Second hand tractors are gone expensive

straight · 12-09-2020 02:31PM

Grueller wrote: »

70k inc VAT for a 6 year old with 3800 hours. Makes a new tractor look cheap by comparison.

Makes a 13 year old tractor at 43k look expensive

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/john-deere-6420s/25919079

K.G. · 12-09-2020 02:52PM

Grueller wrote: »

70k inc VAT for a 6 year old with 3800 hours. Makes a new tractor look cheap by comparison.

A friend on mine did out a spread sheet of prices of tractors and their ages.fiirst 5 years are still a good bit than any other years

jaymla627 · 12-09-2020 02:59PM

Grueller wrote: »

70k inc VAT for a 6 year old with 3800 hours. Makes a new tractor look cheap by comparison.

In the case of some makes the older models pre 2017 are alot more reliable then the newest models the quality dosent seem to be in new tractors anymore

Grueller · 12-09-2020 04:53PM

K.G. wrote: »

A friend on mine did out a spread sheet of prices of tractors and their ages.fiirst 5 years are still a good bit than any other years

On that JD above, she would be similar to a NH T6.145. The NH can be got brand new for €84.5k with a quicke Q5m on board. That is €14,500 for 3800 hours. Roughly €4 per hour. Different brand I know but you get the picture.

12-09-2020 07:29PM

Grueller wrote: »

On that JD above, she would be similar to a NH T6.145. The NH can be got brand new for €84.5k with a quicke Q5m on board. That is €14,500 for 3800 hours. Roughly €4 per hour. Different brand I know but you get the picture.

That’s a good comparison, a nearly 7 yr V brand new with full warranty , not to mention a loader that might never have seen a grease gun between services

kevthegaff · 12-09-2020 08:00PM

Grueller wrote: »

On that JD above, she would be similar to a NH T6.145. The NH can be got brand new for €84.5k with a quicke Q5m on board. That is €14,500 for 3800 hours. Roughly €4 per hour. Different brand I know but you get the picture.

Is that exclusive.vat

Grueller · 12-09-2020 08:05PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is that exclusive.vat

Inclusive

awaywithyou · 12-09-2020 09:30PM

Know a farmer near me who bought a New Holland with a loader... think ‘‘twas around the 150hp mark... 96k inc vat... I thought twas great value..... unfortunately it went up in flames after about 2 months

The new tractors are a ridiculous price.. have an 08 6430 JD with a loader here... it broke our heart for 10 years... needed a new engine in the spring of 19... garage suggested trading for a new JD the same hp... figures were stupid.... they were giving us 15k for our own.... new machine 100k we’d have to stump up 85k.... I put in a new engine into our own for 15k plus a bit of labour... tractor is flying.. going better than it ever has.... doing exactly the same work as a new one would do.... unless your contracting or doing tillage work I would think long and hard about spending money on new tractors.... there are plenty of areas on the farm that that money could be spent and give a better return as well....

Sacrolyte · 13-09-2020 12:13AM

15k. Ouch

josephsoap · 14-09-2020 10:00PM

Is there any difference between case and New Holland tractors ? (Say a 10 year old model)

14-09-2020 10:18PM

josephsoap wrote: »

Is there any difference between case and New Holland tractors ? (Say a 10 year old model)

Paint and sales bs of how their cabs better.

cute geoge · 14-09-2020 10:49PM

josephsoap wrote: »

Is there any difference between case and New Holland tractors ? (Say a 10 year old model)

The jd would be a more refined tractor .I think it is a lot earier to jump up on a jd where as you have to climb in to a n.h. with an ackward big door .10 year old n,h. would be a superior tractor but jd look to be a stronger price
Now I see your question case are probably a better built tractor has been said

20silkcut · 14-09-2020 11:48PM

awaywithyou wrote: »

Know a farmer near me who bought a New Holland with a loader... think ‘‘twas around the 150hp mark... 96k inc vat... I thought twas great value..... unfortunately it went up in flames after about 2 months

The new tractors are a ridiculous price.. have an 08 6430 JD with a loader here... it broke our heart for 10 years... needed a new engine in the spring of 19... garage suggested trading for a new JD the same hp... figures were stupid.... they were giving us 15k for our own.... new machine 100k we’d have to stump up 85k.... I put in a new engine into our own for 15k plus a bit of labour... tractor is flying.. going better than it ever has.... doing exactly the same work as a new one would do.... unless your contracting or doing tillage work I would think long and hard about spending money on new tractors.... there are plenty of areas on the farm that that money could be spent and give a better return as well....

How does 96K stack up against the prices of tractors 30-40 years ago. I remember a farm down the road from me had two Massey Ferguson 165 tractors up until the late 90’s. 250 acre farm milking 60 cows and a herd of suckler cows.
Now the farm has been divided up amongst the sons but each one has a big fancy John Deere with loader up in the years both of them up around the 100k mark id say.
That doesn’t make sense to me.
No way were those two MF 165 tractors anywhere near the equivalent of 100k each today even brand new.
Yet the farm was run as well back then as it is now.
Still stocked at roughly the same rate. I mean to me that’s a crippling expense to have to invest that much capital in a tractor. That was not there in their fathers time.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I know comfort is important and a new machine can keep lads interested and just generally make a lad feel better about what he’s at. But a good tractor from the early 2000s or there abouts would nearly tick all those boxes at a fraction of the price and do the same work.

Just checked on the inflation calculator 100k today is equal to 30k in 1982.
Was an MF 165 30 grand in 1982?
I’d say it was half that if even. I know a direct comparison is difficult with the vast difference in the cost of money back then. Prices were lower cause borrowing was prohibitively expensive.

ruwithme · 15-09-2020 12:10AM

The right tractor on farm is always a good investment. A young farmer starting out with commitment to farm should be encouraged to get themselves some better comfort and ease

Christ the torture some have stood with bad cabs and steps e.t.c. jail would have being less a sentence.

kevthegaff · 15-09-2020 09:47AM

Father bought 110 90 new 21 yrs ago for 28k

mythos110 · 15-09-2020 09:59AM

20silkcut wrote: »

How does 96K stack up against the prices of tractors 30-40 years ago. I remember a farm down the road from me had two Massey Ferguson 165 tractors up until the late 90’s. 250 acre farm milking 60 cows and a herd of suckler cows.
Now the farm has been divided up amongst the sons but each one has a big fancy John Deere with loader up in the years both of them up around the 100k mark id say.
That doesn’t make sense to me.
No way were those two MF 165 tractors anywhere near the equivalent of 100k each today even brand new.
Yet the farm was run as well back then as it is now.
Still stocked at roughly the same rate. I mean to me that’s a crippling expense to have to invest that much capital in a tractor. That was not there in their fathers time.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I know comfort is important and a new machine can keep lads interested and just generally make a lad feel better about what he’s at. But a good tractor from the early 2000s or there abouts would nearly tick all those boxes at a fraction of the price and do the same work.

Just checked on the inflation calculator 100k today is equal to 30k in 1982.
Was an MF 165 30 grand in 1982?
I’d say it was half that if even. I know a direct comparison is difficult with the vast difference in the cost of money back then. Prices were lower cause borrowing was prohibitively expensive.

To be fair there was a lot more time and labour available back in the 80's than there is now. Back then we had a ford 4000 and 5000 on the farm doing the majority of the work. I was only a young lad but i remember them well. I also remember them being left on a hill to start, brakes not being great, getting stuck and even once my old lad turned over and nearly killed himself (we farm a fairly steep hillfarm). Add that to driving out fields with bales in the winter getting your b#llocks frozen off to feed the cattle.
Compare that to the 4wd tractors we have now where they are minded in a shed and well serviced. There is comfort, reliability and safety to consider.

I for one with a young family feel happier going about the jobs like slurry, fertilizer and topping that I know will be reliable and safe rather than chancing it with a tractor thats too small for the job like my dad used to (have to) do. To be fair, he bought the first 4wd around our parts in 1993 and everyone around here has gone that route at this stage. I see it as progress much the same as sheds, pens, crushes etc are now mostly bigger and more suitable for the jobs that need to be done with less human resources available.

I should add that my newest tractor is 2003, so its not like I have a brand new tractor in the yard. I have a few tractors around 20 years old which i keep well maintained and they provide excellent reliability.

Tonynewholland · 15-09-2020 10:16AM

20silkcut wrote: »

How does 96K stack up against the prices of tractors 30-40 years ago. I remember a farm down the road from me had two Massey Ferguson 165 tractors up until the late 90’s. 250 acre farm milking 60 cows and a herd of suckler cows.
Now the farm has been divided up amongst the sons but each one has a big fancy John Deere with loader up in the years both of them up around the 100k mark id say.
That doesn’t make sense to me.
No way were those two MF 165 tractors anywhere near the equivalent of 100k each today even brand new.
Yet the farm was run as well back then as it is now.
Still stocked at roughly the same rate. I mean to me that’s a crippling expense to have to invest that much capital in a tractor. That was not there in their fathers time.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I know comfort is important and a new machine can keep lads interested and just generally make a lad feel better about what he’s at. But a good tractor from the early 2000s or there abouts would nearly tick all those boxes at a fraction of the price and do the same work.

Just checked on the inflation calculator 100k today is equal to 30k in 1982.
Was an MF 165 30 grand in 1982?
I’d say it was half that if even. I know a direct comparison is difficult with the vast difference in the cost of money back then. Prices were lower cause borrowing was prohibitively expensive.

I bought a new nh 6070 with a loader 12 years now and looking back it was a great investment for my farm

straight · 15-09-2020 01:58PM

Tonynewholland wrote: »

I bought a new nh 6070 with a loader 12 years now and looking back it was a great investment for my farm

Did it lose much value in the meantime? I was quoted 52k for one with a loader.

ABitofsense · 15-09-2020 02:11PM

ruwithme wrote: »

The right tractor on farm is always a good investment. A young farmer starting out with commitment to farm should be encouraged to get themselves some better comfort and ease

Christ the torture some have stood with bad cabs and steps e.t.c. jail would have being less a sentence.

This is exactly why I'm trying to get a newer tractor. Our current yoke has oil leaking from somewhere new everyday, need a hammer to close the hitch, leaking cab etc etc etc (long list). It fairly breaks your heart quickly in a cold wet winters morning at 6am trying to put in bales before work and trying to find a spanner or oil for the tractor! I want to jump into something reliable, comfortable, working heater & fit for the job.

Tonynewholland · 15-09-2020 02:48PM

straight wrote: »

Did it lose much value in the meantime? I was quoted 52k for one with a loader.

I’d say the straight value was just over 70 at the time.

Panch18 · 15-09-2020 03:05PM

20silkcut wrote: »

How does 96K stack up against the prices of tractors 30-40 years ago. I remember a farm down the road from me had two Massey Ferguson 165 tractors up until the late 90’s. 250 acre farm milking 60 cows and a herd of suckler cows.
Now the farm has been divided up amongst the sons but each one has a big fancy John Deere with loader up in the years both of them up around the 100k mark id say.
That doesn’t make sense to me.
No way were those two MF 165 tractors anywhere near the equivalent of 100k each today even brand new.
Yet the farm was run as well back then as it is now.
Still stocked at roughly the same rate. I mean to me that’s a crippling expense to have to invest that much capital in a tractor. That was not there in their fathers time.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I know comfort is important and a new machine can keep lads interested and just generally make a lad feel better about what he’s at. But a good tractor from the early 2000s or there abouts would nearly tick all those boxes at a fraction of the price and do the same work.

Just checked on the inflation calculator 100k today is equal to 30k in 1982.
Was an MF 165 30 grand in 1982?
I’d say it was half that if even. I know a direct comparison is difficult with the vast difference in the cost of money back then. Prices were lower cause borrowing was prohibitively expensive.

WE bought a MF 165 in 78 or 79 for 2,500 - was only a year old and immaculate when bought, so new price couldn't have been more than 3k at the time

Panch18 · 15-09-2020 03:12PM

The major difference nowadays is that back in the 70's if you sold a few cattle in the mart you could stop off at the dealers on the way home, throw the cash on the counter that you got for your 4-5 cattle and drive yourself home in a new tractor. and plenty did it

How many store cattle would you need to sell nowadays to buy a decent stockmans tractor? Would it stop at 100?

straight · 15-09-2020 03:57PM

Panch18 wrote: »

The major difference nowadays is that back in the 70's if you sold a few cattle in the mart you could stop off at the dealers on the way home, throw the cash on the counter that you got for your 4-5 cattle and drive yourself home in a new tractor. and plenty did it

How many store cattle would you need to sell nowadays to buy a decent stockmans tractor? Would it stop at 100?

That's the sad reality of the situation. They talk about health and safety but unfortunately safe working machinery is often a luxury for farmers now as opposed to a basic necessity.

Mooooo · 15-09-2020 04:25PM

straight wrote: »

That's the sad reality of the situation. They talk about health and safety but unfortunately safe working machinery is often a luxury for farmers now as opposed to a basic necessity.

That's the kicker really. It's grand making do but the cost of upgrading is economically unviable in a lot of cases. Prob part of the reason they will be slow to bring in testing of farm machinery as well
Got straw delivered and man delivering saw the 20 k hours on the clock of the loader and mentioned how the newer ones wouldn't do it. He has had and sold on 414 models in late 90s and noughties at the 10k hour mark and now has an second hand volvo with a few years.

jaymla627 · 15-09-2020 05:06PM

Mooooo wrote: »

That's the kicker really. It's grand making do but the cost of upgrading is economically unviable in a lot of cases. Prob part of the reason they will be slow to bring in testing of farm machinery as well
Got straw delivered and man delivering saw the 20 k hours on the clock of the loader and mentioned how the newer ones wouldn't do it. He has had and sold on 414 models in late 90s and noughties at the 10k hour mark and now has an second hand volvo with a few years.

Neighhour spent a fortune doing up his John deere telehandler here, north of 8k, got a notion to trade it in for a jcb310s, was warned not to by his local mechanic, hasn't got her two weeks and its giving the world of trouble, some sickener giving 40 plus k for a loader and probably worse off then if he had just kept the old one

The Rabbi · 16-09-2020 12:09AM

Panch18 wrote: »

The major difference nowadays is that back in the 70's if you sold a few cattle in the mart you could stop off at the dealers on the way home, throw the cash on the counter that you got for your 4-5 cattle and drive yourself home in a new tractor. and plenty did it

How many store cattle would you need to sell nowadays to buy a decent stockmans tractor? Would it stop at 100?

The father often mentioned it took 28 good factory fit whiteheads to buy
IH 414 in mid sixtys

Dinzee Conlee · 19-09-2020 08:16AM

Looking to buy a small handy tractor with a decent cab here for a bit...
Hard enough got, or, hard got for not mad money is probably a better way to say it...

Seen a few that might do but they up the north - which is a fair spin from Cork

Is there any reputable crowd that could check out a yoke for you and give you a report on it...
I doubt such a service exists really - but I said I’d ask anyways...

K.G. · 19-09-2020 08:51AM

The Rabbi wrote: »

The father often mentioned it took 28 good factory fit whiteheads to buy
IH 414 in mid sixtys

I was thinking about this and i was wondering have any of ye a reference between the price of a car and average wages at the time back along, just to see the changes in affordability

Bass Reeves · 19-09-2020 08:59AM

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Looking to buy a small handy tractor with a decent cab here for a bit...
Hard enough got, or, hard got for not mad money is probably a better way to say it...

Seen a few that might do but they up the north - which is a fair spin from Cork

Is there any reputable crowd that could check out a yoke for you and give you a report on it...
I doubt such a service exists really - but I said I’d ask anyways...

Problem with getting someone to check out a tractor is that unless you are capable of spotting a good yoke it could take 2-3 checking overs at even 150/ tractor it starts to add up.

When you say a small handy tractor what are you thinking of budget wise, 2WD/4WD and how small a MF35 or a MF90 either could be considered a small tractor.

Not for you but I just spotted this on DD I taught for a stockman's tractor on a 50-100 are farm and if you had anything to trade in it not bad, it would be around 50K with a loader

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-same-dorado-90-natural/24553274

hopeso · 19-09-2020 09:31AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Not for you but I just spotted this on DD I taught for a stockman's tractor on a 50-100 are farm and if you had anything to trade in it not bad, it would be around 50K with a loader

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-same-dorado-90-natural/24553274

There wouldn’t be much point fitting a loader on that.....

Second hand tractors are gone expensive

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