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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Internet anecdotes are great.

    Meanwhile back in the real-world, 0.001% of the population are currently hospitalized with this terrifying virus.

    The general public will not accept their children's education being sacrificed to placate the covid-bedwetters or the teaching unions.


    Are you still pretending you have school-age kids, if we're discussing internet anecdotes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭TTLF
    save the trouble and jazz it up


    I think another unfortunate issue for schools is how they’re not strict with their social distancing. Not to say there isn’t any strict measures of course, but compared to a hospital or business, it’s not at that standards, and could possibly fall even lower.

    Take the idea of masks for example, (from what I’ve seen) a lot of teachers are often wearing the visors / half visors rather than an actual mask or medical mask, or in some cases, they don’t wear any masks because they’re at the top of the classroom and gage what they think is “2 meters.”

    Another idea I’ve noticed is the 72 hour wait time to correct work, 72 hours to hand it back etc. Eventually some (but not all) will just disregard that rule because they see it as tedious and annoying whilst correcting their students work to wait so long to give it back to them (usually a total of 9 days) especially current 6th years who had it bad enough already cutting 5th year short.

    My point here is, social distancing cannot be monitored in schools as decently as company’s or hospitals because it’s both not enforced or both students (especially) or teachers become a little lazy in keeping fully to the guidelines.

    One thing I am thankful for though, is that everyone seems to still keep up wiping down their desks before and after the lesson, which has been encouraged by teachers and students alike. Wearing masks properly too (but my year group is all 17 or 18 so we would be mature enough to not mess with masks)

    I’m not a teacher, but I am a student, so this is my insight from the “inside” (if you’re neither of those) and I feel for the most part, it’s been going “decently” but they can certainly do better. There’s talk everyday of “when do you think schools would close again” or “look at the lack of social distancing, what’s the point in pods

    I’m worried however, the rules for COVID in schools won’t be as strictly followed in the coming months when people become more “used” to the COVID-school atmosphere. (Wiping desks, handing back work etc.) and on top of this, it worries me that only a certain year group will be contacted if a COVID case takes place. There hasn’t been any in my school (from what I know) so far, but it’s a little silly not to contact the entire school when the term “social distancing” goes completely out the window during the morning or break/lunch time when nobody properly social distances or wears a mask.

    As a 6th year however, I’m very happy I’m back in school and into a regular routine! Still a little knock in confidence over the actual LC taking place this year, but only time will tell.

    Have a lovely afternoon! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,536 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    TTLF wrote: »
    I think another unfortunate issue for schools is how they’re not strict with their social distancing. Not to say there isn’t any strict measures of course, but compared to a hospital or business, it’s not at that standards, and could possibly fall even lower.

    Take the idea of masks for example, (from what I’ve seen) a lot of teachers are often wearing the visors / half visors rather than an actual mask or medical mask, or in some cases, they don’t wear any masks because they’re at the top of the classroom and gage what they think is “2 meters.”

    Another idea I’ve noticed is the 72 hour wait time to correct work, 72 hours to hand it back etc. Eventually some (but not all) will just disregard that rule because they see it as tedious and annoying whilst correcting their students work to wait so long to give it back to them (usually a total of 9 days) especially current 6th years who had it bad enough already cutting 5th year short.

    My point here is, social distancing cannot be monitored in schools as decently as company’s or hospitals because it’s both not enforced or both students (especially) or teachers become a little lazy in keeping fully to the guidelines.

    One thing I am thankful for though, is that everyone seems to still keep up wiping down their desks before and after the lesson, which has been encouraged by teachers and students alike. Wearing masks properly too (but my year group is all 17 or 18 so we would be mature enough to not mess with masks)

    I’m not a teacher, but I am a student, so this is my insight from the “inside” (if you’re neither of those) and I feel for the most part, it’s been going “decently” but they can certainly do better. There’s talk everyday of “when do you think schools would close again” or “look at the lack of social distancing, what’s the point in pods

    I’m worried however, the rules for COVID in schools won’t be as strictly followed in the coming months when people become more “used” to the COVID-school atmosphere. (Wiping desks, handing back work etc.) and on top of this, it worries me that only a certain year group will be contacted if a COVID case takes place. There hasn’t been any in my school (from what I know) so far, but it’s a little silly not to contact the entire school when the term “social distancing” goes completely out the window during the morning or break/lunch time when nobody properly social distances or wears a mask.

    As a 6th year however, I’m very happy I’m back in school and into a regular routine! Still a little knock in confidence over the actual LC taking place this year, but only time will tell.

    Have a lovely afternoon! :D

    i really hope we are all worrying for no reason like idiots and that you will have a great year in school :) great to see the point of view of a student put up here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭KerryConnor


    Structural work... Most schools got 12k for structural i think and 4 weeks notice and no extra staff. How much change do you imagine can actually happen ??

    Will Yam wrote: »
    If that is the case, then there is a shedload of money being spent for nothing.

    I haven’t info for all schools but the few I am aware of there is considerable expenditure. One school I’m familiar with had to get structural work done - it’s going ahead without tendering, on quite a significant amount.


    I don’t believe schools should be bound up in bureaucracy but to say schools are where they were last September maybe true in the cases you are aware of, but not in mine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    TTLF wrote: »
    My point here is, social distancing cannot be monitored in schools as decently as company’s or hospitals because it’s both not enforced or both students (especially) or teachers become a little lazy in keeping fully to the guidelines.

    I’m not a teacher, but I am a student, so this is my insight from the “inside” (if you’re neither of those) and I feel for the most part, it’s been going “decently” but they can certainly do better. There’s talk everyday of “when do you think schools would close again” or “look at the lack of social distancing, what’s the point in pods

    I’m worried however, the rules for COVID in schools won’t be as strictly followed in the coming months when people become more “used” to the COVID-school atmosphere. (Wiping desks, handing back work etc.) and on top of this, it worries me that only a certain year group will be contacted if a COVID case takes place. There hasn’t been any in my school (from what I know) so far, but it’s a little silly not to contact the entire school when the term “social distancing” goes completely out the window during the morning or break/lunch time when nobody properly social distances or wears a mask.

    As a 6th year however, I’m very happy I’m back in school and into a regular routine! Still a little knock in confidence over the actual LC taking place this year, but only time will tell.

    Have a lovely afternoon! :D

    I actually find your opinion and observation more informed and insightful than any other person on this thread. Really appreciate it. Best of luck and of course health for this year, and hope all this doesn’t stress you too much. I genuinely mean that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    mvl wrote: »
    definitely this type of information should be published daily, on official channels.
    causing stress on the children - hilarious: broadcast it at the times children are supposed to be doing something else, like being in school ?!?


    Maybe the teachers might like to know that info too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    According to Colm Henry 96 schools have tested students and teachers for COVID with 35 positives and a total of 2,100 tests.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    I actually find your opinion and observation more informed and insightful than any other person on this thread.


    You do because it’s a student, not a teacher. Even though the poster essentially lends credence to the concerns raised by teachers throughout this thread. Concerns you have consistently rubbished.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Half the student population sent home from this huge 1200 student school in Drogheda

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1165854


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    is_that_so wrote: »
    According to Colm Henry 96 schools have tested students and teachers for COVID with 35 positives and a total of 2,100 tests.

    According to various online ‘watchdogs’ he’s not being truthful. I checked an online source yesterday out of curiosity and there were 115 schools with positive cases.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    According to various online ‘watchdogs’ he’s not being truthful. I checked an online source yesterday out of curiosity and there were 115 schools with positive cases.

    The HSE has said that the number of Covid-19 cases in schools is 131, with 96 cases believed to have arisen through community transmission, and another 35 where transmission may have occurred in a school.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0917/1165839-35-positive-covid-19-cases-so-far-in-schools-hse/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    According to various online ‘watchdogs’ he’s not being truthful. I checked an online source yesterday out of curiosity and there were 115 schools with positive cases.
    Well, he's got the actual numbers so hard to prove, especially if those sources are out of WhatsApp.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Well, he's got the actual numbers so hard to prove, especially if those sources are out of WhatsApp.

    The HSE has said that the number of Covid-19 cases in schools is 131, with 96 cases believed to have arisen through community transmission, and another 35 where transmission may have occurred in a school.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    You do because it’s a student, not a teacher. Even though the poster essentially lends credence to the concerns raised by teachers throughout this thread. Concerns you have consistently rubbished.

    What? Like people not obeying guidelines that are crystal clear and then saying the schools should be closed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    i really hope we are all worrying for no reason like idiots and that you will have a great year in school :) great to see the point of view of a student put up here.

    Just to add that 1 m distance and 30 to a room are beyond the schools control, sometimes 1m isn't even possible. So in those cases its not schools slipping standards, they never had the facilities for it to begin with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    i really hope we are all worrying for no reason like idiots and that you will have a great year in school :) great to see the point of view of a student put up here.

    Just to add that 1 m distance and 30 to a room are beyond the schools control, sometimes 1m isn't even possible. So in those cases its not schools slipping standards, they never had the facilities for it to begin with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    What? Like people not obeying guidelines that are crystal clear and then saying the schools should be closed?

    So who in the school community aren't obeying guidelines?

    We had a visibly sick child in school yesterday, mam was called to take the child home and refused saying that the child had already been denied enough education. The poor child having a parent with such regard for their wellbeing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    Schools are saying that the guidelines aren't clear or robust, but they're just totally ignoring them anyway??

    So you're accusing schools of ignoring guidelines, but then you agree with the student above about inadequate Roadmaps and facilities. So which is is, the measures are not good enough, or you just want to have a go at schools yet again.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    According to Colm Henry 96 schools have tested students and teachers for COVID with 35 positives and a total of 2,100 tests.

    I thought they were hiding the data? 1.6%. Less the the positive rate in general


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Structural work... Most schools got 12k for structural i think and 4 weeks notice and no extra staff. How much change do you imagine can actually happen ??

    I don’t know. I’m simply relaying the experience of one bom member who couldn’t believe how quickly they were allowed spend a considerable amount of money. (Far more than €12 I’d say, becuse they went back to dept and said we have to do x, y and z, and if we can’t we won’t open.)

    And hey presto.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    I thought they were hiding the data? 1.6%. Less the the positive rate in general

    Reading further into what was said, it seems that 113 schools have been impacted by cases. 96 of those schools have had full classes or year groups told to get tested. Total of 2100 tests conducted due to this with 35 positive results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    What? Like people not obeying guidelines that are crystal clear and then saying the schools should be closed?

    You don’t ‘obey’ guidelines. But apart from that I took from it the teachers were doing their best to follow guidelines, encourage the students to do the same and there was no room to socially distance.

    The poster could see a time in the future when students would become lax on masks, as they already had on distancing during breaks.

    This was always going to happen. If you have ever been to school as a teenager it is BLATANTLY CLEAR keeping distance is impossible.

    I personally think distancing is the most valuable preventive measure. Impossible in the school setting.

    That’s why they made up the lies about people under 18 not contracting or spreading this virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    So you're accusing schools of ignoring guidelines, but then you agree with the student above about inadequate Roadmaps and facilities. So which is is, the measures are not good enough, or you just want to have a go at schools yet again.

    We’ve got 3 clear examples of schools ignoring guidelines where they can easily follow

    2 schools insisting on choir
    1 school not allowing teacher teach outside in good weather
    Teacher not wearing a mask

    These are that could be rectified without needing guidance or roadmaps. They’re just simply stubborn people being stubborn but putting others at risk in doing so. Those individuals are to blame.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    We’ve got 3 clear examples of schools ignoring guidelines where they easily can

    2 schools insisting on choir
    1 school not allowing teacher teach outside in good weather
    Teacher not wearing a mask

    These are easily rectified without needing guidance or roadmaps. They’re just simply stubborn people being stubborn but putting others at risk in doing so. Those individuals are to blame.

    Really reaching at this point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    We’ve got 3 clear examples of schools ignoring guidelines where they easily can

    2 schools insisting on choir
    1 school not allowing teacher teach outside in good weather
    Teacher not wearing a mask

    These are easily rectified without needing guidance or roadmaps. They’re just simply stubborn people being stubborn but putting others at risk in doing so. Those individuals are to blame.

    So officially guidelines say that there needs to be a common sense approach to distancing, and that it shouldn't be counterproductive basically as in get in the way. They state face coverings for when you're less than 2m away and let's remember primary rhe kids don't wear masks themselves. As for a teacher not being allowed teach outside I've no idea why but we aren't running outdoor schools so being outside for a while won't make or break anything when they're indoor most of the day? Could all classes operate outdoors all day? Probably not....maybe tbe outside space was needed for yard or pe?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    Really reaching at this point.

    So funny how the same people who accuse teachers of whinging for looking for basic health and safety will then complain about the teachers actions so easily. Maybe you should thank teachers for putting themselves at risk daily for your children's education. 35 transmissions in school environment so far and 96 cases in schools. Considering hospitals are catering for 65 known cases of covid and schools now have and 96 unknown cases ...think you could argue they are ask risky or riskier than working in a hospital at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Thought there was one example of a choir in school and it was sorted. Missed the issue with teacher not wearing a mask but the guidelines do state they aren't required if you have 2m physical distancing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 514 ✭✭✭thomasdylan


    So funny how the same people who accuse teachers of whinging for looking for basic health and safety will then complain about the teachers actions so easily. Maybe you should thank teachers for putting themselves at risk daily for your children's education. 35 transmissions in school environment so far and 96 cases in schools. Considering hospitals are catering for 65 known cases of covid and schools now have and 96 unknown cases ...think you could argue they are ask risky or riskier than working in a hospital at the moment.

    I don't know if you can argue that. There were 120 healthcare workers diagnosed with Covid in the first week of September.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    I don't know if you can argue that. There were 120 healthcare workers diagnosed with Covid in the first week of September.

    Maybe not but then again it's early days.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I don't know if you can argue that. There were 120 healthcare workers diagnosed with Covid in the first week of September.
    That type of worker includes care homes and they are on weekly testing.


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