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San Francisco 49ers Discussion

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    The 49ers are going to win the SB this year - and I am p*ssed - Kyle Shanahan should be the HC of the Denver Broncos - f*ck you Joe Ellis for being such a dick.

    I don't believe Kyle going to the Broncos was happening once the 49ers offer was on the table. It sounds like a rumour to feed into the completely understandable dislike Broncos fans have for Ellis.

    Aside from the 6 year deal, Kyle got to hand pick his GM and the power to basically make all personnel decisions. Elway was never going to hand over that power and the Broncos were never getting rid of Elway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    That looks fantastic. As a home fan I can imagine the game flow was great, initial tense back and forward and then domination and celebration towards the end of the game.

    How was the Bosa resurrection moment in person?


    Absolutely...first half was a bit tense, 2nd half we just dominated...never looked in doubt.

    Bosa was a beast all game...that moment was unreal...hard to get a whole stadium shout a players name! He's a player that had social media/injury issues before the draft...he'd definitely a fan favourite there now....every other jersey is a 97! Watching him warm-up was something else...his legs are like tree trunks, but he moves so quickly.
    From my seat I had a great views of the Sherman Int, muffed punt & a couple of TD's. Definitely worth the long (short) trip! Jerry Rice was right in front for the whole game too...he had the whole section shouting JERRY for about half the game!! You know he'd love to play too...that was my third game, and third time to see Jerry there & each time, he goes out for 2/3 catches in warm-up!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    The last decade felt like an emotional roller-coaster and it turns out the facts back it up. Not sure any other team has had such a wild journey.

    https://twitter.com/AlSacco49/status/1216744804052238336


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    “People who know me well will tell you that I’m not into a whole lot of promises, but I will make a few. I’ve been pretty clear in saying that this week, [head coach] Kyle [Shanahan] and I are on the same page that we’re going to put together and assemble a team and how long that takes we don’t know, but we’re going to assemble a team that will make you proud. I can promise you this; we’re going to have players that will compete, that will compete every day, that will compete to be the best that they can be. They’re going to be great teammates. We’re going to have a team that plays fast. We’re going to have a team that plays physical. We believe in those things. We’re going to have guys with great character, football character and we’re going to have guys that are interested in making their community a better place.”
    --John Lynch, February 2017.

    https://www.ninersnation.com/2020/1/17/21069347/nfc-championship-preview-john-lynch-press-hiring-press-conference-promises-kyle-shanahan


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    I gave Jed York a lot of abuse over the years but the guy has grown into a great owner and shown what a decent person he is.

    Took him a while to get his feet but from the getting rid of the coaching/front office dead wood, to putting himself out there with long contracts for the current hires, to his position with the police brutality protest, and for him today pass off the trophy to let Mike give it to Kyle rather than take the glory post the abuse he took. Whatever happens in 2 weeks I'm proud of my team form top to bottom.


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Been waiting a long time for this! Anyone remember the 2016 season under Chip...2-14. Can't help but think the team needed the Tomsula/Kelly years to get Jed York to realise he needed to do something. ps: Mostert joined the team under Kelly!!
    It's rare to see a team get to the Superbowl because of the team as a whole. Not one bad person on this team with issues...no individuals wanting glory. It's all about the common good.
    Have to say it would be great to see Jimmy put up some numbers in Miami...seeing as it was against the Chiefs where he tore the ACL!


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Super Bowl week... Feels great, baby!

    https://twitter.com/49ers/status/1221840289683464193?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,724 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    Soooo...are we confident?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Soooo...are we confident?

    Not particularly, I think the 49ers should be the favourites but only very slightly.

    Big problem is that no matter what the score there won't be a moment of relaxation, given the power of the two offenses. It will be a long, long evening but it is much better than discussing who we'll pick at number 2 :D


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Soooo...are we confident?

    Annoyingly so. I just can't shake the feeling that 9ers are better on both lines and that is where the game is normally won...


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Not particularly, I think the 49ers should be the favourites but only very slightly.

    Big problem is that no matter what the score there won't be a moment of relaxation, given the power of the two offenses. It will be a long, long evening but it is much better than discussing who we'll pick at number 2 :D

    Yep, there wasn't a moment of relaxation :(


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Really thought they had it after the second INT. The series after that on offense was pretty ****.


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Can't help but think the coverage on D relaxed a little in the 4th. They gave up yards before the big 44 yarder...and they did the same against Green Bay. Bunch of plays you could look at and say What if!
    Realistically, going from 4-12 to NFC Champs in one year is a hell of a story and not many would have guessed that at the start of the year. Similar coaches for next year. A mostly young team. Now we need to get what few draft picks we have right (CB!). Jalen Hurd healthy should be as explosive as Deebo. Future is bright.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Good article on after the game. Between this and seeing his post game interview I'm absolutely gutted for Staley. Despite all the injuries this year hopefully he sticks it out for another year, it would be a huge hole to fill on the field and locker room if he retires.

    https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/1224268965037461505?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Yep the Joe Staley interview is heart breaking. Sounds like this is the end for him. Would love to see another year from him though, if he's 100% healthy.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    The NFC West is going to be horrible to get out of for the next few years.

    That expansion to a 7 team playoff could be very much needed.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    49ers bringing back Jimmy Ward on a 3-year, $28m deal. Good move.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    49ers bringing back Jimmy Ward on a 3-year, $28m deal. Good move.

    Good move and a great deal for the team, not even top 10 safety money.

    I wanted him back and though his play deserved top end money, he was such a sick note for most of career that I didn't want the team paying him too much.

    I need to evaluate everything but off the top of my head we have areas of weakness but no obvious big holes that would stop us from going best player available in the draft or trading back for good offers.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Ronald Blair and Jerrick McKinnon both coming back. Blair is a no-brianer, McKinnon better be on a very cheap contract. No word yet.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Ronald Blair and Jerrick McKinnon both coming back. Blair is a no-brianer, McKinnon better be on a very cheap contract. No word yet.

    Delighted to get Blair back, was worried about the interest from the Browns. He showed some really good play this year and will be needed more with Buckner gone (Armstead likely playing more DT)

    I hope McKinnon is basically a vet minimum. He made a boat load of money already. Dead cap was going to be $4m with a saving of about the same if cut.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Bourne and Breida given 2nd round tenders so 1 year deals at $3.25m each. If someone wants to offer them money I'd say we'll happily take their 2nd.

    Looks like they're going to basically keep the whole team together minus Sanders and Buckner. Potential for a few further trades or cuts also.

    McKinnon vet minimum confirmed plus small bonuses.

    https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1240023747743985666?s=20


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I wouldn't have made second round tenders for either, just let them see what they can get and match if they want to bring them back, would work out cheaper.

    They need to cut a RB anyway I think, maybe coleman.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    That McKinnon contract is ok, the only way he was coming back though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    I wouldn't have made second round tenders for either, just let them see what they can get and match if they want to bring them back, would work out cheaper.

    They need to cut a RB anyway I think, maybe coleman.

    Cutting Coleman would cover $4.8m and cap saving for cutting or trading Goodwin is $3.6m also.

    I think both of the guys tendered would have gotten more than the tender cost on the open market and I dont think we'd pick up a similar quality player at that cost. Bourne might be a slight overpay but he has shown consistent improvement and we're very tight on WR depth right now, with uncertainty to Taylor and Hurd coming back from IR.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Starting to feel more and more that they'll end up going for an OT or DT at 13 or trade back. Other potential is one of the top 2 CBs, in the unlikely situation that they fall.

    Signs seem to point to an early rush for the top 3 WRs and even if not the Shanahan's have generally valued trench players with first round picks (though not IOL). I see WR being somewhat similar to DBs in the past few years, where the team doesn't see quite the need as the public and Shanahan knowing he can scheme guys open. Lynch also highlighted when picking McGlinchey how important it is to take OTs early when you have the opportunity and hopefully the team is unlikely to have this kind of opportunity again soon.

    Rumours floated around yesterday that a number of players are on the trade block but unless there is a crazy offer it will be Goodwin and one of Coleman or Breida moved, likely in some kind of packages to move up in the draft to 3rd/4th.

    Buckner trade definitely made studying the draft a lot more interesting while in isolation


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    2 biggest gaps since the Super Bowl were DT and WR and filled both. Could be quiet for the rest of the draft but I expect trades of Goodwin and an RB either tomorrow or earlier on Saturday.

    Not exactly what I'd do but think it was a good haul


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Well that was an interesting last day!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    This is a brtual run:

    Week 7: @ New England
    Week 8: @Seahawks
    Week 9: vs. Packers (TNF)
    Week 10: @ Saints

    They get a bye after those 4 games.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    This is a brtual run:

    Week 7: @ New England
    Week 8: @Seahawks
    Week 9: vs. Packers (TNF)
    Week 10: @ Saints

    They get a bye after those 4 games.

    Not easy but nothing like that historically tough run at the tail end of last season, especially after having such an early bye.

    No super cold games and the only 2 early games scheduled all season are done by week 3 and they will be able to stay on the east coast between them. Mixed bag on getting the new coaches and large overhaul teams earlier and later in the season. I think the schedule is also better regarding teams being more rested against us.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    New 6 year deal for Kyle. First coach to sign an extension for the team in 20 years, which shows how incredibly dysfunctional the organization has been, from a mix of terrible coaches right through to bad ownership.

    Interesting that there is no word of an extension for Lynch. May potentially point to him being 'promoted' out of the GM at some point so they can shift Peters in before he is lost.


  • Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭mickmc7


    Broken foot for Deebo Samuel per Ian Rappoport. Disaster


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    mickmc7 wrote: »
    Broken foot for Deebo Samuel per Ian Rappoport. Disaster

    Better now than a week before the season.

    Need to keep our fingers crossed it doesn't go the way of Trent Taylor


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Mostert put in a trade request after contract renegotiation didn't go anywhere.

    Can't blame him for trying to maximise his money but he just signed a new contract offseason and has only performed for 1 year.

    If the 49ers get a reasonable offer for him I'd take it but I'd be shocked if another team would risk giving decent pick and a raise to an RB approaching 30, who bounced around the league as a special teams player before having 1 year of good production, that year being with an OC that has a record of getting RBs to outperform their abilities.

    He is a definite loss but RB was a position where the team was likely to have a tough cut so I don't see them blinking and instead will let him sit out if he wants to take it that far.


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    Yeah can't see them restructure Mostert's newish contract. Especially at the RB position, where we know Coach is pretty good at finding and plugging guys in when needed. If we have a season, really hoping McKinnon can be healthy...would solve the issue of Mostert leaving/sitting out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    After the great news of the Kittle deal last week it seems like bad news today. After missing the whole of 2019 season with a back injury, it seems Hurd tore his ACL yesterday. Doing an MRI today but it looks like another season lost. His preseason performance last year looked so promising and I was looking forward to seeing how Shanahan was going to use him all over the field.

    Not great news with Deebo likely out for the start of the season but at least Aiyuk has impressed at the start to camp, with Taylor, Jennings, and even Pettis looking good. Depending on how things go, one of the rag tag bunch of the recently signed veteran WRs may end up making the team.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    49ers really stacking up on those former 1st rounders. Worked very well in the past with Tomlinson.

    Interested to see if any of the cheap fliers on Jordan, Austin, or White make the roster. There is a curve ball this year where they can put up to 6 veterans on the practice squad. If these guys want a chance to reboot their careers with a winning side and in a scheme that suits them they might accept hanging around on that until a roster spot opens up.

    Verrett is getting good reviews from camp, getting a lot of time with the starters. Obviously always an injury away from it all disappearing. Williams apparently the monster he was before his break, incredibly athletic in the run and holding his own against Bosa.

    https://twitter.com/mattbarrows/status/1299065678868094977?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    I hope Kevin White works out.

    He won't. But I hope he does.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    I hope Kevin White works out.

    He won't. But I hope he does.

    Injuries seem to have ruined him. It is always such a pity.

    Despite our injuries, he only joined the team late last week so I think he'll struggle to make the initial squad whatever happens. Potential that they cut him so they can avoid cutting a player that will hit waivers and then bring him either on the main squad or to practice.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    That was bad, there's no sugar coating it.

    Jimmy was awful, some of his throws were just a case of lobbing it up there and hoping for the best, he missed open receivers and was indecisive a lot of the time.

    Injuries to Kittle and no WR mitigate this somewhat but I'm not seeing any improvement from last year.

    Defensively we were owned by Murray and Co, couldn't get off the field, and gave up way too many silly penalties. Doesn't bode well for this season though you'd expect them to improve. They really need some receiver help.

    Taylor and Pettis contributed nothing, bourne was ok but he should be a WR3 at best.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    That was bad, there's no sugar coating it.

    Jimmy was awful, some of his throws were just a case of lobbing it up there and hoping for the best, he missed open receivers and was indecisive a lot of the time.

    Injuries to Kittle and no WR mitigate this somewhat but I'm not seeing any improvement from last year.

    Defensively we were owned by Murray and Co, couldn't get off the field, and gave up way too many silly penalties. Doesn't bode well for this season though you'd expect them to improve. They really need some receiver help.

    Taylor and Pettis contributed nothing, bourne was ok but he should be a WR3 at best.

    Jimmy was dire. They seemed shell shocked from the punt block until the 4th quarter. Even just in the last drive, that was an easy TD for Bourne with a better throw (though Bourne should have still done better with it) and the last throw to Taylor was late.

    For all the blame on Jimmy, it didn't seem like Kyle was even calling plays to the WRs. We've seen similar from him in previous years. Whether it is not trusting Jimmy or the WRs, either way they need to get rid of whoever they don't trust.

    As I mentioned in the main thread, this isn't a huge surprise given the injuries and how they've struggled with the Cards and mobile QBs in general. Hopefully not jinxing things too much but the next 2 weeks should give them a chance to play themselves into some form.


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    It's the first game of the season...in general it's always a game of getting the rust off, especially with no preseason. Last years first game against the Bucs was pretty bad but the D showed how good it could be & the team got the win. Yesterday was awful. Very few positives. But nobody said it would be a perfect season! The team could barely contain mobile QBs last year, and nothing looks to have changed. This loss will wake them all up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    myate wrote: »
    It's the first game of the season...in general it's always a game of getting the rust off, especially with no preseason. Last years first game against the Bucs was pretty bad but the D showed how good it could be & the team got the win. Yesterday was awful. Very few positives. But nobody said it would be a perfect season! The team could barely contain mobile QBs last year, and nothing looks to have changed. This loss will wake them all up.

    After sleeping on it, despite all the injuries and everything going terribly they should have still won the game with a TD at the end, if they had slightly better play by either the QB or WR.

    First time live tackling in 7 months being against such a mobile QB was not a good situation to be in.

    The margins are just so tight in the NFL and the majority of those games went for the 49ers last year.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I was really expecting JG to improve this year but there was little enough evidence of that. I'm still hopeful but the early signs are not encouraging. The lack of receivers is not helping but his accuracy and decision making don't seem to have improved. He also had a couple of throws that should never have been made and was lucky to avoid turnovers.

    On a positive note he didn't throw any passes directly to opposition defenders.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    I was really expecting JG to improve this year but there was little enough evidence of that. I'm still hopeful but the early signs are not encouraging. The lack of receivers is not helping but his accuracy and decision making don't seem to have improved. He also had a couple of throws that should never have been made and was lucky to avoid turnovers.

    On a positive note he didn't throw any passes directly to opposition defenders.

    I've been very much a JG defender but he was very poor. Saw an interesting stat that each season he had poor performances regarding accuracy so there is potential that he should improve (he went to average or above average by week 2 or 3 each season).


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,156 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Yeah, we'll see. I'm not writing him off based on one game without WR1, WR2 and TE1 out there as a decoy. But all the issues we've seen in the past were still there.

    Hopefully we see these issues getting ironed out over the next few weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Yeah, we'll see. I'm not writing him off based on one game without WR1, WR2 and TE1 out there as a decoy. But all the issues we've seen in the past were still there.

    Hopefully we see these issues getting ironed out over the next few weeks.

    I remember posting here with happiness over Chip's first win and we saw where that went.

    Game 1 does not make or break a season :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭myate


    I'm all in on no.10 too and yes, 2018, 2019 opening games have been pretty poor from him also. Improvements came quick then (before the ACL in '18), so he needs a big bounce back in Metlife next two games. The team needs a WR too, and probably take someone off p-squad...and finally get rid of Pettis. It's year 3, no more 'he's got potential'. He didn't go for a big pass from Jimmy as he would have taken a big hit...a bit overthrown but didn't even make an attempt for it. And Jets run to the 1 yard line, any other receiver in the area would have blocked big time & he might have got in...Pettis gives a small shove & Jet goes down before the goal line.


  • Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The real concern with jg is he's not young anymore in nfl terms. He's 29 now and on season 6 of his career.

    No excuses left, he's simple not looking like the finished article.


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