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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #6782
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    froog wrote: »
    christ it's not a mystery. large groups of kids (not in schools) are spreading this and bringing it back to homes. not restaurants.
    But only 100 odd cases of kids.


  • #6783
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I'd like to know this too. As far as I can tell, it's not illegal to go down the country on the holiday I've booked. I'm torn on this decision to be honest. I have to check my bookings, but if any are non refundable that will likely sway my decision.

    Garda enforcement question just raised by the press. Micheal dodging the question.. Says there will be regulations but no specifics

    By the sound of him though there'll be no legal powers to enforce.


  • #6784
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    I see that social and family gatherings are restricted to 6 people from one household.

    So if you have 4 kids one of them has to stay in the shed during dinner time is it?


  • #6785
    CiarraiManc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 204 ✭✭CiarraiManc


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    He's still an idiot that has had no consistent opinion from one day to the next. Having a Boards account gives one the right to post an opinion here.

    Maybe we should listen to people like him rather than conmen and chancers like Karol sikora.


  • #6786
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    That level of death didn't happen in Sweden who didn't lockdown like us.

    True

    IFR at the highest is 0.5%

    Every single person in the country would have to be infected for 20,000 people to die

    A million would have to be infected to even get to 5,000 deaths


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  • #6787
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Do all the people that are happy to see business close in Dublin for 3 weeks know that we all will be paying for the 50,000 people now unemployed? I understand that things needed to be done to slow the growth in Dublin but not create more unemployment!!
    This open up/lockdown yo yo needs to stop!

    The Dublin lockdown also affects anywhere else in Ireland that was going to welcome staycations under the Govt scheme from 1 October.


  • #6788
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    froog wrote: »
    christ it's not a mystery. large groups of kids (not in schools) are spreading this and bringing it back to homes. not restaurants.

    Why are the school kids immune from your theory?


  • #6789
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    I see that social and family gatherings are restricted to 6 people from one household.

    So if you have 4 kids one of them has to stay in the shed during dinner time is it?

    No, it's 6 outside/other people from the one household - in addition to your own


  • #6790
    CiarraiManc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 204 ✭✭CiarraiManc


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    True

    IFR at the highest is 0.5%

    Every single person in the country would have to be infected for 20,000 people to die

    A million would have to be infected to even get to 5,000 deaths

    Can I've a verified source for that figure please?


  • #6791
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,690 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    Jeez.......Meehaul is rubbish

    ........and again Leo digging him out


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  • #6792
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,414 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Leo steadying the sinking ship.


  • #6793
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭Polar101


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I'd like to know this too. As far as I can tell, it's not illegal to go down the country on the holiday I've booked. I'm torn on this decision to be honest. I have to check my bookings, but if any are non refundable that will likely sway my decision.

    I've a booking in three weeks - in theory when the restrictions might be over. I think I'll wait till next week and see how things look like, and then maybe cancel.

    If I cancel the 'staycation', then I'm going abroad instead - so which is better for the Irish economy?


  • #6794
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Do all the people that are happy to see business close in Dublin for 3 weeks know that we all will be paying for the 50,000 people now unemployed? I understand that things needed to be done to slow the growth in Dublin but not create more unemployment!!
    This open up/lockdown yo yo needs to stop!
    Someone supporting these restrictions doesn't mean they welcome the economic difficulties that will come out of it. €30m extra is being made available.


  • #6795
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    CiarraiManc wrote: »
    Maybe we should listen to people like him rather than conmen and chancers like Karol sikora.

    You listen to him if you wish , just like a few here I'll continue to ignore him.


  • #6796
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Boggles wrote: »
    750-1000 instances of unknown transmission in the past 14 days.

    Between 53 - 71 a day.

    It wasn't too long ago that was the complete case count per day.

    This was the problem that the famous, all-singing, all-dancing, app was supposed to do. The app was yet another expensive supposed solution to all our problems.
    I’m surprised none of the journalists ask about it at these pressers.


  • #6797
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    is_that_so wrote: »
    But only 100 odd cases of kids.

    most young people/kids are asymptomatic. we know this. and i don't know about you but i've seen large groups of young people congregating for months now with zero social distancing. this is how it's getting into households. it's mind boggling how no one seems to get this.


  • #6798
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,685 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's been said a few times here now, I'll say it again. Because of the fact that the tracing system can only account for 2 days from day of testing, the full means of how the virus is being transmitted is being constantly missed. We cannot day that x y & z aren't places/ways where the virus has been spreading; we just don't have sufficient t information. The virus is potentially infectious for much further back than the tracing system had bend designed to account for. The people accountable now are those who signed off on the validity of this system in the first place. Of course knowledge was less then; however currently the tracking system is not fit for purpose and needs updating.

    You're spot on.

    I don't understand why health officials and the Government haven't sharpened up their messaging around contact tracing.

    The purpose of contact tracing is to stop the chain of transmission, not to identify the source where the patient contracted the virus. Contact tracing is concerned with identifying your close contacts in the period that you have become infectious and trying to stop community transmission from happening. Looking back at your movements last week won't help in that regard and the contact tracing system just wouldn't be able to cope with the pressure regardless.

    It's blatantly obvious that the fact contact tracing only identifies contacts 48 hours previous to the test then it is not identifying the source of infection. It was never meant to identify the source of infection. Therefore of course we have low numbers for restaurants and pubs in terms of sources of outbreaks.

    Then people are pointing to the numbers for household outbreaks and conflating them and making it out that they are all house parties. They aren't. It's parents, siblings or sons and daughters being tested after a family member contracts the virus and thus it's showing up as a household cluster.

    Of course house party's are happening and of course it is spreading as a result of those too. However people are just outright deluded if they think community transmission isn't occurring in social settings such as pubs and restaurants.

    Give it a couple of weeks of pubs and restaurants being closed and it will demonstrate this. Cases will fall in Dublin.


  • #6799
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Leo steadying the sinking ship.

    More like trying to bail water in the final hours of the Titanic


  • #6800
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    froog wrote: »
    christ it's not a mystery. large groups of kids (not in schools) are spreading this and bringing it back to homes. not restaurants.

    Long thread but you might read it for elucidation

    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1306908075161518081


  • #6801
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,414 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Has Stephen Donnelly been at any presser since he got the negative test result?


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  • #6802
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    More like trying to bail water in the final hours of the Titanic
    It's not really the Titanic, it is a bit of a leaky bucket though!


  • #6803
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Stheno wrote: »
    the info graphic says otherwise

    Well he said advised. Nothing down in regulations for it at the moment anyway


  • #6804
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Long thread but you might read it for elucidation

    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1306908075161518081

    There you go!.......we are all too stupid to understand these things.


  • #6805
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,690 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    Meehaul: Ronan is the "healthspert"


  • #6806
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Someone supporting these restrictions doesn't mean they welcome the economic difficulties that will come out of it. €30m extra is being made available.

    €30m will never be enough! It’s not difficulties it’s devastation of our Capital!! It contributes €106 BILLION to our economy!!


  • #6807
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    Mehole Martin “I’ll get Ronan to comment on this”

    Equals “ I haven’t a clue and ain’t answer anything without my get out of jail card “

    Brutal brutal performance as usual.


  • #6808
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,690 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    Think Taoiseach needs Rescue Remedy to help calm him down


  • #6809
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Has Stephen Donnelly been at any presser since he got the negative test result?

    He has had further tests to see if he is fit to be Minister for Health. Those tests also came back negative.


  • #6810
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    €30m will never be enough! It’s not difficulties it’s devastation of our Capital!! It contributes €106 BILLION to our economy!!

    Has Google and the rest of trillion dollar tech companies been closed down?

    :confused:


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  • #6811
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Long thread but you might read it for elucidation

    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1306908075161518081

    i've read it. it can be summed up as "we don't know how this is getting into households but it could be restaurants". actual quote: "We would like to go back and find out where people are getting the virus, but we don’t have the time or resources to pursue this academic exercise."

    i've been in a few restaurants the last few months, all of them had really good controls in place. and the adults i know and have seen have been more or less compliant with public health guidance.

    the only thing i've seen with my own eyes that could be driving transmission is large groups of young people. who we know are mostly asymptomatic and so very hard to catch with covid.


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