Second hand tractors are gone expensive

White Clover

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Would it reach a 3rd row if bales off a lorry?
That man has a good name afaik.

I doubt it'd go that high.
Looks like a trade in, straight off the low loader in front of it!

Mooooo

Mooooo wrote: »

What did he get?

FH 460

twin_beacon

older by the day wrote: »

As rough as my neighbours yard. How come they all look so wrecked, have they clean ones hidden else where

I was a seasonal worker for bord na mona during the summers when I was in college. Bord na Mona didn't really ever "upgrade" their fleet that often, and when they did, they tended to keep the older machines for parts, hence why you see a lot of tractors in these sales with parts missing, I've seen a Fiat 140-90 sold at one with no front axle before. The tractors could be left out rusting away for years before being moved on.


The smaller 70hp tractors wouldn't have had a hard life, most of them would never have had the PTO switched on. However, the bodywork and cabs are in very poor condition. However, they do go for stupid money at the auctions.
The larger tractors on agri tyres or tracks would have been worked hard, mainly PTO work too. They would also have had a lot of operators, some highly competent, others I wouldn't load a bike to. In my opinion, if someone was looking for a restoration project, then get one of the larger tractors with the balloon wheels. They had one specific job all their life, pulling a peat ridger in the production months, then parked up for the rest of the year as those tyres have no grip in wet conditions (by design). No Pto work and no lift arm work.

just had a look at whats actually be sold, I would have spent many hours in a few of those 8360s, they have a lot more hours on them now!

kevthegaff

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/cat-910-super/25789747?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social
We used to have one for years great yoke

straight

I was looking at 20 and 30 series john Deeres and the prices are crazy. The M series john deere seems reasonably priced in comparison. Is there some issue with the M series.

Buford T. Justice XIX

straight wrote: »

I was looking at 20 and 30 series john Deeres and the prices are crazy. The M series john deere seems reasonably priced in comparison. Is there some issue with the M series.

Bloody fuses!

It's difficult to believe such an expensive tractor could be loaded up with the crappest bloody fuses known to man.

jaymla627

straight wrote: »

I was looking at 20 and 30 series john Deeres and the prices are crazy. The M series john deere seems reasonably priced in comparison. Is there some issue with the M series.

M series would be like a se model in the 66 series, prices quoted in dealers would have a lot of wiggle room depending where you go to, theirs 100’s of the above tractors sitting in dealers yards for 12 months plus not moving

Grueller

jaymla627 wrote: »

M series would be like a se model in the 66 series, prices quoted in dealers would have a lot of wiggle room depending where you go to, theirs 100’s of the above tractors sitting in dealers yards for 12 months plus not moving

For a stock man an se spec would be the finest.

Damo810

jaymla627 wrote: »

M series would be like a se model in the 66 series, prices quoted in dealers would have a lot of wiggle room depending where you go to, theirs 100’s of the above tractors sitting in dealers yards for 12 months plus not moving

Theyre not though, they're the similar spec to a premium 20Series, certainly a long way from an SE. Most have 96L/min pumps with front and cab suspension, 3 SCVS power/Autoquad Plus etc. The reason theyre better value is most buyers want a cheaper tractor so demand for the older ones keeping their price up and the M's are a good bit bigger tractor, too big for many lads whereas the 20/30 series were a smaller framed tractor. They're livelier too because they're smaller and lighter than them old type M series.

bogman_bass

12k for little 2wd ursus’s Where are lads getting prices from?

K.G.

jaymla627 wrote: »

M series would be like a se model in the 66 series, prices quoted in dealers would have a lot of wiggle room depending where you go to, theirs 100’s of the above tractors sitting in dealers yards for 12 months plus not moving

But tractors sitting along time dosent seem to make any difference to dealers..i ve seen tractors staying 3 years in yards

jaymla627

K.G. wrote: »

But tractors sitting along time dosent seem to make any difference to dealers..i ve seen tractors staying 3 years in yards

It was the case alright, but alot of dealerships where working of easily accessed cheap money to maintain their stock levels and not have to sell stock cheap to keep cashflow going, that's all been turned on its head at the minute ....
Silage Wagon contractor here changed main tractor in the spring was 65k + vat with tradein , the past 3 years previous the dealership wanted 100k+vat and the same tradein, their is value out their if you find the right dealer

1373

straight wrote: »

I was looking at 20 and 30 series john Deeres and the prices are crazy. The M series john deere seems reasonably priced in comparison. Is there some issue with the M series.

Have you priced a 120m lately . €100,000 will get a poverty spec 120m with loader , would not think that’s a reasonable investment

K.G.

jaymla627 wrote: »

It was the case alright, but alot of dealerships where working of easily accessed cheap money to maintain their stock levels and not have to sell stock cheap to keep cashflow going, that's all been turned on its head at the minute ....
Silage Wagon contractor here changed main tractor in the spring was 65k + vat with tradein , the past 3 years previous the dealership wanted 100k+vat and the same tradein, their is value out their if you find the right dealer

See a tractor this morning thats on with a bit,selling cheaper now with new tyres than she was all along,tyres could be nearly 5 k on her

straight

1373 wrote: »

Have you priced a 120m lately . €100,000 will get a poverty spec 120m with loader , would not think that’s a reasonable investment

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2014-john-deere-6125m/25633635

1373

straight wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2014-john-deere-6125m/25633635

I was talking new , sorry should have read thread title

Grueller

straight wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2014-john-deere-6125m/25633635

70k inc VAT for a 6 year old with 3800 hours. Makes a new tractor look cheap by comparison.

straight

Grueller wrote: »

70k inc VAT for a 6 year old with 3800 hours. Makes a new tractor look cheap by comparison.

Makes a 13 year old tractor at 43k look expensive

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/john-deere-6420s/25919079

K.G.

Grueller wrote: »

70k inc VAT for a 6 year old with 3800 hours. Makes a new tractor look cheap by comparison.

A friend on mine did out a spread sheet of prices of tractors and their ages.fiirst 5 years are still a good bit than any other years

jaymla627

Grueller wrote: »

70k inc VAT for a 6 year old with 3800 hours. Makes a new tractor look cheap by comparison.

In the case of some makes the older models pre 2017 are alot more reliable then the newest models the quality dosent seem to be in new tractors anymore

Grueller

K.G. wrote: »

A friend on mine did out a spread sheet of prices of tractors and their ages.fiirst 5 years are still a good bit than any other years

On that JD above, she would be similar to a NH T6.145. The NH can be got brand new for €84.5k with a quicke Q5m on board. That is €14,500 for 3800 hours. Roughly €4 per hour. Different brand I know but you get the picture.

1373

Grueller wrote: »

On that JD above, she would be similar to a NH T6.145. The NH can be got brand new for €84.5k with a quicke Q5m on board. That is €14,500 for 3800 hours. Roughly €4 per hour. Different brand I know but you get the picture.

That’s a good comparison, a nearly 7 yr V brand new with full warranty , not to mention a loader that might never have seen a grease gun between services

kevthegaff

Grueller wrote: »

On that JD above, she would be similar to a NH T6.145. The NH can be got brand new for €84.5k with a quicke Q5m on board. That is €14,500 for 3800 hours. Roughly €4 per hour. Different brand I know but you get the picture.

Is that exclusive.vat

Grueller

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is that exclusive.vat

Inclusive

awaywithyou

Know a farmer near me who bought a New Holland with a loader... think ‘‘twas around the 150hp mark... 96k inc vat... I thought twas great value..... unfortunately it went up in flames after about 2 months

The new tractors are a ridiculous price.. have an 08 6430 JD with a loader here... it broke our heart for 10 years... needed a new engine in the spring of 19... garage suggested trading for a new JD the same hp... figures were stupid.... they were giving us 15k for our own.... new machine 100k we’d have to stump up 85k.... I put in a new engine into our own for 15k plus a bit of labour... tractor is flying.. going better than it ever has.... doing exactly the same work as a new one would do.... unless your contracting or doing tillage work I would think long and hard about spending money on new tractors.... there are plenty of areas on the farm that that money could be spent and give a better return as well....

Sacrolyte

15k. Ouch

josephsoap

Is there any difference between case and New Holland tractors ? (Say a 10 year old model)

Waffletraktor

josephsoap wrote: »

Is there any difference between case and New Holland tractors ? (Say a 10 year old model)

Paint and sales bs of how their cabs better.

cute geoge

josephsoap wrote: »

Is there any difference between case and New Holland tractors ? (Say a 10 year old model)

The jd would be a more refined tractor .I think it is a lot earier to jump up on a jd where as you have to climb in to a n.h. with an ackward big door .10 year old n,h. would be a superior tractor but jd look to be a stronger price
Now I see your question case are probably a better built tractor has been said

20silkcut

awaywithyou wrote: »

Know a farmer near me who bought a New Holland with a loader... think ‘‘twas around the 150hp mark... 96k inc vat... I thought twas great value..... unfortunately it went up in flames after about 2 months

The new tractors are a ridiculous price.. have an 08 6430 JD with a loader here... it broke our heart for 10 years... needed a new engine in the spring of 19... garage suggested trading for a new JD the same hp... figures were stupid.... they were giving us 15k for our own.... new machine 100k we’d have to stump up 85k.... I put in a new engine into our own for 15k plus a bit of labour... tractor is flying.. going better than it ever has.... doing exactly the same work as a new one would do.... unless your contracting or doing tillage work I would think long and hard about spending money on new tractors.... there are plenty of areas on the farm that that money could be spent and give a better return as well....

How does 96K stack up against the prices of tractors 30-40 years ago. I remember a farm down the road from me had two Massey Ferguson 165 tractors up until the late 90’s. 250 acre farm milking 60 cows and a herd of suckler cows.
Now the farm has been divided up amongst the sons but each one has a big fancy John Deere with loader up in the years both of them up around the 100k mark id say.
That doesn’t make sense to me.
No way were those two MF 165 tractors anywhere near the equivalent of 100k each today even brand new.
Yet the farm was run as well back then as it is now.
Still stocked at roughly the same rate. I mean to me that’s a crippling expense to have to invest that much capital in a tractor. That was not there in their fathers time.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I know comfort is important and a new machine can keep lads interested and just generally make a lad feel better about what he’s at. But a good tractor from the early 2000s or there abouts would nearly tick all those boxes at a fraction of the price and do the same work.

Just checked on the inflation calculator 100k today is equal to 30k in 1982.
Was an MF 165 30 grand in 1982?
I’d say it was half that if even. I know a direct comparison is difficult with the vast difference in the cost of money back then. Prices were lower cause borrowing was prohibitively expensive.

ruwithme

The right tractor on farm is always a good investment. A young farmer starting out with commitment to farm should be encouraged to get themselves some better comfort and ease

Christ the torture some have stood with bad cabs and steps e.t.c. jail would have being less a sentence.

kevthegaff

Father bought 110 90 new 21 yrs ago for 28k

mythos110

20silkcut wrote: »

How does 96K stack up against the prices of tractors 30-40 years ago. I remember a farm down the road from me had two Massey Ferguson 165 tractors up until the late 90’s. 250 acre farm milking 60 cows and a herd of suckler cows.
Now the farm has been divided up amongst the sons but each one has a big fancy John Deere with loader up in the years both of them up around the 100k mark id say.
That doesn’t make sense to me.
No way were those two MF 165 tractors anywhere near the equivalent of 100k each today even brand new.
Yet the farm was run as well back then as it is now.
Still stocked at roughly the same rate. I mean to me that’s a crippling expense to have to invest that much capital in a tractor. That was not there in their fathers time.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I know comfort is important and a new machine can keep lads interested and just generally make a lad feel better about what he’s at. But a good tractor from the early 2000s or there abouts would nearly tick all those boxes at a fraction of the price and do the same work.

Just checked on the inflation calculator 100k today is equal to 30k in 1982.
Was an MF 165 30 grand in 1982?
I’d say it was half that if even. I know a direct comparison is difficult with the vast difference in the cost of money back then. Prices were lower cause borrowing was prohibitively expensive.

To be fair there was a lot more time and labour available back in the 80's than there is now. Back then we had a ford 4000 and 5000 on the farm doing the majority of the work. I was only a young lad but i remember them well. I also remember them being left on a hill to start, brakes not being great, getting stuck and even once my old lad turned over and nearly killed himself (we farm a fairly steep hillfarm). Add that to driving out fields with bales in the winter getting your b#llocks frozen off to feed the cattle.
Compare that to the 4wd tractors we have now where they are minded in a shed and well serviced. There is comfort, reliability and safety to consider.

I for one with a young family feel happier going about the jobs like slurry, fertilizer and topping that I know will be reliable and safe rather than chancing it with a tractor thats too small for the job like my dad used to (have to) do. To be fair, he bought the first 4wd around our parts in 1993 and everyone around here has gone that route at this stage. I see it as progress much the same as sheds, pens, crushes etc are now mostly bigger and more suitable for the jobs that need to be done with less human resources available.

I should add that my newest tractor is 2003, so its not like I have a brand new tractor in the yard. I have a few tractors around 20 years old which i keep well maintained and they provide excellent reliability.

Tonynewholland

20silkcut wrote: »

How does 96K stack up against the prices of tractors 30-40 years ago. I remember a farm down the road from me had two Massey Ferguson 165 tractors up until the late 90’s. 250 acre farm milking 60 cows and a herd of suckler cows.
Now the farm has been divided up amongst the sons but each one has a big fancy John Deere with loader up in the years both of them up around the 100k mark id say.
That doesn’t make sense to me.
No way were those two MF 165 tractors anywhere near the equivalent of 100k each today even brand new.
Yet the farm was run as well back then as it is now.
Still stocked at roughly the same rate. I mean to me that’s a crippling expense to have to invest that much capital in a tractor. That was not there in their fathers time.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I know comfort is important and a new machine can keep lads interested and just generally make a lad feel better about what he’s at. But a good tractor from the early 2000s or there abouts would nearly tick all those boxes at a fraction of the price and do the same work.

Just checked on the inflation calculator 100k today is equal to 30k in 1982.
Was an MF 165 30 grand in 1982?
I’d say it was half that if even. I know a direct comparison is difficult with the vast difference in the cost of money back then. Prices were lower cause borrowing was prohibitively expensive.

I bought a new nh 6070 with a loader 12 years now and looking back it was a great investment for my farm

straight

Tonynewholland wrote: »

I bought a new nh 6070 with a loader 12 years now and looking back it was a great investment for my farm

Did it lose much value in the meantime? I was quoted 52k for one with a loader.

ABitofsense

ruwithme wrote: »

The right tractor on farm is always a good investment. A young farmer starting out with commitment to farm should be encouraged to get themselves some better comfort and ease

Christ the torture some have stood with bad cabs and steps e.t.c. jail would have being less a sentence.

This is exactly why I'm trying to get a newer tractor. Our current yoke has oil leaking from somewhere new everyday, need a hammer to close the hitch, leaking cab etc etc etc (long list). It fairly breaks your heart quickly in a cold wet winters morning at 6am trying to put in bales before work and trying to find a spanner or oil for the tractor! I want to jump into something reliable, comfortable, working heater & fit for the job.

Tonynewholland

straight wrote: »

Did it lose much value in the meantime? I was quoted 52k for one with a loader.

I’d say the straight value was just over 70 at the time.

Panch18

20silkcut wrote: »

How does 96K stack up against the prices of tractors 30-40 years ago. I remember a farm down the road from me had two Massey Ferguson 165 tractors up until the late 90’s. 250 acre farm milking 60 cows and a herd of suckler cows.
Now the farm has been divided up amongst the sons but each one has a big fancy John Deere with loader up in the years both of them up around the 100k mark id say.
That doesn’t make sense to me.
No way were those two MF 165 tractors anywhere near the equivalent of 100k each today even brand new.
Yet the farm was run as well back then as it is now.
Still stocked at roughly the same rate. I mean to me that’s a crippling expense to have to invest that much capital in a tractor. That was not there in their fathers time.
Maybe I’m missing something.
I know comfort is important and a new machine can keep lads interested and just generally make a lad feel better about what he’s at. But a good tractor from the early 2000s or there abouts would nearly tick all those boxes at a fraction of the price and do the same work.

Just checked on the inflation calculator 100k today is equal to 30k in 1982.
Was an MF 165 30 grand in 1982?
I’d say it was half that if even. I know a direct comparison is difficult with the vast difference in the cost of money back then. Prices were lower cause borrowing was prohibitively expensive.

WE bought a MF 165 in 78 or 79 for 2,500 - was only a year old and immaculate when bought, so new price couldn't have been more than 3k at the time

Panch18

The major difference nowadays is that back in the 70's if you sold a few cattle in the mart you could stop off at the dealers on the way home, throw the cash on the counter that you got for your 4-5 cattle and drive yourself home in a new tractor. and plenty did it

How many store cattle would you need to sell nowadays to buy a decent stockmans tractor? Would it stop at 100?

straight

Panch18 wrote: »

The major difference nowadays is that back in the 70's if you sold a few cattle in the mart you could stop off at the dealers on the way home, throw the cash on the counter that you got for your 4-5 cattle and drive yourself home in a new tractor. and plenty did it

How many store cattle would you need to sell nowadays to buy a decent stockmans tractor? Would it stop at 100?

That's the sad reality of the situation. They talk about health and safety but unfortunately safe working machinery is often a luxury for farmers now as opposed to a basic necessity.

Mooooo

straight wrote: »

That's the sad reality of the situation. They talk about health and safety but unfortunately safe working machinery is often a luxury for farmers now as opposed to a basic necessity.

That's the kicker really. It's grand making do but the cost of upgrading is economically unviable in a lot of cases. Prob part of the reason they will be slow to bring in testing of farm machinery as well
Got straw delivered and man delivering saw the 20 k hours on the clock of the loader and mentioned how the newer ones wouldn't do it. He has had and sold on 414 models in late 90s and noughties at the 10k hour mark and now has an second hand volvo with a few years.

jaymla627

Mooooo wrote: »

That's the kicker really. It's grand making do but the cost of upgrading is economically unviable in a lot of cases. Prob part of the reason they will be slow to bring in testing of farm machinery as well
Got straw delivered and man delivering saw the 20 k hours on the clock of the loader and mentioned how the newer ones wouldn't do it. He has had and sold on 414 models in late 90s and noughties at the 10k hour mark and now has an second hand volvo with a few years.

Neighhour spent a fortune doing up his John deere telehandler here, north of 8k, got a notion to trade it in for a jcb310s, was warned not to by his local mechanic, hasn't got her two weeks and its giving the world of trouble, some sickener giving 40 plus k for a loader and probably worse off then if he had just kept the old one

The Rabbi

Panch18 wrote: »

The major difference nowadays is that back in the 70's if you sold a few cattle in the mart you could stop off at the dealers on the way home, throw the cash on the counter that you got for your 4-5 cattle and drive yourself home in a new tractor. and plenty did it

How many store cattle would you need to sell nowadays to buy a decent stockmans tractor? Would it stop at 100?

The father often mentioned it took 28 good factory fit whiteheads to buy
IH 414 in mid sixtys

Dinzee Conlee

Looking to buy a small handy tractor with a decent cab here for a bit...
Hard enough got, or, hard got for not mad money is probably a better way to say it...

Seen a few that might do but they up the north - which is a fair spin from Cork

Is there any reputable crowd that could check out a yoke for you and give you a report on it...
I doubt such a service exists really - but I said I’d ask anyways...

K.G.

The Rabbi wrote: »

The father often mentioned it took 28 good factory fit whiteheads to buy
IH 414 in mid sixtys

I was thinking about this and i was wondering have any of ye a reference between the price of a car and average wages at the time back along, just to see the changes in affordability

Bass Reeves

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Looking to buy a small handy tractor with a decent cab here for a bit...
Hard enough got, or, hard got for not mad money is probably a better way to say it...

Seen a few that might do but they up the north - which is a fair spin from Cork

Is there any reputable crowd that could check out a yoke for you and give you a report on it...
I doubt such a service exists really - but I said I’d ask anyways...

Problem with getting someone to check out a tractor is that unless you are capable of spotting a good yoke it could take 2-3 checking overs at even 150/ tractor it starts to add up.

When you say a small handy tractor what are you thinking of budget wise, 2WD/4WD and how small a MF35 or a MF90 either could be considered a small tractor.


Not for you but I just spotted this on DD I taught for a stockman's tractor on a 50-100 are farm and if you had anything to trade in it not bad, it would be around 50K with a loader

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-same-dorado-90-natural/24553274

hopeso

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Not for you but I just spotted this on DD I taught for a stockman's tractor on a 50-100 are farm and if you had anything to trade in it not bad, it would be around 50K with a loader

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-same-dorado-90-natural/24553274

There wouldn’t be much point fitting a loader on that.....

Dinzee Conlee

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Problem with getting someone to check out a tractor is that unless you are capable of spotting a good yoke it could take 2-3 checking overs at even 150/ tractor it starts to add up.

When you say a small handy tractor what are you thinking of budget wise, 2WD/4WD and how small a MF35 or a MF90 either could be considered a small tractor.
Not for you but I just spotted this on DD I taught for a stockman's tractor on a 50-100 are farm and if you had anything to trade in it not bad, it would be around 50K with a loader

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-same-dorado-90-natural/24553274

Hi Bass...

Have a 135 - and I don’t really want to trade it, as it’s more an heirloom at this stage, and I’m kinda fond of it

When I say handy, I mean a bit bigger than the 135 and a good cab...
I only feed a few bales a year, but tis awkward enough with the 135...
After that it’s a small bit of spraying, fertilser, topping - to be honest, the 135 manages these away good enough...

The big issue is the $$$

Really - I am only hobby farming, so spending 7k - 10k on a tractor is as much as I could justify - and tis even difficult enough to do that...

A big reason for getting a half decent tractor is so the kids can come out with me...
At the minute, they can’t - cos if I need to do anything with the tractor, that rules them out... (the 135 just isn’t safe enough)

So - I was half looking at a gator as well - as this would be better for taking people. The 135 would do me away for another while if I was to get a gator...

Open to all suggestions...

selectamatic

hopeso wrote: »

There wouldn’t be much point fitting a loader on that.....

Why?

Its an 88hp 4wd tractor,
nice handy loader on it and it'd be well able to move 2 bales of silage at a time.

What more would a stockman need?

kevthegaff

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Hi Bass...

Have a 135 - and I don’t really want to trade it, as it’s more an heirloom at this stage, and I’m kinda fond of it

When I say handy, I mean a bit bigger than the 135 and a good cab...
I only feed a few bales a year, but tis awkward enough with the 135...
After that it’s a small bit of spraying, fertilser, topping - to be honest, the 135 manages these away good enough...

The big issue is the $$$

Really - I am only hobby farming, so spending 7k - 10k on a tractor is as much as I could justify - and tis even difficult enough to do that...

A big reason for getting a half decent tractor is so the kids can come out with me...
At the minute, they can’t - cos if I need to do anything with the tractor, that rules them out... (the 135 just isn’t safe enough)

So - I was half looking at a gator as well - as this would be better for taking people. The 135 would do me away for another while if I was to get a gator...

Open to all suggestions...

Theres a few fiat 88-94 tractors with loaders on done deal very clean and will go up in value I reckon as the other ones seem to be like hens teeth atm