How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

irishblessing · 08-09-2020 11:23AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Building closed. We are in similar (not the same sector) and we were very much closed. Are you telling me we should stay open?

Anyway anyone who has a bit of experience with what was going on would tell you speeding up the works was not possible for so many different reasons. Anyone doing large projects this year will tell you they were significantly delayed.

Construction on building sites is far different then updating/installing masts around the country. Most things have been fully open for months now anyway. You can't say what is or isn't possible on any other given project and that's just flat.
That's what I'm telling you.

irishblessing · 08-09-2020 11:24AM

khalessi wrote: »

Management of schools and covid being discussed on Clare Byrne show at the minute

Can you (or someone) give a bit of a summary or any insights to what was discussed?

deliege · 08-09-2020 11:26AM

irishblessing wrote: »

Well here's how I have heard of it working. It's a blended learning model. That means people take the options that works best for them and their family.
(...) Our government completely sat on their hands and sh!t the bed on this one. (...)They didn't even try. Just a plan to shove them back into schools all at once at the same time (to hell with people with vulnerabilities) (...)

Totally agree with you and your anger. They did even worse than nothing, as parents who would feel (more) comfortable (e.g. for reasons of vulnerabilities in the family) going that way and feel confident it's doable for them, requiring only minimal support, are just told "nope, nothing like that is possible, just register as homeschooled, goodbye!"...

s1ippy · 08-09-2020 11:36AM

JDD wrote: »

Doesn't the guidelines say that children who have a runny/stuffed nose can continue going to school (as long as they have no other symptoms). How is that different to playing a football match?

The child in question clearly had three or more symptoms.

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes runny nose is not one of the symptoms but once you add temperature then I think it's time to call GP.

Neither is it up to poster to contact anyone and cause panic. There is no clear indication it's Covid, never mind positive test and it's up to health professionals who should be contacted and when. It's not about being secretive but you can't cause panic every time someone has snotty nose.

I never said that they had covid, I said that the guidelines are clear about symptoms and it's totally irresponsible to ignore or cover up as is being recommended by several posters.

The child should most definitely be tested and any GP will confirm this.

This sort of irresponsible behaviour being recommended is why schools will be absolutely ruined with covid within the month. Parents will have no one but themselves to blame when they're flouting the recommendations and guidelines and giving each other tips as to how to get away with it. Sociopath behaviour with no regard for the consequences so long as they don't have to look after their own children.

Note: just spotted the lad didn't have temp when he played the match but the team should still be notified that the test is being done so they can decide what action to take.

I hope all is OK with the little fella.

average_runner · 08-09-2020 11:47AM

s1ippy wrote: »

The child in question clearly had three or more symptoms.

I never said that they had covid, I said that the guidelines are clear about symptoms and it's totally irresponsible to ignore or cover up as is being recommended by several posters.

The child should most definitely be tested and any GP will confirm this.

This sort of irresponsible behaviour being recommended is why schools will be absolutely ruined with covid within the month. Parents will have no one but themselves to blame when they're flouting the recommendations and guidelines and giving each other tips as to how to get away with it. Sociopath behaviour with no regard for the consequences so long as they don't have to look after their own children.

Note: just spotted the lad didn't have temp when he played the match but the team should still be notified that the test is being done so they can decide what action to take.

I hope all is OK with the little fella.

Under the guidelines, the only people to inform the team is the HSE

JDD · 08-09-2020 11:50AM

s1ippy wrote: »

The child in question clearly had three or more symptoms.

I never said that they had covid, I said that the guidelines are clear about symptoms and it's totally irresponsible to ignore or cover up as is being recommended by several posters.

The child should most definitely be tested and any GP will confirm this.

This sort of irresponsible behaviour being recommended is why schools will be absolutely ruined with covid within the month. Parents will have no one but themselves to blame when they're flouting the recommendations and guidelines and giving each other tips as to how to get away with it. Sociopath behaviour with no regard for the consequences so long as they don't have to look after their own children.

Note: just spotted the lad didn't have temp when he played the match but the team should still be notified that the test is being done so they can decide what action to take.

I hope all is OK with the little fella.

I actually agree with this. If you ring the GP and they advise a test (which they probably will given his high temperature) I'd ring the football club so that they can decide whether training can go ahead this week or not. If you rang the GP today, it's likely you'd get tested today and get the results tomorrow. If it's negative, and presuming training is later in the week, it could probably go ahead as normal.

I think it's the decent thing to do.

josip · 08-09-2020 12:19PM

average_runner wrote: »

Under the guidelines, the only people to inform the team is the HSE

Under the HSE guidelines yes, but I would be very surprised if the club don't have their own protocols.
I would expect that they require any player with symptoms to inform their coach who in turn should inform the club Covid-responsible person.

SusanC10 · 08-09-2020 12:42PM

Husband and I discussed this at the weekend. If either of our Kids has symptoms and GP advises testing, then we will inform the Coaches at the kids' sporting activities and the Principals of the schools.
To our minds, it is the right thing to do.

wirelessdude01 · 08-09-2020 01:00PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Husband and I discussed this at the weekend. If either of our Kids has symptoms and GP advises testing, then we will inform the Coaches at the kids' sporting activities and the Principals of the schools.
To our minds, it is the right thing to do.

Very much the responsible thing to do.

meeeeh · 08-09-2020 01:01PM

josip wrote: »

Under the HSE guidelines yes, but I would be very surprised if the club don't have their own protocols.
I would expect that they require any player with symptoms to inform their coach who in turn should inform the club Covid-responsible person.

Should clubs ignore all HSE guidelines or just the one about who informs the club?

I think my kids rugby will start soon but if I'm informed every time Johnny or Patrick has a bit of a cough the WhatsApp will be hopping. Not to mention that there is a lot less likely for Covid to transmit outside and a lot more likely they will catch cold in changing weather. I think positivity rate in tests is less than 2% (it could be more but it is low). That means if everyone who is referred to testing informs the club there will be 1 positive test per 50 phone calls.

Ninthlife · 08-09-2020 01:35PM

Daughter tested yesterday just before mid day...still awaiting results

Not a patient patient.

Any symptoms she had are gone anyway

khalessi · 08-09-2020 03:57PM

Will kid just had test done and have to say it was very well managed and quick, they were lovely with kiddo. Just wait for results now.

Benimar · 08-09-2020 04:37PM

Ninthlife wrote: »

Daughter tested yesterday just before mid day...still awaiting results

Not a patient patient.

Any symptoms she had are gone anyway

Same story here.

Ninthlife · 08-09-2020 04:40PM

Benimar wrote: »

Same story here.

Wonder if we will hear today

Benimar · 08-09-2020 04:55PM

Ninthlife wrote: »

Wonder if we will hear today

Hope so, eldest climbing the walls as he has to isolate too.

SusanC10 · 08-09-2020 04:56PM

The vast majority of Cases in Schools that I have read about seem to be in Dublin both City and County.
Do you think this is because the majority of Cases are in Dublin ? Faster testing in Dublin ?
Or because people outside of Dublin are not "reporting" them on Twitter/FB etc ?
The media also does not seem to be covering it either - in terms of numbers and counties even, not talking about naming individual Schools necessarily.

Ninthlife · 08-09-2020 05:07PM

Benimar wrote: »

Hope so, eldest climbing the walls as he has to isolate too.

Ive two teens due back to secondary school tomorrow, both im sure secretly hoping for more time off

khalessi · 08-09-2020 05:09PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

The vast majority of Cases in Schools that I have read about seem to be in Dublin both City and County.
Do you think this is because the majority of Cases are in Dublin ? Faster testing in Dublin ?
Or because people outside of Dublin are not "reporting" them on Twitter/FB etc ?
The media also does not seem to be covering it either - in terms of numbers and counties even, not talking about naming individual Schools necessarily.

Could be all those things, Dublin would probably have a huge number of schools too. The majority of people getting tested today were kids, I only saw 2 adults in queue by themselves.

DSN · 08-09-2020 05:10PM

Not sure if I'll tell the principle / coaches if child going for test. If I say DC is going for test because she had a temp last night - what are they to do?? Based on a 1-2% chance of it being covid she is not going to shut the school or the class or anything so what would be the purpose in telling them? I'd make sure & keep the child off until better & until the test is (hopefully) negative. Obvs if positive or we all were in close contact with a positive case I'd be telling straight away.(and I guess the contract tracing people would be on it too I hope?)

kilburn · 08-09-2020 05:16PM

Schools protocol seems to be flawed from what I can see as the schools can't act unilaterally and can only act when notified by HSE.

meeeeh · 08-09-2020 05:24PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

The vast majority of Cases in Schools that I have read about seem to be in Dublin both City and County.
Do you think this is because the majority of Cases are in Dublin ? Faster testing in Dublin ?
Or because people outside of Dublin are not "reporting" them on Twitter/FB etc ?
The media also does not seem to be covering it either - in terms of numbers and counties even, not talking about naming individual Schools necessarily.

Cases are increasing most in Dublin and Limerick. I suspect majority of kids with positive results are tested as close contacts and not because of their own symptoms. However there will be more community transmissions there too. Numbers of kids tested increased but that's because more people are contacting GPS. I suspect there is a lot higer positive rate among close contacts kids than among those who are there because of symptoms.

I'm in Offaly and it's sparsely populated country. Even when we were in regional lockdown majority of cases seemed to be limited to certain work places and their contacts. Population density is higher in Dublin and urban centres are disproportionately affected. (Plenty of international evidence for that). When numbers increase you can be sure the most community transmissions will be in urban areas and less limited to one group of population.

Grandeeod · 08-09-2020 05:30PM

Three students missing from my daughters secondary school class today. You can only imagine the gossip it caused. May be nothing, but then again it may be something as test centres appear to be packed with kids according to reports here and elsewhere. I'd rather not get that dreaded text/email from the school.

babyboom · 08-09-2020 05:37PM

We've had a text from the secondary school (North County Dublin) to say there's been a case associated with the school. HSE have assessed and no action to be taken at present. As far as I know a parent has tested positive but had the sense to keep the kids out of school while awaiting results.

combat14 · 08-09-2020 05:56PM

307 new cases today and with schools only barely back ..

Surge in children attending GPs for Covid-19 assessment

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1163867/

kippy · 08-09-2020 05:57PM

combat14 wrote: »

307 new cases today and with schools only barely back ..

Surge in children attending GPs for Covid-19 assessment

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1163867/

Why wouldn't there be an increase of kids being referred to GP's for assessment?
The schools' and HSE's guidelines on this are being followed which is a good thing surely.........

combat14 · 08-09-2020 06:07PM

kippy wrote: »

Why wouldn't there be an increase of kids being referred to GP's for assessment?
The schools' and HSE's guidelines on this are being followed which is a good thing surely.........

why should there be an increase in kids going to GPs ..?!

the reason there is an increase in sick kids is it is impossible to socially distance on the way to and inside of schools ..

kippy · 08-09-2020 06:19PM

combat14 wrote: »

why should there be an increase in kids going to GPs ..?!

the reason there is an increase in sick kids is it is impossible to socially distance on the way to and inside of schools ..

Because parents have:
1. Been told specificilly to do this in order to ensure the safety of their own kids, other kids and staff in schools.
2. Are aware their kids are now in close contact with other kids (as opposed to a couple of weeks ago when their close contacts were lower and as such risk was lower.

There's always an increase in sick kids in September, this year they've specificilly been told to go to the GP as the sickness MAY be covid. (Have you read ANY of the documentation from the HSE/The Schools themselves on the re-opening protocols?)

And again, I don't see the surprise that there are more kids going to the GP now than there were two weeks ago - it's something that is part of the re-opening protocols - it's also a key reason why the country needs to continue to prioritse re-opening certain areas.

SusanC10 · 08-09-2020 06:22PM

Yes, our GP has not seen the Kids in ages but now if one of them gets a Temp or Cough, I will be calling him.

meeeeh · 08-09-2020 06:53PM

kippy wrote: »

Because parents have:
1. Been told specificilly to do this in order to ensure the safety of their own kids, other kids and staff in schools.
2. Are aware their kids are now in close contact with other kids (as opposed to a couple of weeks ago when their close contacts were lower and as such risk was lower.

There's always an increase in sick kids in September, this year they've specificilly been told to go to the GP as the sickness MAY be covid. (Have you read ANY of the documentation from the HSE/The Schools themselves on the re-opening protocols?)

And again, I don't see the surprise that there are more kids going to the GP now than there were two weeks ago - it's something that is part of the re-opening protocols - it's also a key reason why the country needs to continue to prioritse re-opening certain areas.

Exactly
I think it was said less than 1% of kids referred are testing positive. (Quoting from memory, it was on news just few minutes ago).

Ninthlife · 08-09-2020 06:53PM

Test received at 6.30pm to confirm a negative test

So approx 31hrs from test to result..

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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