Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Gruffalux · 09-09-2020 07:03PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Am I the only one that thinks it was funny at the beginning but novelty wearing off reading it 20 times a day

Jaysis it has a long lll o o o n n mn gggg way to go before it starts to compete with the repetition of words like Covid, lockdown, social distancing, masks, wet pubs, gatherings, cocooning, pods, bubbles, etc. All words that would never or rarely have sprung to my mind pre February of this year. Beers is a benign word, for the moment.

lee_baby_simms · 09-09-2020 07:05PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ronan Glynn:

We need to get to a point where we have to say "Right... The responsibility is with you now. We'll keep an eye on the disease but you need to get on with living with the disease."

The question is when do NPHET decide that they’ve reached that point? The strategy up to this point has been so scattergun I’m certain that they don’t even know themselves.

DebDynamite · 09-09-2020 07:09PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Definately agree with this. I know a good few out and about.

Yeah, there’s no way they’re cocooning or restricting their movements like they did in the first 2 months of this.

They’re out and about but taking the necessary precautions, and that’s probably enough for them not to catch it in great numbers. It would probably be enough for us all not to catch it. However it seems there’s a cohort of people taking less care, having parties, etc that are causing them to catch it, which could then spread to the elderly.

political analyst · 09-09-2020 07:09PM

Arghus wrote: »

The recession was entirely predictable based what had happened. It wouldn't have been a shock to a single economist or a member of the department of finance. I don't think government policy changed automatically when the formality of announcing the figures happened during the week.

And I don't think a sector mainly staffed by low pay workers is as important overall to the general economy as you might think. But, of course, it's a sector that has enormous lobbying power.

Reducing that sector's income means less tax revenue for the State and thus less money for the health service and other public services.

saabsaab · 09-09-2020 07:09PM

Dublin seems to be the crux of the problem at the moment both in numbers and density.

But try telling a Dubliner what to do or that he is wrong!

Even from a Corkman that knows better.

niallo27 · 09-09-2020 07:10PM

Looks like the 3 that died didn't even go to hospital, looks like another case of died with covid rather than of covid.

seanb85 · 09-09-2020 07:11PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Looks like the 3 that died didn't even go to hospital, looks like another case of died with covid rather than of covid.

You should get that tattooed somewhere.

Gruffalux · 09-09-2020 07:14PM

"Died with covid rather than of covid". Yeah, at the end of all this scutter that phrase will have been the most scutterish phrase of the whole disaster. I will delete anyone from my contacts who says it to me in real life.

lee_baby_simms · 09-09-2020 07:14PM

Interesting read regarding the declining CFR that’s occurring all across Europe. German data examined.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/declining-covid-19-case-fatality-rates-across-all-ages-analysis-of-german-data/

saabsaab · 09-09-2020 07:16PM

seanb85 wrote: »

You should get that tattooed somewhere.

Which would you prefer? Die with Covid or die of Covid.

sterz · 09-09-2020 07:17PM

I take it that the media didn’t mention anything along the lines of a significant drop in cases today, or that it’s a reassuring number?

84 to 307 - alarming
307 to 84 - alarming

stevek93 · 09-09-2020 07:18PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Dublin seems to be the crux of the problem at the moment both in numbers and density.

But try telling a Dubliner what to do or that he is wrong!

Even from a Corkman that knows better.

I am from Dublin.

Arghus · 09-09-2020 07:18PM

political analyst wrote: »

Reducing that sector's income means less tax revenue for the State and thus less money for the health service and other public services.

Oh, I'm fully aware of that.

But people who are suggesting that it the announcement of the second quarter's financial figures - even though everyone who should know would have known all about it well in advance, and it was forecast and predicted and expected - led to a sudden desire to open up pubs to stave off imminent economic collapse - well they are being naive about the real motivations about the sudden about turn. The publicans were giving them hell and they had to do something to shut them up.

iamwhoiam · 09-09-2020 07:18PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Dublin seems to be the crux of the problem at the moment both in numbers and density.

But try telling a Dubliner what to do or that he is wrong!

Even from a Corkman that knows better.

You can try telling me . But I am doing nothing wrong actually . I see family only and never in anywhere crowded , wear masks , wash hands , shop when its quiet , walk on near empty beaches or parks
Lots of us are doing everything right

saabsaab · 09-09-2020 07:19PM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

We have more friends

..with Covid'

caveat emptor · 09-09-2020 07:26PM

Over half today were kids. Hopefully they all just had a runny nose.

https://twitter.com/evie_nevin/status/1303750516078530560?s=21

seanb85 · 09-09-2020 07:27PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Which would you prefer? Die with Covid or die of Covid.

Cancer patients occasionally pass away during treatment if they pick up an infection, doesn't mean you necessarily attribute the death solely to cancer.

In these instances the question is similar to the legal "but for" test. But for the presence of the infection, would they likely have died?

I just hate the attitude of people trying to minimise this. They are desperate to believe a certain thing is true even with evidence to the contrary. It's like a child crying when they find out Santa isn't real.

It's very sad to see adults able to effectively live in a world detached from reality and only seek out information that backs up their preconceived ideas and desires.

GeorgeBailey · 09-09-2020 07:27PM

saabsaab wrote: »

..with Covid'

of Covid

caveat emptor · 09-09-2020 07:29PM

Kids in Dublin must be having all the fun as regards house parties.

saabsaab · 09-09-2020 07:36PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

of Covid

Very good. Too true.

Jim_Hodge · 09-09-2020 07:36PM

sterz wrote: »

I take it that the media didn’t mention anything along the lines of a significant drop in cases today, or that it’s a reassuring number?

84 to 307 - alarming
307 to 84 - alarming

The daily figures aren't that important. The 7 and 14 day figures are and they are alarming.

babyboom · 09-09-2020 07:36PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

"Died with covid rather than of covid". Yeah, at the end of all this scutter that phrase will have been the most scutterish phrase of the whole disaster. I will delete anyone from my contacts who says it to me in real life.

I can say with certainty that my friends relative died from Covid not with it. Can you imagine how families of the deceased feel when they hear that phrase bandied about.

Arghus · 09-09-2020 07:41PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The daily figures aren't that important. The 7 and 14 day figures are and they are alarming.

And both those figures are going up.

odyssey06 · 09-09-2020 07:43PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Kids in Dublin must be having all the fun as regards house parties.

Not clear if its random house parties of bright young things and/or all ages things like christenings, confirmations etc

stevek93 · 09-09-2020 07:44PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Kids in Dublin must be having all the fun as regards house parties.

I said the same. House party recently a few doors down.The little one was being shouted at to go back to bed with the adults were out the back partying. Very unfair on the child

niallo27 · 09-09-2020 07:46PM

babyboom wrote: »

I can say with certainty that my friends relative died from Covid not with it. Can you imagine how families of the deceased feel when they hear that phrase bandied about.

And what about when the opposite happens, my main point was it looks like these people didn't even go to hospital

seanb85 · 09-09-2020 07:47PM

babyboom wrote: »

I can say with certainty that my friends relative died from Covid not with it. Can you imagine how families of the deceased feel when they hear that phrase bandied about.

Absolutely, it's akin to telling them "sure they'd be dead anyway".

I see some Kerry publicans carried out an extremely distasteful protest today. Carrying a fake coffin that had RIP pubs on it. They don't seem to realise (or care) how many actual people have ended up in real coffins.

douglashyde · 09-09-2020 07:47PM

Interesting read.

It applies to most 1st world countries that have got testing in place. Increase in cases coinciding with death rates / ICU attendance dropping.

It doesn't explain why they think CFR have been dropping so dramatically - I would be keen to see if any research on this.

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Interesting read regarding the declining CFR that’s occurring all across Europe. German data examined.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/declining-covid-19-case-fatality-rates-across-all-ages-analysis-of-german-data/

09-09-2020 07:49PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Gerry Killeen on The Last Word still predicting 10,000 cases a day by Christmas

Good that Matt Cooper actually challenged him on his "lock down or else 10,000 cases a day" nonsense, unlike the sycophantic Pat Kenny

podgeandrodge · 09-09-2020 07:55PM

stevek93 wrote: »

I said the same. House party recently a few doors down.The little one was being shouted at to go back to bed with the adults were out the back partying. Very unfair on the child

Sounds about correct treatment to me

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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