How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Purplewaters

Jim Root wrote: »

Can you imagine if entire workforce’s closed down based on a couple of positives. The economy would be finished.

Would have thought if anyone was a close contact they should have been tested. I think anyone in an office together all day really should be.

downthemiddle

Deleted User wrote: »

People are going to get sick and people are going to die.

This is where most reasonable people have an issue. People dying in our schools is not a price worth paying.

Mr Velo

Young lad went back to school last week. Developed a head cold over the weekend - proper stuffed nose and voice sounding a little hoarse. No temperature. Played a soccer match yesterday evening, no bother - but found it hard to sleep last night with the blocked nose. Checked temp during the night and it was 39c and he was complaining of a sore throat also.

Boggles

16% increase just in the last 10 days of kids under 14 testing positive.

The small instances of confirmed infection in this age group was always a false representation.

They are just testing now because they have to.

Bobtheman

average_runner wrote: »

You obviously dont have young kids where both parents work from home

I do have young kids. But I think you took me up wrong. I want schools open. But I can partial shut downs or even full shut downs of schools. Thus we need to be prepared for that. Of course some kids won't want to engage . Some parents can't insist their kids engage because they both work .
But we need to be better prepared than we were last time. Their needs to be more alternatives. Perhaps class recordings could be made available for a short period online.
Do I actually see any of this happening? Sadly not really.

Bobtheman

Jim Root wrote: »

Can you imagine if entire workforce’s closed down based on a couple of positives. The economy would be finished.

An open plan office should not exist with covid. I don't see 24 adults stuffed into a room without being surrounded by plastic . Out in the general public . In general.Classroom sized room like I have. Effectively 16-18 year olds are adults physically. But I could be wrong on parts or all of this.

meeeeh

downthemiddle wrote: »

This is where most reasonable people have an issue. People dying in our schools is not a price worth paying.

Considering 92% of deaths in Ireland occurred among over 65s you would need schools populated by pensioners for this to happen.

khalessi

meeeeh wrote: »

Considering 92% of deaths in Ireland occurred among over 65s you would need schools populated by pensioners for this to happen.

Have you ever heard of mature students?:D:D:pac::pac:

Oranage2

Mr Velo wrote: »

Young lad went back to school last week. Developed a head cold over the weekend - proper stuffed nose and voice sounding a little hoarse. No temperature. Played a soccer match yesterday evening, no bother - but found it hard to sleep last night with the blocked nose. Checked temp during the night and it was 39c and he was complaining of a sore throat also.

Could it have been the Sunday night flu?

Many kids get it before the start of the school week

irishblessing

jrosen wrote: »

We absolutely need a blended learning approach. However how does that work with younger kids who's parents both work? Or kids who need encouragement, or someone to be there keeping them engaged.

The idea that we can have a blended learning approach and it can be adopted easily in homes across Ireland is naive I think.

I think its necessary btw especially to continue education for those students in exam years. But I also can see the obstacles.

Well here's how I have heard of it working. It's a blended learning model. That means people take the options that works best for them and their family.
Some will need to stay in school full time. Some will need to stay at home full time. Some parents will make that choice if they're able, and some will make the choice to put them in part time on a rotating basis. Many parents work from home, in some households only one parent works, or there's another family member at home who can mind. Some families have a small scale child minder situation in play.

Those scenarios above all provide choice to families who need it and reduce class sizes overall for those children who will be in school full time.

The two blended learning approaches I'm aware of were in planning stages from late March. Teachers had training for teaching online.

Extra resources were funded and sourced. Families who need them got loan of chrome books and wifi hotspots/routers.

Our government completely sat on their hands and sh!t the bed on this one. Remember that national broadband rollout plan that's behind schedule (shocker)? They could have directed a huge national effort on that, too. They did nothing for the people in Ireland with children to be educated! I think its absolutely disgraceful. They didn't even try. Just a plan to shove them back into schools all at once at the same time (to hell with people with vulnerabilities) and then disingenuously visit a small/new school that wasn't even representative of the vast majority. I feel very angry about it tbh.

khalessi

irishblessing wrote: »

Well here's how I have heard of it working. It's a blended learning model. That means people take the options that works best for them and their family.
Some will need to stay in school full time. Some will need to stay at home full time. Some parents will make that choice if they're able, and some will make the choice to put them in part time on a rotating basis. Many parents work from home, in some households only one parent works, or there's another family member at home who can mind. Some families have a small scale child minder situation in play.

Those scenarios above all provide choice to families who need it and reduce class sizes overall for those children who will be in school full time.

The two blended learning approaches I'm aware of were in planning stages from late March.

Extra resources were funded and sourced. Families who need them got loan of chrome books and wifi hotspots/routers.

Our government completely sat on their hands and sh!t the bed on this one. Remember that national broadband rollout plan that's behind schedule (shocker)? They could have directed a huge national effort on that, too. They did nothing for the people in Ireland with children to be educated! I think its absolutely disgraceful. They didn't even try. Just a plan to shove them back into schools all at once at the same time (to hell with people with vulnerabilities) and then disingenuously visit a small/new school that wasn't even representative of the vast majority. I feel very angry about it tbh.

No government likes to invest in either Education or Health, the two areas that bit them in the ass this time.

Boggles

Oranage2 wrote: »

Could it have been the Sunday night flu?

Many kids get it before the start of the school week

39c temp?

That is some method acting.

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

Our government completely sat on their hands and sh!t the bed on this one. Remember that national broadband rollout plan that's behind schedule (shocker)? They could have directed a huge national effort on that, too. They did nothing for the people in Ireland with children to be educated! I think its absolutely disgraceful.

Yes we should use those builders who had to close down sites because of government mandated lockdown to lay down cables while being in lockdown. It makes perfect sense.

What ever about everything else, you wouldn't get a painter in normal times to paint your house on such a short notice never mind implement one of the biggest national building projects.

josip

Mr Velo wrote: »

Young lad went back to school last week. Developed a head cold over the weekend - proper stuffed nose and voice sounding a little hoarse. No temperature. Played a soccer match yesterday evening, no bother - but found it hard to sleep last night with the blocked nose. Checked temp during the night and it was 39c and he was complaining of a sore throat also.

What helps for us with this is a good blast of nasal spray in both nostrils at bathroom time before bed.
And/or lots of of hot water washing the face above the nose to get the sinuses clear.
Amazing how much gunk can be loosened out.


Wouldn't have done much for the temp though.

JDD

Those scenarios above all provide choice to families who need it and reduce class sizes overall for those children who will be in school full time.

Deadly. I have two primary school kids and we both work. I choose to have them in school full time thanks. I'm all for this choose your own education plan.

My 5 year old's best friend has a stay at home mum. I'm not sure she would choose to home school her child full time or part time, when there is the option to send her into school full time to be taught by someone who is actually qualified to teach. While you might be concerned about infection in school, you would also be concerned that your child would fall behind.

The only people that blended learning will really assist is those with high risk children, or those with high risk adults in the house. And I don't mean kids or adults with asthma. I mean long term lung or heart health problems, or a history of cancer episodes. That's actually quite a small proportion of the population. I don't think those children staying at home would actually reduce down class sizes that much - maybe one or two in each class.

That being said, I completely agree that that option should have been made available to the families who wanted or needed to avail of it.

TheValeyard

Boggles wrote: »

39c temp?

That is some method acting.

Bet ya Christian Bale could do it

s1ippy

Mr Velo wrote: »

Young lad went back to school last week. Developed a head cold over the weekend - proper stuffed nose and voice sounding a little hoarse. No temperature. Played a soccer match yesterday evening, no bother - but found it hard to sleep last night with the blocked nose. Checked temp during the night and it was 39c and he was complaining of a sore throat also.

You need to contact your GP and the family should self isolate. He should not have played the match with symptoms, you will need to get in touch with everyone involved.

I have reported all posters who have recommended anything else as medical advice on how to disguise symptoms etc is dangerous and completely inappropriate.

You don't seem to be aware that someone you infect can go on to infect someone for whom the consequences will be fatal.

JDD

s1ippy wrote: »

You need to contact your GP and the family should self isolate. He should not have played the match with symptoms, you will need to get in touch with everyone involved.

I have reported all posters who have recommended anything else as medical advice on how to disguise symptoms etc is dangerous and completely inappropriate.

You don't seem to be aware that someone you infect can go on to infect someone for whom the consequences will be fatal.

Doesn't the guidelines say that children who have a runny/stuffed nose can continue going to school (as long as they have no other symptoms). How is that different to playing a football match?

meeeeh

JDD wrote: »

Doesn't the guidelines say that children who have a runny/stuffed nose can continue going to school (as long as they have no other symptoms). How is that different to playing a football match?

Yes runny nose is not one of the symptoms but once you add temperature then I think it's time to call GP.

Neither is it up to poster to contact anyone and cause panic. There is no clear indication it's Covid, never mind positive test and it's up to health professionals who should be contacted and when. It's not about being secretive but you can't cause panic every time someone has snotty nose.

average_runner

s1ippy wrote: »

You need to contact your GP and the family should self isolate. He should not have played the match with symptoms, you will need to get in touch with everyone involved.

I have reported all posters who have recommended anything else as medical advice on how to disguise symptoms etc is dangerous and completely inappropriate.

You don't seem to be aware that someone you infect can go on to infect someone for whom the consequences will be fatal.

If he had only a running nose at the time of the match, there was no harm and within the guide lines. Most kids have runny nose during sports, even adults especially when running.


Now he has the temp, he needs a covid test. HSE will advise you on what to do, don't panic. Only HSE is allowed to contact people.

Mr Velo

average_runner wrote: »

If he had only a running nose at the time of the match, there was no harm and within the guide lines. Most kids have runny nose during sports, even adults especially when running

Yes that was it - completely bunged up but was very much able to play the match. I had checked his temp numerous times yesterday to his annoyance.

At home this morning obviously but temp is down at 37 / high 36 (took paracetemol at approx 4.30am).

Should we call the GP anyways just in case? To me it seems exactly like what he tends to get every year but I guess it's better to take more precautions.

JDD

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes runny nose is not one of the symptoms but once you add temperature then I think it's time to call GP.

Neither is it up to poster to contact anyone and cause panic. There is no clear indication it's Covid, never mind positive test and it's up to health professionals who should be contacted and when. It's not about being secretive but you can't cause panic every time someone has snotty nose.

Well that's what I meant, the kid didn't have the temperature at the football match, so he was perfectly entitled to go play at it.

I feel sorry for your little fella Mr Velo. Bad enough feeling sick without having to have the Covid test too. It's more than likely it's just the seasonal lurgy that goes around this time of year. We'll keep our fingers crossed for you.

s1ippy

s1ippy wrote: »

You need to contact your GP and the family should self isolate. He should not have played the match with symptoms, you will need to get in touch with everyone involved.

I have reported all posters who have recommended anything else as medical advice on how to disguise symptoms etc is dangerous and completely inappropriate.

You don't seem to be aware that someone you infect can go on to infect someone for whom the consequences will be fatal.

Per guidance it was only when the child showed a temperature that they should have been isolated

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/if-your-child-has-symptoms.html#stay-at-home

meeeeh

Mr Velo wrote: »

Yes that was it - completely bunged up but was very much able to play the match. I had checked his temp numerous times yesterday to his annoyance.

At home this morning obviously but temp is down at 37 / high 36 (took paracetemol at approx 4.30am).

Should we call the GP anyways just in case? To me it seems exactly like what he tends to get every year but I guess it's better to take more precautions.

Because of temperature you should call your GP. I think the call is free.

irishblessing

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes we should use those builders who had to close down sites because of government mandated lockdown to lay down cables while being in lockdown. It makes perfect sense.

What ever about everything else, you wouldn't get a painter in normal times to paint your house on such a short notice never mind implement one of the biggest national building projects.

It's an outdoor work environment. Not every sector shut down. Funny enough, we engaged a painter this year who's team two weeks later painted our house. Wrong analogy to use on me. :pac:
They could have made progress. Some progress is better than NO progress.

irishblessing

Jim Root wrote: »

Can you imagine if entire workforce’s closed down based on a couple of positives. The economy would be finished.

Well the economy will be finished if we were to lose control of the virus and overrun our health care system needing to result in a full country shut down...

khalessi

Management of schools and covid being discussed on Clare Byrne show at the minute

irishblessing

JDD wrote: »

Deadly. I have two primary school kids and we both work. I choose to have them in school full time thanks. I'm all for this choose your own education plan.

My 5 year old's best friend has a stay at home mum. I'm not sure she would choose to home school her child full time or part time, when there is the option to send her into school full time to be taught by someone who is actually qualified to teach. While you might be concerned about infection in school, you would also be concerned that your child would fall behind.

The only people that blended learning will really assist is those with high risk children, or those with high risk adults in the house. And I don't mean kids or adults with asthma. I mean long term lung or heart health problems, or a history of cancer episodes. That's actually quite a small proportion of the population. I don't think those children staying at home would actually reduce down class sizes that much - maybe one or two in each class.

That being said, I completely agree that that option should have been made available to the families who wanted or needed to avail of it.

I hear you, and to add I know that qualified teachers will also be teaching those that are at home. Teachers at certain class levels are split so that they don't have double duty. Some teachers will be full teaching in the school only. Unless that class needs to quarantine, in which case he/she will still be trained up to teach the students temporarily from home (or a sub if teacher is ill). Then they have allocated other teachers who may need to stay at home who will full time teach and focus on the children who are learning from home full/part time. It seems to take a lot of planning in fairness but they started early and seems to be excellent so far.
It seems quite a few parents/families chose to go for full/part time home learning due to outbreaks in their area and not being comfortable. So actually it really reduced class sizes.

Cluster in Galway apparently which is presenting some atypical symptoms. GPs instructed to apply a lower threshold for test

meeeeh

irishblessing wrote: »

It's an outdoor work environment. Not every sector shut down. Funny enough, we engaged a painter this year who's team two weeks later painted our house. Wrong analogy to use on me. :pac:
They could have made progress. Some progress is better than NO progress.

Building closed. We are in similar (not the same sector) and we were very much closed. Are you telling me we should stay open?

Anyway anyone who has a bit of experience with what was going on would tell you speeding up the works was not possible for so many different reasons. Anyone doing large projects this year will tell you they were significantly delayed.