Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yes they increased when people thought wearing a mask made you bullet proof.
And increased again with schools

So we giving out when we shut things down, now ye want schools shut?

We had two cases that came from the kids parents

Many of these at high risk, want us to change our way of life. Yet much of the risk, is probably down to their own poor lifestyle " choices" over weight, smokers etc...

Idbatterim wrote: »

Many of these at high risk, want us to change our way of life. Yet much of the risk, is probably down to their own poor lifestyle " choices" over weight, smokers etc...

Not at all. They want us to do the basic things right. Wash our hands, wear masks in shops, social distancing and not to go out if you feel unwell.

Now most of these things we should of being doing, ie wash your hands and stay in if unwell before covid

Idbatterim wrote: »

Many of these at high risk, want us to change our way of life. Yet much of the risk, is probably down to their own poor lifestyle " choices" over weight, smokers etc...

So true...I’ve a friend that works on the health service front line...full of it about Covid (I avoid the topic completely)...but guess what? Still smoking away!

I’d love to say if you’re that worried about Covid you wouldn’t be smoking but could not be arsed getting into a big argument about it.

I felt my own personal health suffered through lockdown- I ate more take aways and way less exercise due to the gym closures. I’m trying to rectify that now

The group said the decision came “on the same day that Professor Philip Nolan of Nphet admitted the body has no data to show where in Ireland the infections are originating from.”

Donall O’Keeffe, Chief Executive of the LVA, told the Irish Independent: “It’s quite clear now the Government has little say in how this country is being run and we’re now being ruled by Nphet.

“Welcome to Nphet-land. They are closing down swathes of businesses in Dublin, pushing thousands of people out of work - and yet Nphet admits they don’t have any data to show where the infections are arising in Ireland.

“Despite that lack of data, the Government has empowered them to inflict whatever guidelines they want without challenge.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/you-have-just-fired-a-lot-of-restaurant-staff-tonight-fury-in-dublins-bars-and-restaurants-after-tens-of-thousands-spent-on-protective-measures-39542453.html

Farce. Where is Penfailed to tell us this isnt permanent?

Seriously what in the gods name is going on? Restaurants have fridges full of food.......... govt shuts them down OVERNIGHT. Or should I say NPHET. NPHET LAND. Where are the cases coming from? We dont know. But we will shut down restaurants as a start. Retail outlets will be next come next month you heard it here first.

“I have fridges full of food that are now not going to be used. The Taoiseach referenced avoiding confusion a lot on Tuesday but now we’re onto a seven-point plan, not a five-point one. We had level two-and-a-half on Tuesday and this is level three-and-a-half. In level three it says indoor dining will remain.

The living with covid plan is void and null within 3 days of being announced. Taxpayers money has never been wasted in such large sums so quickly.

average_runner wrote: »

You can do that in a responsible society, not in Ireland.

We were asked to behave responsibly but clearly didnt.

And yet our numbers are currently lower than Portugal's.

Yeah once again the Irish people think we ourselves are just 'stupid Paddies' and the rest of the world are better than us.

I just can't understand this mentality.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

it's easy for politicians to make grand statements like that. Boris Johnson said the same last month and is now considering implementing a second national lockdown. Macron has said the same in France and they are hurtling towards the need for a second lockdown.

Events, dear boy, events.

Perspective, my friend, perspective... and reality... and pragmatism.

Maybe the Portugese PM knows that his country can't economically survive another harsh lockdown. Maybe it's that the WHO admitted lockdowns aren't the way to go (unless they've changed that advice again? who knows!). Maybe he knows that the small minority of people who actually are at any significant risk need to protect themselves instead because he can't keep putting them over the needs of the majority?

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

According to ads on the radio they intend to post this fantasy/pick n mix "plan" out to every household in the country too.

Why? What's the point when it's already been bypassed twice in a week? Maybe to act as firelighters when the weather changes perhaps?

More expense at our expense.

I have no bins, can’t afford them - anything like this the government sends gets put into my nearest post box. I was delivered 4 copies of the last rubbish, it’s going back.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The group said the decision came “on the same day that Professor Philip Nolan of Nphet admitted the body has no data to show where in Ireland the infections are originating from.”

Donall O’Keeffe, Chief Executive of the LVA, told the Irish Independent: “It’s quite clear now the Government has little say in how this country is being run and we’re now being ruled by Nphet.

“Welcome to Nphet-land. They are closing down swathes of businesses in Dublin, pushing thousands of people out of work - and yet Nphet admits they don’t have any data to show where the infections are arising in Ireland.

“Despite that lack of data, the Government has empowered them to inflict whatever guidelines they want without challenge.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/you-have-just-fired-a-lot-of-restaurant-staff-tonight-fury-in-dublins-bars-and-restaurants-after-tens-of-thousands-spent-on-protective-measures-39542453.html

Farce. Where is Penfailed to tell us this isnt permanent?

Seriously what in the gods name is going on? Restaurants have fridges full of food.......... govt shuts them down OVERNIGHT. Or should I say NPHET. NPHET LAND. Where are the cases coming from? We dont know. But we will shut down restaurants as a start. Retail outlets will be next come next month you heard it here first.

“I have fridges full of food that are now not going to be used. The Taoiseach referenced avoiding confusion a lot on Tuesday but now we’re onto a seven-point plan, not a five-point one. We had level two-and-a-half on Tuesday and this is level three-and-a-half. In level three it says indoor dining will remain.

The living with covid plan is void and null within 3 days of being announced. Taxpayers money has never been wasted in such large sums so quickly.

Next month?

That's very ambitious of you. The way NPHET are moving it could very well be next Tuesday or Thursday, depending on how they are feeling next week. "Oh, I think we should shut the shops down now, just in case" and MM will do whatever he is told.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

On that (unrelated) point.. I'm the same. I live alone, generate a black bag of everything maybe once a fortnight, and don't need 3 bins I've nowhere to put anyway (townhouse/end of terrace with no back garden) at 30 plus a month.

I bought a single black wheelie bin second hand for 20 quid and when it gets to 5/6 bags I bring them all to the local dump (every 2 months or so). €15 takes care of the lot.

Might be worth looking into?

Thanks, good idea about a second hand wheelie - that would be better than my current set up. I do the same as you, but trying to stop as much unwanted stuff coming in. I’m trying to go zero waste anyway, frustrating when your postman ignores the ‘no junk mail’ sign.

Penfailed wrote: »

A couple of years isn't permanent.

I think at this stage i’ll take a couple of years if i knew it was the end in sight.

yawhat? wrote: »

Yes, I would definitely take nphet’s perspective over that of restaurant owners who have a vested interest. That’s basic cop on. Restaurant owners and the LVA should be directing their ire at businesses and fellow citizens who aren’t complying with existing guidelines and restrictions.

You are basically saying that governments actions, or inaction, bear no responsibility for anything thats happening in Ireland currently and that all the blame is with the public?

You know who else would say this about their country? A citizen of North Korea.

Why do you think Ronan Glynn tells you he is very concerned every day? Hes been saying that when new cases were 5, 8, 14, 3, 9, 11, 20, 4, 7 in July and August and he is expressing identical concerns during last 2 weeks when new cases are 220, 350, 270, 240 etc?

Because he has nothing else to say. He can not come out and say
-that hospital capacity in Ireland has been increased by 50%.
-He can not come out and say that 10 ICU beds were added over the last 6 months.
-He can not come out and say that "we are better prepared now than in March to deal with the virus" because they are not.

They are incompetent. And you support their incompetence through your "BLAME THE PUBLIC. PUBLIC IS AT FAULT CLEARLY!" Who are you going to blame excess cancer deaths on? Me? Fintan? Dubs?

Penfailed wrote: »

*sticks hand up*

Do you want me to say it again? The restrictions are not permanent.

All depends on when your death days is, for a lot of the elderly who will die in the next few years, there permanent.
Our kids will be so damaged by this they will never be right again. There's already permanently damaged communities who will never recover even if we get back to normal.

Until I see a Government plan with level 1 as normal, restrictions are permanent.