Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Beasty · 09-09-2020 06:44PM

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almostover · 09-09-2020 06:44PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because as Dr Glynn said, outside of Dublin most counties are incredibly stable. House gatherings are driving cases in Dublin. No pubs = more gathering, fairly simple.

Because we missed our window to open them during the summer. They should have been opened at the same time as restaraunts with the same controls. The government is now opening them to appease the Vinters Federation knowing full well they'll be closed down again in a short timeframe. A token opening if you will.

Hindsight is 2020, no pun intended......

stephenjmcd · 09-09-2020 06:44PM

Ronan Glynn:

We need to get to a point where we have to say "Right... The responsibility is with you now. We'll keep an eye on the disease but you need to get on with living with the disease."

09-09-2020 06:44PM

gazzer wrote: »

Those 3 deaths happened in the last few days but ICU numbers are stable and I don't see where the 3 deaths reduced hospital stays??

Usually a sign that the person was too old and frail for hospital.

s1ippy · 09-09-2020 06:44PM

gazzer wrote: »

Those 3 deaths happened in the last few days but ICU numbers are stable and I don't see where the 3 deaths reduced hospital stays??

They weren't necessarily in hospital. Things can take a turn for the worse; they could have died of covid-related heart attacks, stroke, respiratory difficulty. A journalist just asked about this and Glynn shut him down. Might have been nursing homes, as they don't tell us any details about these incidents and we're left to speculate.

I'm definitely inviting Ronan Glynn to a wedding next week for the laugh.

seanb85 · 09-09-2020 06:45PM

Arghus wrote: »

The recession was entirely predictable based what had happened. It wouldn't have been a shock to a single economist or a member of the department of finance. I don't think government policy changed automatically when the formality of announcing the figures happened during the week.

And I don't think a sector mainly staffed by low pay workers is as important overall to the general economy as you might think. But, of course, it's a sector that has enormous lobbying power.

Exactly, realistically the government should know the next few years are going to mean about €50bn in borrowing. Thankfully our access to bond markets is fine and the rates are close to zero.

Opening pubs and increasing travel won't rescue the economy.

DebDynamite · 09-09-2020 06:46PM

Boggles wrote: »

Optics. Schools had to open first.

We are pretending that community spread isn't happening in the pubs and restaurants that are currently open.

Everyone is getting infected off petrol pump handles.

There’s barely been any cases linked to pubs or restaurants. Certainly not enough to warrant shutting them down.

09-09-2020 06:46PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Doom and gloom in the presser today, all we are missing is a violin.

Will give you a loan of my cat

He'll howl you a nice tune to accompany the pathos.

JP Liz V1 · 09-09-2020 06:46PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Yep, christenings, communion and confirmation parties were mentioned. Most of these would’ve ended now probably (or have they?), so hopefully it won’t be too difficult for people to follow.

There is holy communions and confirmations happening into October

s1ippy · 09-09-2020 06:47PM

Colm Henry would need a mic for his mic.

babyboom · 09-09-2020 06:48PM

My friends relative died from Covid at home while being carer for by a family member. He wouldn't appear in the hospital numbers.

JP Liz V1 · 09-09-2020 06:49PM

Arghus wrote: »

Will someone please ask how it's Hunky Dory to open pubs now, when it wasn't earlier because of rising cases - even though the cases are higher now than they were then?

Maybe they think if pubs open, less house parties and gatherings

Wolf359f · 09-09-2020 06:49PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Yep, christenings, communion and confirmation parties were mentioned. Most of these would’ve ended now probably (or have they?), so hopefully it won’t be too difficult for people to follow.

There are still communions and confirmations on going, it never dawned on me that they could be driving the spread.

Arghus · 09-09-2020 06:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Because as Dr Glynn said, outside of Dublin most counties are incredibly stable. House gatherings are driving cases in Dublin. No pubs = more gathering, fairly simple.

I disagree with both of your interpretations there.

No, I don't agree that's their reasoning - I think political pressure has forced the governments hand.

I also don't think that "no pubs = more gathering" is entirely spot on reasoning all the time. For instance, if I was to have a gathering in my house I'd have 4-5 people over that I'd know. Whereas in a pub environment you could 30/40/50 people, from different households, congregating in one indoor area.

Pubs are in some cases going to bring people together in indoor settings who wouldn't otherwise be congregated together. Gatherings and house parties have existed long before pubs were shut, it's a total false narrative to say that the closure of pubs is wholly responsible.

DebDynamite · 09-09-2020 06:49PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There is holy communions and confirmations happening into October

Oops, hopefully they’ll be a bit lower key from now on then!

podgeandrodge · 09-09-2020 06:50PM

Gael23 wrote: »

More that the elderly are minding themselves

In my experience the opposite, they're as tired as everyone else with we're in this together so I don't know why they're not contracting the virus as much.

JP Liz V1 · 09-09-2020 06:51PM

babyboom wrote: »

My friends relative died from Covid at home while being carer for by a family member. He wouldn't appear in the hospital numbers.

RIP, I'm very sorry

alentejo · 09-09-2020 06:51PM

Would love to know why Dubs are having more house gatherings while people from other counties are not? Genuine question

podgeandrodge · 09-09-2020 06:51PM

Arghus wrote: »

Will someone please ask how it's Hunky Dory to open pubs now, when it wasn't earlier because of rising cases - even though the cases are higher now than they were then?

Didn't NPHET say they had no reason to believe the risk was any greater than for the food pubs and restaurants?

Psychiatric Patrick · 09-09-2020 06:52PM

Y
We all need to listen to John Joe Quinn

JP Liz V1 · 09-09-2020 06:52PM

alentejo wrote: »

Would love to know why Dubs are having more house gatherings while people from other counties are not? Genuine question

More idiots in Dublin :P

inthenip · 09-09-2020 06:52PM

alentejo wrote: »

Would love to know why Dubs are having more house gatherings while people from other counties are not? Genuine question

Larger population, densely populated, Good public transport.

podgeandrodge · 09-09-2020 06:52PM

... wrote:

So 84 cases of beer....

Am I the only one that thinks it was funny at the beginning but novelty wearing off reading it 20 times a day

spookwoman · 09-09-2020 06:53PM

iamwhoiam · 09-09-2020 06:56PM

alentejo wrote: »

Would love to know why Dubs are having more house gatherings while people from other counties are not? Genuine question

It not necessarily house gathering but overcrowded houses and houses with multiple flats using a shared bathroom etc

DebDynamite · 09-09-2020 06:57PM

Arghus wrote: »

I disagree with both of your interpretations there.

No, I don't agree that's their reasoning - I think political pressure has forced the governments hand.

I also don't think that "no pubs = more gathering" is entirely spot on reasoning all the time. For instance, if I was to have a gathering in my house I'd have 4-5 people over that I'd know. Whereas in a pub environment you could 30/40/50 people, from different households, congregating in one indoor area.

Pubs are in some cases going to bring people together in indoor settings who wouldn't otherwise be congregated together. Gatherings and house parties have existed long before pubs were shut, it's a total false narrative to say that the closure of pubs is wholly responsible.

In a pub or restaurant, bar the party you’re sitting with (no more than 6 people from 3 different households), you don’t mix or mingle with anyone else in the restaurant. Other tables are sat at least 1 metre away from you. In a household setting or house party, you’d be up close with much more people in an uncontrolled setting (depending on the type of gathering obviously)

Dr. Bre · 09-09-2020 06:58PM

alentejo wrote: »

Would love to know why Dubs are having more house gatherings while people from other counties are not? Genuine question

We have more friends

Plumbthedepths · 09-09-2020 06:59PM

Arghus wrote: »

The recession was entirely predictable based what had happened. It wouldn't have been a shock to a single economist or a member of the department of finance. I don't think government policy changed automatically when the formality of announcing the figures happened during the week.

And I don't think a sector mainly staffed by low pay workers is as important overall to the general economy as you might think. But, of course, it's a sector that has enormous lobbying power.

Circa 20,000 bar staff in employment and off the PUP scheme is important to the state. A saving of 7 million a week. On top of that there is also the matter of service suppliers to the bar industry more jobs. Then there is the matter of employer prsi and taxes ( excise and vat) to the state.
Whilst not a major component of the economy as Tesco says 'Every little helps' particularly in face of the sharpest economic contraction since the state was founded.

Micky 32 · 09-09-2020 07:00PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

In my experience the opposite, they're as tired as everyone else with we're in this together so I don't know why they're not contracting the virus as much.

Definately agree with this. I know a good few out and about.

US2 · 09-09-2020 07:02PM

Were the new deaths in one of the nursing home clusters ?

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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