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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #7652
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Problem is we aren't getting told the facts, information is being hidden from the public as well as from the people working within schools


    Whats needed is a statement from Ronan Glynn laying out the facts of what has been happening in schools since they went back.
    Totally ignoring the subject is not helping anybody.
    It smacks of them trying to hide information from the general public.

    How hard is it for them to make a simple statement, when they are having their press conference, laying out the facts of the situation virus in schools clearly to everyone.


  • #7653
    902l45irqnwbah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭902l45irqnwbah


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    Whats needed is a statement from Roan Glynn laying out the facts of what has been happening in schools since they went back.
    Totally ignoring the subject is not helping anybody.
    It smacks of them trying to hide information from the genral public.


    How hard is it for them to make a simple statement, when they are having their press conference, laying out the facts of the situation virus in schools clearly to everyone.

    I don't agree I think it would possibly cause stress for children hearing schools mentioned every night. Parents will be informed if any case is in the school is that not sufficient.


  • #7654
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,539 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Back again? :pac:


  • #7655
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Will Wooden Quadrilateral wrote: »
    I don't agree I think it would possibly cause stress for children hearing schools mentioned every night. Parents will be informed if any case is in the school is that not sufficient.

    Schools are incredibly stressful for kids at the moment regardless, constantly being reminded to keep their masks on and sanitise everything or risk killing nan and grand dad isn't doing wonders for their mental health.


  • #7656
    902l45irqnwbah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭902l45irqnwbah


    Boggles wrote: »
    Back again? :pac:

    Is that aimed at me? If so I don't think I have ever posted on this thread so you have the wrong person.


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  • #7657
    902l45irqnwbah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭902l45irqnwbah


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Schools are incredibly stressful for kids at the moment regardless, constantly being reminded to keep their masks on and sanitise everything or risk killing nan and grand dad isn't doing wonders for their mental health.

    I know, mine are only in primary so don't have the masks but they are very aware of all things covid. I suppose I would not like to add to that stress for any of them. I don't really see the benefit of hearing about the cases in schools unless there was a serious problem in rising cases that we should be concerned about. A daily briefing of cases would only be an extra stress on the kids, I know when I listen to the news I feel stress when I hear the numbers myself.


  • #7658
    mvl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭mvl


    definitely this type of information should be published daily, on official channels.
    causing stress on the children - hilarious: broadcast it at the times children are supposed to be doing something else, like being in school ?!?


  • #7659
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Schools are incredibly stressful for kids at the moment regardless, constantly being reminded to keep their masks on and sanitise everything or risk killing nan and grand dad isn't doing wonders for their mental health.

    Most I what I hear is that most kids are delighted to be back in school. Living in the country, maybe as there is a more relaxed atmosphere due to the lower cases it might be less tense, and can imagine in areas with larger case numbers that there is more tension in general which in turn lead to a more stressful environment for kids


  • #7660
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Will Wooden Quadrilateral wrote: »
    I know, mine are only in primary so don't have the masks but they are very aware of all things covid. I suppose I would not like to add to that stress for any of them. I don't really see the benefit of hearing about the cases in schools unless there was a serious problem in rising cases that we should be concerned about. A daily briefing of cases would only be an extra stress on the kids, I know when I listen to the news I feel stress when I hear the numbers myself.

    But if we knew all the numbers and facts we could reassure the children by not sending them into schools/classes with known cases. As it is they know it's there but don't know if it's in their class or their school or even their county, they are in limbo, kids arnt stupid, they know what's going on.


  • #7661
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Most I what I hear is that most kids are delighted to be back in school. Living in the country, maybe as there is a more relaxed atmosphere due to the lower cases it might be less tense, and can imagine in areas with larger case numbers that there is more tension in general which in turn lead to a more stressful environment for kids

    Of course this is what your hearing, I work in a rural school, and there are plenty of scared looking children around the halls in between classes and at lunch times, they've had it drilled into them since March about social distancing and fighting the virus only to be thrown into an impossible situation within schools. By the way most kids don't love being in school, they love seeing their friends, getting up to mischief and having chats..... They where doing this during the summer holidays.


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  • #7662
    902l45irqnwbah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭902l45irqnwbah


    mvl wrote: »
    definitely this type of information should be published daily, on official channels.
    causing stress on the children - hilarious: broadcast it at the times children are supposed to be doing something else, like being in school ?!?

    yeah hilarious you obviously don't have a child who is affected by all the coronavirus talk. broadcast it at times they are in schools?? that is hilarious, as if it wouldn't be rebroadcast on every radio show and later on the news etc.


  • #7663
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Will Wooden Quadrilateral wrote: »
    I don't agree I think it would possibly cause stress for children hearing schools mentioned every night. Parents will be informed if any case is in the school is that not sufficient.
    They're NOT being informed in many cases. There were 13 outbreaks in schools on Saturday 12th and not one of them was closed down. Not because there isn't virus spread but because the reality is completely devoid of any sense. It's a "by hook or by crook" approach so that the economy isn't suffering too much hardship at once with everyone off work. Who the hell knows what it's all going to look like this time next month with the doubling rate increasing rapidly. Growth is exponential and these buildings full of mixing and close contact are absolutely vectors, but it's the economy over anything else.

    The experiment has failed, take your kids out of school if you have the luxury and want to be one of the fortunate ones down the line. It's not even a gamble because you've nothing to lose and everything to gain.


  • #7664
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,870 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    s1ippy wrote: »
    They're NOT being informed in many cases. There were 13 outbreaks in schools on Saturday 12th and not one of them was closed down. .

    That's fantastic news in fairness.

    Schools should stay open regardless.

    The virus, is to all intents, harmless to the vast, vast majority.
    s1ippy wrote: »
    take your kids out of school if you have the luxury and want to be one of the fortunate ones down the line. It's not even a gamble because you've nothing to lose and everything to gain.

    Absolutely - free up more teaching-time for other kids.


  • #7665
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Will Wooden Quadrilateral wrote: »
    yeah hilarious you obviously don't have a child who is affected by all the coronavirus talk. broadcast it at times they are in schools?? that is hilarious, as if it wouldn't be rebroadcast on every radio show and later on the news etc.
    Good idea, atrocities of any kind should actually be suppressed by media censorship because it might upset children. I can't even work out why we don't do that already.


  • #7666
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    That's fantastic news in fairness.

    Schools should stay open regardless.

    The virus, is to all intents, harmless to the vast, vast majority.



    Absolutely - free up more teaching-time for other kids.

    That's lovely until it's you or yours that's very sick with the "sure it's only 1% of people that die" Bull****


  • #7667
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,539 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    Whats needed is a statement from Ronan Glynn laying out the facts of what has been happening in schools since they went back.
    .

    We got statements about schools last night from the briefing.

    The first from a lady (don't know her name) stated that there was zero outbreaks / clusters in schools, none. It has been a great success.

    This was quickly followed by Paul Reid sheepishly suggesting there was more than 2 outbreaks and a bit of transmission within them. Vague would be an under statement.

    Then we had the detailed document yesterday morning saying 13 outbreaks in schools.

    So it's either Zero, 2ish or 13.

    Glynn did pipe up and say schools have been a great success and keeping them open is vital.

    But he didn't indulge in cluster bingo and offer any number himself.

    None of that is suspect at all. Move along.


  • #7668
    902l45irqnwbah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭902l45irqnwbah


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Good idea, atrocities of any kind should actually be suppressed by media censorship because it might upset children. I can't even work out why we don't do that already.

    where did I say anything should be covered up. I said unless there was an actual covid problem in schools the benefits on reporting each school case on the news every night is lost on me. of course if there was an issue that is a different story. My understanding from my school has been that if a case in the the school all parents will be informed. that is enough for me.

    making it sound like I believe that media should be censored is a dramatic leap from what I said and makes you look idiotic.


  • #7669
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Will Wooden Quadrilateral wrote: »
    where did I say anything should be covered up. I said unless there was an actual covid problem in schools the benefits on reporting each school case on the news every night is lost on me. of course if there was an issue that is a different story. My understanding from my school has been that if a case in the the school all parents will be informed. that is enough for me.

    making it sound like I believe that media should be censored is a dramatic leap from what I said and makes you look idiotic.

    Covid-19 is a contagious virus, it doesn't happen all at once, what we are seeing in schools right now is the start of the problem.

    On the case of parents getting notified, they don't unless their kid is in a pod, basically sitting at the same desk as a confirmed case, parents of the other children within that class don't have to be notified.


  • #7670
    902l45irqnwbah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭902l45irqnwbah


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Covid-19 is a contagious virus, it doesn't happen all at once, what we are seeing in schools right now is the start of the problem.

    On the case of parents getting notified, they don't unless their kid is in a pod, basically sitting at the same desk as a confirmed case, parents of the other children within that class don't have to be notified.

    thank you. I do understand covid is a contagious virus. I am a microbiologist, I was unaware that in some schools parents of a case in a class would not be informed. My school are obviously handling it differently or at least that is what we were told, I would not be happy to think there could be a case in the class and I wouldn't know about it.


  • #7671
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Will Wooden Quadrilateral wrote: »
    where did I say anything should be covered up. I said unless there was an actual covid problem in schools the benefits on reporting each school case on the news every night is lost on me. of course if there was an issue that is a different story. My understanding from my school has been that if a case in the the school all parents will be informed. that is enough for me.

    making it sound like I believe that media should be censored is a dramatic leap from what I said and makes you look idiotic.
    I don't think every individual case needs to be reported in a newspaper story of its own. I never said anything like that, now you're engaging in conjecture. But keeping the map of cases, even the stupid geohive one that they told us would be updated weekly, would give an indication as to where clusters are and help give people some clarity on the situation. People who have health issues but are not necessarily high-risk (people who look after those with disabilities, less serious health conditions etc) could really do with knowing what hotspots to avoid. Just don't look at it if it makes you uncomfortable or if it doesn't mesh with the self-deception you're engaging in.

    As for the "idiotic" comment, my feelings are in tatters now, especially coming from a bastion of intellect who wants to live in a totalitarian regime because they don't know how to turn off the news when a child is around.
    Will Wooden Quadrilateral wrote: »
    I would not be happy to think there could be a case in the class and I wouldn't know about it.
    Well prepare to be incredibly unhappy in the coming months.


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  • #7672
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    s1ippy wrote: »
    There's a lot of teachers in this thread who have been fighting for better judgement around schools (and I was one not long ago so many of my very good friends are teachers) but yes, I do mean all of those groups. Thrown under the bus entirely and now it's driving back over them again.


    Sorry just spotted you'd announced it

    The more that see it, the better. And thank you for contributing to that site. I am not on facebook and am resisting returning to it but with the site https://twitter.com/schools_19 closing I will have nowhere to find out what schools have/had cases. Why is the media ignoring this so completely????????


  • #7673
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    Boggles wrote: »
    Remember, there is no limit of virus instance or growth in the country that will close the schools.

    None.

    Level 5 restrictions.



    When you click on the "protective measures" link you are directed to a happy video telling us how the teachers will keep everyone safe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=80&v=92MLB_0nq8Q&feature=emb_logo

    Presumably as long as the teacher isn't in ICU on ventilator.

    So schools and people who work in schools are at the same level as meat factories.

    The stark difference being the level of surveillance, testing and tracing that goes on in these factories is South Korean'esque.

    If I were a teacher, I'd be getting a part time job packing rashers with Galtee.

    I think that schools will close at a crises point all on their own though. Teachers will become ill/need to quarantine. Hopefully we can manage to stay on top of testing as well. UK is facing a meltdown in their schools according to this article:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8741843/Testing-fiasco-threatens-schools-chaos-Teachers-call-coronavirus-screening.html

    "The testing fiasco threatens education chaos with nearly every school in the country suffering problems, it was claimed yesterday.

    Leaders of teaching unions warned of 'lockdown by default' as thousands of pupils are being sent home from lessons.

    They have called on the Government to prioritise the education sector for allocation of Covid tests as the crisis may make 'staff- ing unsustainable'.

    It was reported yesterday that at least 740 schools have shut or sent children home because of suspected outbreaks, with some sending whole year groups away."


  • #7674
    902l45irqnwbah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭902l45irqnwbah


    s1ippy wrote: »
    I don't think every individual case needs to be reported in a newspaper story of its own. I never said anything like that, now you're engaging in conjecture. But keeping the map of cases, even the stupid geohive one that they told us would be updated weekly, would give an indication as to where clusters are and help give people some clarity on the situation. People who have health issues but are not necessarily high-risk (people who look after those with disabilities, less serious health conditions etc) could really do with knowing what hotspots to avoid. Just don't look at it if it makes you uncomfortable or if it doesn't mesh with the self-deception you're engaging in.

    As for the "idiotic" comment, my feelings are in tatters now, especially coming from a bastion of intellect who wants to live in a totalitarian regime because they don't know how to turn off the news when a child is around.

    no self deception going on here, I have a young family member with a serious underlying condition which adds to my stress so as an intelligent person I then turn off the news myself at times, yes of course the news can be turned off when a child is around, but then how do you stop them hearing things on radio, at school from other family members, even hearing adults discussing it, I am a logical person. my point was simply that I did not see a benefit in the cases being listed in schools in the daily briefing, I see no harm in having it in the map or whatever medium that someone could look up themselves.


  • #7675
    [Deleted User]
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    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Of course this is what your hearing

    Yes it is, from my own experience of walking kids to school gate a couple of days a week, and from family, friends and work colleagues


  • #7676
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    Will Wooden Quadrilateral wrote: »
    yeah hilarious you obviously don't have a child who is affected by all the coronavirus talk. broadcast it at times they are in schools?? that is hilarious, as if it wouldn't be rebroadcast on every radio show and later on the news etc.

    It's on parents to shield their children from overhearing this. I can play my own music in the car and keep a kids programme on the tv and my kids would be none the wiser. My partner and I chat about worrying things or concerns after the kids have gone to bed. It's not that hard.

    Saying kids are subjected to this info as if we have no control over it to try and make a case to keep us all in the dark is ridiculous.


  • #7677
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes it is, from my own experience of walking kids to school gate a couple of days a week, and from family, friends and work colleagues

    And my experience working closely with 10 students and more widely with 700 students tells a different story.


  • #7678
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I have a very anxious 10 year old who I have been keeping away from media as much as possible. He is terrified about bringing Covid home and I don't want him hearing stats on the news but its impossible to shield them completely. Kids talk and right now Covid is a huge talking point. Parents can only do so much.


  • #7679
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    That's fantastic news in fairness.

    Schools should stay open regardless.

    The virus, is to all intents, harmless to the vast, vast majority.



    Absolutely - free up more teaching-time for other kids.

    How can you post such blatant bs?

    20% of those who catch covid will need to be hospitalised, 5% of them on ventilators. Many more will be dealing with "long covid" where they still haven't fully recovered months later. Doctors and researchers have said they still don't know what all the long term effects the virus will have, but that it certainly affects the heart, lung tissue and other organs. Possibly permanently. You're talking nonsense every time you post here.

    And I'm getting sick of you smirking about some keeping their kids out of school in order to be safe. When there's no national plan b or requirement on schools to teach them so the burden falls on parents. Who normally would be able/want to homeschool but are faced with a horrible choice. And maybe because them, their child, or other family members are in a higher risk category too. They'd be faced with no help for their children's education, and you always harp on about how amazing it is for the kids still in school, when it means other kids are faced with a disadvantage. And stress on parents one of whom may have to give up work. Have a heart and some decency.


  • #7680
    902l45irqnwbah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18 ✭902l45irqnwbah


    irishblessing wrote: »
    It's on parents to shield their children from overhearing this. I can play my own music in the car and keep a kids programme on the tv and my kids would be none the wiser. My partner and I chat about worrying things or concerns after the kids have gone to bed. It's not that hard.

    Saying kids are subjected to this info as if we have no control over it to try and make a case to keep us all in the dark is ridiculous.

    Seriously are people just not bothered to read posts? I never said we should be kept in the dark. I merely said I did not see the benefits of stating the cases in schools in daily briefings. see the different. Jesus. Also I understand that I can shield my kids from a lot of this but I certainly cannot shield them from it all nor would I want to. I just don't think it is necessary. Do you keep your kids out of shops and away from schools too? cos they will hear and see things related to coronavirus there too. Off the high horse please and actually read my post next time.


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  • #7681
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Knine


    irishblessing wrote: »
    How can you post such blatant bs?

    20% of those who catch covid will need to be hospitalised, 5% of them on ventilators. Many more will be dealing with "long covid" where they still haven't fully recovered months later. Doctors and researchers have said they still don't know what all the long term effects the virus will have, but that it certainly affects the heart, lung tissue and other organs. Possibly permanently. You're talking nonsense every time you post here.


    I agree. My friend has developed a heart issue after having Covid & my 12 year old daughter ended up in hospital on oxygen.


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