Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

DangerScouse · 17-09-2020 01:32PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's not so much fear as they know the justice system is so screwed up that getting a prosecution at all is hard enough, never mind an effective one.

Yeah no i agree with that aspect also but that's not an excuse not to turn up and enforce the law when these scummers act out. Iv'e reported anti social behaviour before on several occasions and have been given various excuses "we've no car in the area" seems to be the favourite. Don't get me wrong i respect the Gardai but i just wish they would be a little more forceful with these sh1theads

Sorry going way off topic here.

mcgragger · 17-09-2020 01:34PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Stealing from future generations.

We'll always be in debt. Covid or not.

17-09-2020 01:36PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Of course they do, but they're even more concerned about their political futures and that of the parties. Add to that a generally weak, uninspired cabinet and set of ministers and the net result is that they are terrified to take any decision that they might have to also take responsibility for.

This is why Martin was at pains on the 6.1 the other day to stress NPHET's role and discretion over the "plan", and why Leo set up the precedent in the first place in March/April by effectively deferring all the decisions to them. It was only when members of his own Government started pushing back that Leo was forced to take an active role again.

Our political leaders are more concerned about their own political survival and futures than that of the businesses and people whose futures are being sacrificed by the measures they're rubber-stamping.

Exactly. They have secure jobs and 6 figure salaries. Even a pay cut would be pocket change for them. Recession won’t majorly impact them.

And when the recession does hit, they’ll just claim that they followed public health advice and saved thousands of lives....

Sure plenty of people on here already believe that lockdown is the only reason that 50K didn’t die.

polesheep · 17-09-2020 01:41PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

“We need to take into account other factors other than purely public health. We need to recognise that we have managed to suppress this virus. Back in April, on one day there were 155 people in ICU with the virus, today there are 14.

“This second phase of the pandemic is not like the first phase. My concern is the impact this is having not just on young people and children but on the mental health of the elderly and the anxiety levels of the country. We can't have a situation whereby restrictions are brought in, then removed, numbers go back up again. We’ll drive ourselves mad if we keep doing this for another five or six months,” Deputy O’Callaghan said.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/well-drive-ourselves-mad-if-we-keep-doing-this-for-another-five-or-six-months-jim-ocallaghan-on-covid-restriction-changes-39539583.html

We need more of this. So so so much more of this. This thing that we lost as a country, when we accepted the 9 euro meal for pubs serving food idea. The common sense.

A key line in my opinion is: "We have to live with caution and not fear." I stated in the 'Will you travel forum' on my return from Italy that my feeling while over there was one of precautions rather than restriction, fear and doom.

I think it's time now that the authorities simply asked people to be cautious. I believe that the majority of people would be happy to exercise caution knowing that there was no threat of restrictions.

JRant · 17-09-2020 01:44PM

woodchuck wrote: »

The number of house parties would likely reduce if people were allowed to drink in a pub instead. It's likely safer for people to drink in a controlled environment (a pub) instead of an uncontrolled environment (a house party).

This is just a theory of course, but surely one worth trying. It also has the added bonus of boosting the economy.

It's a theory that the government themselves agree with but are unwilling to implement it.

CruelSummer · 17-09-2020 01:46PM

Penfailed wrote: »

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“ On the one hand you don't want professors to give their opinion but on the other, you want doctors to be free to give their opinion. You can't have it both ways. This fella wasn't even a practising doctor. He's chairman of the board and is 70. He'll be retiring on a lovely pension.”

Just to respond to this section of the reply, it seems any Professor who sings to the hymn sheet of deadly virus, lockdown, 4 more waves, endless restrictions, zero Covid utopia - is given free reign and actually promoted across all media platforms. One doctor gives an alternative point of view, of which there is plenty of data to back up his arguments and he’s ‘sacked’ sorry I mean forced into ‘resigning’. This is horrible behaviour and there is no balance to the narrative. There should always be a middle ground.
I can almost hear NPHET jumping up and down at the meeting today calling for a ‘lockdown’ Dublin now approach so all can be well within their little corner of the Covid only world. I would be interested to see what source is leaking to the Independent and others today & yesterday re ‘further restrictions are coming’ for Dublin. It’s almost like an attempt to force the Government’s hand...

Captain_Crash · 17-09-2020 01:46PM

mcgragger wrote: »

I have to disagree with your there.

I think one reason house parties have increased, especially in the capital is because collages are back to an extent and many students who had gone home are now back in the city with eff all to do other than get sh*t faced... like a good student should.

With pubs and clubs closed, they'll just sesh in an apartment

Zebra3 · 17-09-2020 01:48PM

mcgragger wrote: »

We'll always be in debt. Covid or not.

So just needlessly add on more for future generations to pay back?

For something that has nothing to do with them?

17-09-2020 01:54PM

I hear NPHET want level 4 for Dublin. If the government agree to that, that may well be the final nail in the economic coffin.

Unemployment would likely jump back to over 20% and more billions spent to pay people to sit at home.

And the cases either won’t go down or will just jump back up a few weeks later.

For years to come we will have deaths and all kinds of societal issues caused by lockdown/restrictions.

mcgragger · 17-09-2020 01:56PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

So just needlessly add on more for future generations to pay back?

For something that has nothing to do with them?

when you are talking billions what difference does it make.

Me and my kids will be paying back Berties **** up from 2008 for the next 50 years - sure tagging more on makes no difference.

growleaves · 17-09-2020 02:00PM

mcgragger wrote: »

when you are talking billions what difference does it make.

Me and my kids will be paying back Berties **** up from 2008 for the next 50 years - sure tagging more on makes no difference.

It does make a difference if the country becomes even more of a tax farm than it is already. Would you be happy to pay two USC taxes instead of one? That makes it harder to live, harder to get a house, harder to pay health insurance, harder to retire etc.

facehugger99 · 17-09-2020 02:04PM

mcgragger wrote: »

when you are talking billions what difference does it make.

Me and my kids will be paying back Berties **** up from 2008 for the next 50 years - sure tagging more on makes no difference.

:rolleyes:

average_runner · 17-09-2020 02:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hear NPHET want level 4 for Dublin. If the government agree to that, that may well be the final nail in the economic coffin.

Unemployment would likely jump back to over 20% and more billions spent to pay people to sit at home.

And the cases either won’t go down or will just jump back up a few weeks later.

For years to come we will have deaths and all kinds of societal issues caused by lockdown/restrictions.

Doesn't matter what level they do, they are making a balls of it.

Stopping kids from playing sports outside is the most stupid thing ever. The chance of spreading the virus is so low.

Level 3: Adults can play sports but kids can't.

Newsflash Kids aren't the main spreaders.

average_runner · 17-09-2020 02:12PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I think one reason house parties have increased, especially in the capital is because collages are back to an extent and many students who had gone home are now back in the city with eff all to do other than get sh*t faced... like a good student should.

With pubs and clubs closed, they'll just sesh in an apartment

Thought colleges weren't back yet? Thought the plan was for remote learning also?

House parties have been going on since August, so not students.

Not sure the pub will do anything to stop the spread though. Most pubs in Dublin are open

Assetbacked · 17-09-2020 02:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hear NPHET want level 4 for Dublin. If the government agree to that, that may well be the final nail in the economic coffin.

Unemployment would likely jump back to over 20% and more billions spent to pay people to sit at home.

And the cases either won’t go down or will just jump back up a few weeks later.

For years to come we will have deaths and all kinds of societal issues caused by lockdown/restrictions.

At least wet pubs are still open in level 4, so while not open now they can open if we move Dublin out of level 2.213232545 :rolleyes:

It's such nonsense, there is absolutely nothing which indicates to a reasonable observer that we should go to level 3 or even level 4. Our health service is one of the worst in all of Europe. The incompetence is astounding and the general public sees for perhaps the first time on a large scale how inefficient and elitist the management are. This is NPHET. Fianna Fail have put Stephen Donnelly as health minister and Fine Gael had Simon "remember there was covid 1 -18 before covid 19" Harris. I work in the private sector and thrive where there is a less intrusive government policy to our industry but these people and these structures are shocking. They are so inept it cannot be understated.

average_runner · 17-09-2020 02:22PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

At least wet pubs are still open in level 4, so while not open now they can open if we move Dublin out of level 2.213232545 :rolleyes:

It's such nonsense, there is absolutely nothing which indicates to a reasonable observer that we should go to level 3 or even level 4. Our health service is one of the worst in all of Europe. The incompetence is astounding when the general public sees for perhaps the first time on a large scale how inefficient and elitist the management are. This is NPHET. Fianna Fail have put Stephen Donnelly as health minister and Fine Gael had Simon "remember there was covid 1 -18 before covid 19" Harris. I work in the private sector and thrive where there is a less intrusive government policy to our industry but these people and these structures are shocking. They are so inept it cannot be understated.

You need to see the video of Donnelly, where he was doing the Mario levels

Made more sense

Ginger n Lemon · 17-09-2020 02:25PM

Irish times dont disappoint, speculate and spew out inaccurate fear mongering before it's even announced

"Life in Level 3: What will happen under new restrictions in Dublin?

Can I travel outside Dublin?
People should not leave the county unless for work, education or other essential purposes.

Am I allowed to have social or family gatherings?
You are allowed visitors from one other household only in your home or garden. No social or family gatherings should take place in other settings."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/life-in-level-3-what-will-happen-under-new-restrictions-in-dublin-1.4357391

I hope you can see the key word. This farce has gone on long enough.

I predict another protest within 14 days IF they are silly enough to announce level 3. We have 15% unemployment in the country, thats every 6th person over the age of 18 unemployed. Those people with absolutely nothing to do and with little money in their pocket, angry (and some are hungry) are more and more likely to make themselves heard and seen.

2,000 + gathered last week in front of government building. its only a matter of how many now for the next one.

17-09-2020 02:29PM

If you read back over these restrictions threads, a few of us predicted exactly what would happen as far back as April.

Economy destroyed - Check
Country officially in recession - Check
Huge unemployment- Check
Lockdown / Restrictions failed - Check
Urgent screenings/Treatment ignored - Check
No vaccine for some time yet - Check
Civil unrest - Check

At this moment in time, we are already living with heavy restrictions. The only solution the government/NPHET can see is even more restrictions. And it doesn’t look like we will change tactic anytime soon.

The future of our country/economy now rests on someone finding a vaccine.

Future generations will curse us for crashing the country so badly on them for an illness struggling to even kill 2000 people.

topper75 · 17-09-2020 02:30PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Fuppin 'ell.

I've been on boards for donkey's years and that is the first time I've ever thanked a solitary rolleyes.

Because what else is there to be said.

Assetbacked · 17-09-2020 02:35PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Irish times dont disappoint, speculate and spew out inaccurate fear mongering before it's even announced

"Life in Level 3: What will happen under new restrictions in Dublin?

Can I travel outside Dublin?
People should not leave the county unless for work, education or other essential purposes.

Am I allowed to have social or family gatherings?
You are allowed visitors from one other household only in your home or garden. No social or family gatherings should take place in other settings."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/life-in-level-3-what-will-happen-under-new-restrictions-in-dublin-1.4357391

I hope you can see the key word. This farce has gone on long enough.

I predict another protest within 14 days IF they are silly enough to announce level 3. We have 15% unemployment in the country, thats every 6th person over the age of 18 unemployed. Those people with absolutely nothing to do and with little money in their pocket, angry (and some are hungry) are more and more likely to make themselves heard and seen.

2,000 + gathered last week in front of government building. its only a matter of how many now for the next one.

A bigger turnout followed, predictably, by media articles lazily linking it to Trump and far-right etc.

I'm not far right at all and wouldn't attend a protest but the government advised by NPHET are coming across as extremists to me.

A key part of my own response to the new guidance is the "should" versus what is the legal requirement.

road_high · 17-09-2020 02:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you read back over these restrictions threads, a few of us predicted exactly what would happen as far back as April.

Economy destroyed - Check
Country officially in recession - Check
Huge unemployment- Check
Lockdown / Restrictions failed - Check
Urgent screenings/Treatment ignored - Check
No vaccine for some time yet - Check
Civil unrest - Check

At this moment in time, we are already living with heavy restrictions. The only solution the government/NPHET can see is even more restrictions. And it doesn’t look like we will change tactic anytime soon.

The future of our country/economy now rests on someone finding a vaccine.

Future generations will curse us for crashing the country so badly on them for an illness struggling to even kill 2000 people.

Lockdowns have been an unmitigated failure, disaster. What do they? They certainly don’t get rid of or reduce an endemic virus if that’s what the supposed aim is... Keep repeating the same nonsense over and over.
This is no longer about a virus. This is solely about political damage limitation. Nothing more

Ginger n Lemon · 17-09-2020 02:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you read back over these restrictions threads, a few of us predicted exactly what would happen as far back as April.

Economy destroyed - Check
Country officially in recession - Check
Huge unemployment- Check
Lockdown / Restrictions failed - Check
Urgent screenings/Treatment ignored - Check
No vaccine for some time yet - Check
Civil unrest - Check

At this moment in time, we are already living with heavy restrictions. The only solution the government/NPHET can see is even more restrictions. And it doesn’t look like we will change tactic anytime soon.

The future of our country/economy now rests on someone finding a vaccine.

Future generations will curse us for crashing the country so badly on them for an illness struggling to even kill 2000 people.

A great summary of govts efforts over the last 6 months. Paschal gets a special mention.

road_high · 17-09-2020 02:42PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

A great summary of govts efforts over the last 6 months. Paschal gets a special mention.

In summary that’s about the sum of the “achievements” since March. Amazing isn’t it?

Allinall · 17-09-2020 02:45PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Here's which Dublin Bus routes are curtailed the most due to anti-social behaviour

DUBLIN BUS ROUTES have been curtailed a total of 92 times so far this year, an increase of over 30% on the same time last year.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-bus-anti-social-behaviour-2-5207033-Sep2020/

Level 3 or 4 or 5, whatever they announce today they better not ask gardai to enforce it. Gardai have clearly dropped a ball this year, due to them being asked to walk around pubs and measure distance between tables.

The youth in my area is out of control, non stop fireworks ever since Leaving cert results came out last week... seriously worrying.

Gardai were never asked to measure the distance between tables in pubs.

Stormyteacup · 17-09-2020 02:47PM

mcgragger wrote: »

when you are talking billions what difference does it make.

Me and my kids will be paying back Berties **** up from 2008 for the next 50 years - sure tagging more on makes no difference.

If there’s so many billions floating about to be borrowed eternally and spent, could they not address the hospital sh*tshow?

That’s the sole reason NPHET are in a panic. Numbers admitted to hospital and ICU remain small but average stays can be many weeks so beds not freeing up once taken. Flu season around the corner with annual trolley crisis incoming.

How many of 73,000 ‘on call for Ireland’ applicants were utilised?

200 odd

Six months they’ve known this was coming.

Ginger n Lemon · 17-09-2020 02:50PM

road_high wrote: »

In summary that’s about the sum of the “achievements” since March. Amazing isn’t it?

Yes. Actually post the most iconic / idiotic thing you've heard from the govt over last 6 months.

I ll go first "would you have some cop on"

this the sort of thing that seriously damaged govts credibility. I didnt see Danish health minister talking to population like to 14 year olds.

road_high · 17-09-2020 02:50PM

Allinall wrote: »

Gardai were never asked to measure the distance between tables in pubs.

They've been "inspecting" pubs serving food- asking patrons what meal they had to eaat.....- illustrates how far we've sunken into insanity that no one sees fir to question such illogical inane and wasteful nonsense.

Allinall · 17-09-2020 02:51PM

road_high wrote: »

They've been "inspecting" pubs serving food- asking patrons what meal they had to eaat.....- illustrates how far we've sunken into insanity that no one sees fir to question such illogical inane and wasteful nonsense.

Have they?

Any links?

Thierry12 · 17-09-2020 02:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hear NPHET want level 4 for Dublin. If the government agree to that, that may well be the final nail in the economic coffin.

Unemployment would likely jump back to over 20% and more billions spent to pay people to sit at home.

And the cases either won’t go down or will just jump back up a few weeks later.

For years to come we will have deaths and all kinds of societal issues caused by lockdown/restrictions.

They will never agree to level 4?

If Dublin goes to level 4 and we lose all hospitality it's over

We will be at level 10 when the flu season hits hard in Nov/Dec

road_high · 17-09-2020 02:53PM

Allinall wrote: »

Have they?

Any links?

No but personal friend from a local pub...two Gardai came out from the local town (12 km away) to inspect. Bona fide story- pub has been using local take away menu.

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