachers, schools closed since March, only about teachers etc, you know the usual cliches, they dont know what to say, sad really

I just find the ignorance of people who have no idea how a school works, or how hard the majority of staff actually work on a daily basis with the little resources and support given to be incredibly infuriating.

downthemiddle

meeeeh wrote: »

Which is poorer communities in precarious jobs, living in cramped conditions and vulnerable over 75s. Neither of those categories overly includes schools.

Poorer communities, cramped conditions and vulnerable individuals are very much part of the issue in schools.

teachinggal123

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I just find the ignorance of people who have no idea how a school works, or how hard the majority of staff actually work on a daily basis with the little resources and support given to be incredibly infuriating.

Aff sake, get over yourself.

Have a look in any hospital ward if you want to see people working hard and in desperate circumstances. Or any nursing home.

Locotastic

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Aff sake, get over yourself.

Have a look in any hospital ward if you want to see people working hard and in desperate circumstances. Or any nursing home.

Would teachers not be mortified standing on a picket line with what the country has gone through and is still going through?

From ASTI

“It is unthinkable that at a time when teachers have demonstrated tremendous commitment to their students and to keeping education going, that schools would introduce work changes which have a further negative impact on teachers’ working lives. This smacks of crisis opportunism and cannot go unchallenged.”

Ah god love them.

Icyseanfitz

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

thanks a million, hopefully its just the flu. Regarding testing in april, she had all the symptoms, even the loss of taste and smell, but there just wherent enough tests to go around so the doctor said to stay home and isolate for 2 weeks.

How did ye’re tests go icy?

alroley

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Aff sake, get over yourself.

Have a look in any hospital ward if you want to see people working hard and in desperate circumstances. Or any nursing home.

Weren't you constantly posting about how schools need more safety (blended learning, more PPE etc.) which is exactly what ASTI are balloting for?

How's the return to work going for you? Still not bothering to actually help and teach your students?

Blondini

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Aff sake, get over yourself.

Have a look in any hospital ward if you want to see people working hard and in desperate circumstances. Or any nursing home.

And your experience of "working hard" is what?

Exactly. None.

Icyseanfitz

Deleted User wrote: »

How did ye’re tests go icy?

Negative result thank god, still quite sick though. Thanks for asking

Icyseanfitz

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I am actually surprised it took them until now to start up, I suppose they thought people would cop on and see the dangers and call to fix them, which obviously hasn't happened.

Not going to happen. Even a thread like this which should have identified the prime concerns within a week of schools opening when the gaps were becoming apparent, has instead descended into argument and division.

Meanwhile, the wet pubs outside Dublin are all opening tomorrow. But carry on arguing and pretend we don't know full well that the affect overall will be enormous. Someone wrote in an earlier post that they felt some people posting on here would be disappointed if this didn't have a catastrophic end. Well they won't be disappointed.

Icyseanfitz

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Aff sake, get over yourself.

Have a look in any hospital ward if you want to see people working hard and in desperate circumstances. Or any nursing home.

I am not speaking for myself but for my colleagues who work their asses off to help children get an education, or is that not an important job.... Strange considering how it flip flops between essential and a not that important to suit people's agendas.

Icyseanfitz

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Negative result thank god, still quite sick though. Thanks for asking

I wonder would they monitor some of the samples from those samples from those such at yourself who are ill for influenza? Would be useful info as a pre warning for an emerging parallel flu issue

Locotastic

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder would they monitor some of the samples from those samples from those such at yourself who are ill for influenza? Would be useful info as a pre warning for an emerging parallel flu issue

Basically half the country has had rhinovirus or similar cold this last couple of weeks, hence the huge jump in tests coinciding with the reopening of schools.

Smacruairi

Locotastic wrote: »

Basically half the country has had rhinovirus or similar cold this last couple of weeks, hence the huge jump in tests coinciding with the reopening of schools.

Jaysus it's great that you opened your third account just to dismiss the recent trend upwards and lockdown n Dublin as "a rhinovirus or similar colds". Wonder if marquees could have stopped the spread, or even fringes.

wirelessdude01

meeeeh wrote: »

So a death of a meat factory worker, bus driver, care assistant is part of the job but a death connected to education is a truly poignant moment in Irish history. I love how you put value of your life above other Covid victims. A truly pompous statement with complete disregard for sacrifices people in other professions made.

It will be due to the government doing what they have.

wirelessdude01

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

It will be due to the government doing what they have.

If only we could go back to those pre Covid days where no one ever died of an infectious disease