Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Just heard Matt Cooper say that certain GPs aren't seeing patients, only a phone consultation.

Some posters argued this wasnt case last weekend, and questioned my credibility.

When everyone opens their eyes and removes the Covid blindfold, this thread will get much busier.

thebaz wrote: »

From people I know and have talked to, I'd say about 50 - 60% of Dubliners are just fed up with the situation, we have done our best , asked to lockdown again I think 50 % will go crazy - Why not isolate/cocoon the at risk the over 75's, the and people immuno-suppressed , let the rest try to live some form of (social distanced) life , think more restrictions will be met with fierce backlash - I have obeyed everything I've been asked to do, but I too am at breaking point.

How come they haven't thought of that? They must be thick. Educated my asre! Shur the answers are staring them in the face. Data this and statistics that. Shur anyone with a bit of common sense could tell them how to do their jobs. At this stage there's no chance they are doing their best to make decisions for the greater good. No chance. They're up to something alright. Just up for pure divelment and enjoying making people's lives a misery. We've all had enough. Time to rise up against these so called experts. We've put up with this long enough and we want to go back to normal and live with it, whatever that means. Rabble rabble rabble.

thebaz wrote: »

all the modeling predicted last March has come to pass - but sure we are only stupid common people , not academics. rabble rabble.

Your right. It's just that simple! No need to look into it any further than that.

Could this new plan have been implemented back in July ?

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I saw an ad during the 6.1 earlier that talked about how people shouldn't trust their feeds and held RTE News up as a source of truth.

Sure.. unless the story/facts doesn't fit the accepted narrative I guess!

in my experience that would apply to those who complain about the likes of rte not reporting their preferred opinions rather then actual facts, rather then rte.

Stormyteacup wrote: »

This exactly. On the main thread a few are mentioning how earnest and worried Glynn was in press conference - I think he recognises that the main messages, handwashing, distancing, masks often necessary etc. are being lost.

The government has yet again misjudged the mood of the people but Glynn knows the reality is that an increasing portion of society are on the brink of rejecting all advice out of hand, throwing the baby out with the bath water in frustration.

You can wail all you want that people need to suck up the restrictions, but with little to look forward to, everyday media gloom, life plans on hold and financial hardship for many, more people are opting out altogether. Might not be what the utopians ‘in this together’ crowd wants to believe of their fellow countryman, but there isn’t good enough reason to ask this much of society. That’s the reality.

People are worn out.

They had one chance to get the balance and message right, and they blew it.

everyone is well aware there are people who won't comply with anything to try and deal with this, that is why most countries have harsh enforcement of what restrictions they have.
i'm sure there will be a few more who will opt out of pulling their weight, but here is the thing, it's not going to make restrictions go away, in fact if enough opt out to make the virus
transmission rate in the community a big problem again, the government will deal with it and there will be more, and much much harshly enforced restrictions to enforce compliance, in all likelyhood.
people who decide not to comply with restrictions are just going to make things hard for themselves in the long run, they aren't going to win this battle in reality.

Deleted User wrote: »

We have now had restrictions for over half a year. Based on what I have seen over the last 2 days...

NPHET and Gov are no longer on the same page. NPHET likely want a lot more restrictions and are very concerned.

Gov have a real dilemma as we can’t afford any of this and several more months could really kill this country for years to come.

Most people are not prepared to lockdown again. Most people I know would prefer to acknowledge the risks and take responsibility themselves.

Vaccine needs to come soon or world will really start fallen apart. Fall out will already be huge if things went back to normal right now.

I think it’s the correct decision to move away from NPHET advise. We need to start acknowledging how f*cked the economy is.

the country is more or less open, we are not going to be killed. yes we will and have taken an economic hit as we were always likely to do no matter what due to this, but ultimately we will in all likelyhood be able to afford to deal with the covid issue.
lock down was people acknowledging the risks and taking responsibility themselves, along with a government mandated removal of non-essential things in an aim to suppress the virus so that it could be managed and we could start to open up again.
the government won't be moving away from nphet advice, they will do as they have always done and take it on board and make the decisions based on multiple factors.
the government have been acknowledging the economy since the very start, hence the balancing act, it was never going to be the case that the government would prioritize the economy over everything, because it was never going to work, protection of the economy could only work by suppressing and managing the virus.

thebaz wrote: »

From people I know and have talked to, I'd say about 50 - 60% of Dubliners are just fed up with the situation, we have done our best , asked to lockdown again I think 50 % will go crazy - Why not isolate/cocoon the at risk the over 75's, the and people immuno-suppressed , let the rest try to live some form of (social distanced) life , think more restrictions will be met with fierce backlash - I have obeyed everything I've been asked to do, but I too am at breaking point.

we are already advising the vulnerable to take extra precautions while allowing the rest of us to live our lives socially distanced, however, isolating them altogether would not be workable.
if there was to be a back clash against more restrictions, it would just mean more of them, as the government are not going to simply abolish them while the virus remains in the community.
so those engaging in the back clash would just be making things harder for themselves. turkeys voting for christmas essentially.

Fakediamond wrote: »

So the govt and nphet are worried about overwhelming the health system, as happened in Italy. And there’s a growing percentage of the population that want to take their chances with the virus and have a more normal life. How about introducing a system whereby people can opt in or out of the restrictions? If you opt out, you do not get a bed in a hospital if you get the virus and stay at home to get better or not. That way, it leaves the health service freed up to treat those who are medically vulnerable and have bought into following the guidelines, kind of like a reward system for good little citizens.

Should be easy enough to police using the tracker, if you catch the virus in a pub or nightclub, don’t ask the govt to deal with the aftermath. Have your freedom from govt interference and take personal responsibility for your choices.

I presume you would be happy for those same rules to apply to people who smoke or are fat. I mean they are personal choices as well and chew up a lot of healthcare resources.

JRant wrote: »

I presume you would be happy for those same rules to apply to people who smoke or are fat. I mean they are personal choices as well and chew up a lot of healthcare resources.

No, I am only applying it to the virus minimizers for now because they could overwhelm the health system in a few short weeks.

In the old days at funfairs you always got a tent inside of which sat Madame ("insert exotic name"), dressed in exotic clothing who consulted a crystal ball sitting on a small table. Using her mystic powers she claimed to be able to foretell your future. Nobody believed this.

Nowadays, you get an office inside of which sits a man ("insert less exotic name"), dressed in a suit, who consults a computer sitting on a desk. Using his mystic powers, cleverly disguised as a "scenario model" (I kid you not) he claims to be able to foretell all our futures. There are people who believe this.

.....and to the poster who posted "Why not isolate/cocoon the over 75's" - GFY.

CruelSummer wrote: »

I see the U.K. have also been encouraging their population to report their neighbours for ‘non-compliance’ of their new guidelines. Any politician that would suggest something that could divide society further should be sacked in my opinion.

Social media, the general media and our Government's use of it in relation to Restrictions & their enforcement need an urgent review before any new measures are introduced.

1. Why are there leaks prior to every new announcement? This is not working in relation to the guidelines the Government are trying to communicate and causes confusion.

As sure as night follows day, there will be leaks from government sources.

2. Why do the Government think it is ok to ‘badger’ the public into obedience. The harassment of the public to not dare get on a plane abroad for instance earlier this summer, instigated by Dr Tony Holohan. It set a dangerous precedent re the public’s outrageous behaviour towards any poor tourists that made the mistake of wanting to holiday in Ireland this year and could damage our image & industry for a long time to come.

To try to get the public to be compliant. They messed that up with #golfgate

3. Why are Professors who are not part of NPHET or the Government’s response given free reign across all media platforms, many of whom are speaking with personal/financial gain in mind rather than the good of the Irish people.

I didn’t catch the name of a Professor on Newstalk earlier this week with Pat Kenny, his comments were absolutely disgraceful. He was suggesting people be charged with manslaughter for not wearing a mask, and a raft of other police state responses to the virus. He spent the interview ‘blaming’ the people for their ‘non-compliance’ as to the reason for the increasing cases. I want to make a complaint to Newstalk about this disgraceful interview. Nothing about all the sacrifices people made engaging in a pointless lockdown which just kicked the can down the road. Yes we should have locked down at the start, but not for the length we did.

Why shouldn't professors talk to the media? You want to complain to Newstalk...but are you going to?

4. Why did the HSE force this doctor to ‘resign’? Is this best practice in medicine? Are we not a democracy anymore where doctors can give their opinion backed up by facts on the current situation? Is this making an example of a doctor to deter any others in the HSE who share his views from speaking out? They won’t have many staff left if they do as many share his views...
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/doctor-resigns-from-hospital-group-after-comments-on-draconian-covid-19-curbs-1.4356244%3fmode=amp

On the one hand you don't want professors to give their opinion but on the other, you want doctors to be free to give their opinion. You can't have it both ways. This fella wasn't even a practising doctor. He's chairman of the board and is 70. He'll be retiring on a lovely pension.

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Business only getting back to some normality (for example private bus services mainly focused on Dublin have only just returned) and they react like idiots yet again and headless chickens yet again. Dreadful

The thing that really pi**es me off, is that nobody talks about the most common symptom that new covid cases currently display.

Is that people are perfectly healthy.

Covid is a seasonal sickness, you will see 500 - 1000 new cases a day next month, 100% guaranteed, that will be the case until March. it has nothing to do with masks, or sanitisers or compliance. Ronan Glynn will say he is "very concerned" next month. 100% guaranteed.

Paschal came out yesterday and suggested that Dubs should not attend weddings outside of Dublin. That is where we are at as a country. A finance minister, instead of focusing on 15.4% unemployment we have (we have for over 2 months now.......) he, you know, as you do, comes out and suggests what people should or should not do. :rolleyes:

Another hammer blow for the decimated hotel and leisure industry, also retail: thry rely hugely on people from the surrounding counties buying there