Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

is_that_so · 07-09-2020 02:22PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Nope. At least 3 peer reviewed studies proving Vit D reduces severity a quick google should find them.

One belgium study showing low dose HCQ monotherapy associated with lower mortality.

Quick google and you will find them.

I've seen one Vitamin D one and it's small and HCQ is not proving to be the great solution it was claimed to be.

is_that_so · 07-09-2020 02:29PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’ve been taking VIT D since February because of Dr John. It’s cheap and harmless once taken in reasonable doses and easily available. Really does make you wonder why it’s taken this long for any sort Of research being done on it.

I do wish people would stop calling that man Dr John, he's a nurse. Vitamin D and its effect on the immune system has been known since the late 80s.
This is worth a read, even though it's from 2012. It's about Vitamin D research.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/

Incidentally the US began to fortify milk in the 1930s with Vitamin D to address rickets.

statto25 · 07-09-2020 02:29PM

Rodriiiiiiigo

pc7 · 07-09-2020 02:31PM

Did we get a beer count today?

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-09-2020 02:31PM

screamer wrote: »

It’s not about blame, that’s a very childish way to think, apportion blame, instead of thinking what needs to be done to mitigate strain on the services. We have done our part, but we need to keep doing it, that’s the thing, we need to remain vigilant and responsible, whether we like it or not.

It is childish to blame a handful of young people for sure. Not something I will be doing but many will.

Drumpot · 07-09-2020 02:45PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I do wish people would stop calling that man Dr John, he's a nurse. Vitamin D and its effect on the immune system has been known since the late 80s.

He’s qualified to be a doctor, has vast experience in nursing, trains in nurses, has trained in hospitals around the world and the information on his videos have been far more informative and balanced then anything I’ve seen from most of sources many seem to follow. I can’t remember his other qualifications, think he’s a masters in biology or some other medical field. I remember having to post his qualifications back in March when similar kind of petty points were being made.

His own comments on VIT D have consistently been about why it’s not been communicated to the public to make sure they are not VIT D deficient. It’s a fair point, moreso now that data appears to be suggesting there is a link between VIT D deficiency and a worse outcome with COvId.

I don’t understand why some people seem to think it’s more important to put down Dr John then actually watch his videos and engage his comments. I’ve seen some people try to suggest he only posts negative stuff which is a lie and a clear indication that many of you don’t actually know what he’s saying and you aren’t really interested in objectivity discussing him. He always posts links to the information he discusses.

Onesea · 07-09-2020 02:48PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Has anybody actually looked at Scandinavia v the rest of Europe to find out why Norway and Finland have faired so much better deathwise?

Is it cultural? Geographical? Weather ? Health? Response? All these things?

Comparing these countries to Ireland is apples and oranges unless you can extrapolate out the reasons why there have been such big numbers of deaths in certain countries and not in others.

International travel, sitting at the table at a pub and not being allowed into my kids school are the only things effecting me here in Norway. Everything else is normal, people don't social distance here, maybe for the first week or two of this debacle.

is_that_so · 07-09-2020 02:51PM

Drumpot wrote: »

He’s qualified to be a doctor, has vast experience in medicine, trains in nurses, has trained in hospitals around the world and the information on his videos have been far more informative and balanced then anything I’ve seen from most of sources many seem to follow. I can’t remember his other qualifications, think he’s a masters in biology or some other medical field.

His own comments on VIT D have consistently been about why it’s not been communicated to the public to make sure they are not VIT D deficient. It’s a fair point, moreso now that data appears to be suggesting there is a link between VIT D deficiency and a worse outcome with COvId.

I don’t understand why some people seem to think it’s more important to put down Dr John then actually watch his videos and engage his comments. I’ve seen some people try to suggest he only posts negative stuff which is a lie and a clear indication that many of you don’t actually know what he’s saying and you aren’t really interested in objectivity discussing him. He always posts links to the information he discusses.

What he could be is not what he is. It's actually on his bio that he is a nurse. The use of Dr is an attempt to disguise that and an utter misrepresentation in my book. Not a source I'd ever go to I'm afraid. As I've pointed out he's really not saying anything about Vitamin D that has not been known about for a very long time. Vitamin D fortified milk has long been a staple in the family.

Drumpot · 07-09-2020 02:54PM

is_that_so wrote: »

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/

Incidentally the US began to fortify milk in the 1930s with Vitamin D to address rickets.

You seem to be under the impression Dr John is acting like he has come up with VIT D idea all on his own. He doesn’t and makes it clear that anybody with any education in medicine probably thought the exact same thing when the virus first broke out. He’s constantly asking why we aren’t encouraging people to make sure they have the appropriate amount of VIT D ?

We do lockdowns, masks and all sorts of other harder stuff but there seems to be a “we can’t make it look like we are saying VIT D is some panacea” approach. It’s ridiculous, it should just just one step taken along with all the other measures we are doing to try to reduce the impact.

is_that_so wrote: »

What he could be is not what he is. It's actually on his bio that he is a nurse. The use of Dr is an attempt to disguise that and an utter misrepresentation in my book. Not a source I'd ever go to I'm afraid. As I've pointed out he's really not saying anything about Vitamin D that has not been known about for a very long time. Vitamin D fortified milk has long been a staple in the family.

As above, you clearly don’t listen to him and aren’t interested therefore are not in a position to judge him or what he says. Certainly not in a position to dismiss him because you don’t like the title he’s using when you don’t even realise he’s qualified to be a doctor.

Away With The Fairies · 07-09-2020 02:56PM

is_that_so wrote: »

What he could be is not what he is. It's actually on his bio that he is a nurse. The use of Dr is an attempt to disguise that and an utter misrepresentation in my book. Not a source I'd ever go to I'm afraid. As I've pointed out he's really not saying anything about Vitamin D that has not been known about for a very long time. Vitamin D fortified milk has long been a staple in the family.

He has a PhD so can call himself a doctor. Just not a medical doctor. Similar to Dr Ross Geller on friends. He wasn't a doctor but did have a PhD.

fits · 07-09-2020 02:57PM

Drumpot wrote: »

He’s qualified to be a doctor, has vast experience in nursing, trains in nurses, has trained in hospitals around the world and the information on his videos have been far more informative and balanced then anything I’ve seen from most of sources many seem to follow. I can’t remember his other qualifications, think he’s a masters in biology or some other medical field. I remember having to post his qualifications back in March when similar kind of petty points were being made.

His own comments on VIT D have consistently been about why it’s not been communicated to the public to make sure they are not VIT D deficient. It’s a fair point, moreso now that data appears to be suggesting there is a link between VIT D deficiency and a worse outcome with COvId.

I don’t understand why some people seem to think it’s more important to put down Dr John then actually watch his videos and engage his comments. I’ve seen some people try to suggest he only posts negative stuff which is a lie and a clear indication that many of you don’t actually know what he’s saying and you aren’t really interested in objectivity discussing him. He always posts links to the information he discusses.

He is a Dr because he has a PhD in education. He is not a medical doctor.

Oranage2 · 07-09-2020 03:00PM

Where's ACE, we need all the testing figures

is_that_so · 07-09-2020 03:04PM

Drumpot wrote: »

You seem to be under the impression Dr John is acting like he has come up with VIT D idea all on his own. He doesn’t and makes it clear that anybody with any education in medicine probably thought the exact same thing when the virus first broke out. He’s constantly asking why we aren’t encouraging people to make sure they have the appropriate amount of VIT D ?

We do lockdowns, masks and all sorts of other harder stuff but there seems to be a “we can’t make it look like we are saying VIT D is some panacea” approach. It’s ridiculous, it should just just one step taken along with all the other measures we are doing to try to reduce the impact.

As above, you clearly don’t listen to him and aren’t interested therefore are not in a position to judge him or what he says. Certainly not in a position to dismiss him because you don’t like the title he’s using when you don’t even realise he’s qualified to be a doctor.

I was under the impression that nothing you do in relation to this is without his approval!
Nearly a doctor is of no use to someone who actually needs a doctor! A PhD is research, not experience. I see no issue with all his nursing stuff and he has tonnes of that but I prefer my information on this from other sources.

Drumpot · 07-09-2020 03:05PM

fits wrote: »

He is a Dr because he has a PhD in education. He is not a medical doctor.

Fair enough, I don’t see the difference.

He knows what he’s talking about and has helped me understand a lot on how to respond to the virus. Not just that, he’s helped prepare for what’s happened long before most general sources and he doesn’t sensationalise anything,

I’ve also watched a lot of medcram videos (anybody who knows them know they are top notch and as reliable as it gets) that often overlap what he talks about and regularly backs up what he’s saying. In many regards he can help chat through medical stuff in English that can be hard to understand, especially when the Med cram stuff gets quite technical.

I really don’t get what some people have agaisnt him, especially when they don’t really know what he’s saying or why he saying it. He’s a superb source for information, very often weeks ahead of the stuff you read in here which is quite often garbage to be honest.

JP Liz V1 · 07-09-2020 03:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sure about that? Confirmed through a test? Because what most people call a flu is really a cold

I call it flu, I'm asthmatic and end up on antibiotics and sometimes steroids could be infection, sorry have habit of calling it flu

fits · 07-09-2020 03:07PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Fair enough, I don’t see the difference.

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Its a big difference. Lots of people have title of Dr. and know nothing about medicine.

Drumpot · 07-09-2020 03:09PM

fits wrote: »

Its a big difference. Lots of people have title of Dr. and know nothing about medicine.

He’s somebody who has worked in a hospital setting his whole career, how is this relevant to this discussion?

Gadgetman496 · 07-09-2020 03:17PM

is_that_so wrote: »

What he could be is not what he is. It's actually on his bio that he is a nurse. The use of Dr is an attempt to disguise that and an utter misrepresentation in my book. Not a source I'd ever go to I'm afraid. As I've pointed out he's really not saying anything about Vitamin D that has not been known about for a very long time. Vitamin D fortified milk has long been a staple in the family.

Yep, here's a direct quote from his Facebook page

Hello Everyone, My name is John Campbell and I am a retired Nurse Teacher and A and E nurse based in England. I also do some teaching in Asia and Africa when time permits.

froog · 07-09-2020 03:19PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Fair enough, I don’t see the difference.

He knows what he’s talking about and has helped me understand a lot on how to respond to the virus. Not just that, he’s helped prepare for what’s happened long before most general sources and he doesn’t sensationalise anything,

I’ve also watched a lot of medcram videos (anybody who knows them know they are top notch and as reliable as it gets) that often overlap what he talks about and regularly backs up what he’s saying. I really don’t get what some people have agaisnt him, especially when they don’t really know what he’s saying or why he saying it. He’s a superb source for information, very often weeks ahead of the stuff you read in here which is quite often garbage to be honest.

At the risk of sounding snobbish, hes a nurse trainer and probably a very good one. An expert on epidemiology/pandemics/infectious diseases he is not.

fits · 07-09-2020 03:23PM

Drumpot wrote: »

He’s somebody who has worked in a hospital setting his whole career, how is this relevant to this discussion?

Because if he was a medical doctor it would give more credibility to his videos, but he is not.

ShyMets · 07-09-2020 03:25PM

fits wrote: »

Its a big difference. Lots of people have title of Dr. and know nothing about medicine.

Technical he can call himself a Doctor. And as we known technically is best kind of correct.

But do you're point is a valid one. Calling yourself a doctor and giving medical advice when your not a Doctor of Medicine is misleading.

Drumpot · 07-09-2020 03:30PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I was under the impression that nothing you do in relation to this is without his approval!
Nearly a doctor is of no use to someone who actually needs a doctor! A PhD is research, not experience. I see no issue with all his nursing stuff and he has tonnes of that but I prefer my information on this from other sources.

I see him more as somebody who discusses whats going on from a medical background POV. He doesnt have an ego, he doesnt pretend to have all the answers. He trys to help educate and interpret information for his audience, including the breakdown of medical papers that many of us would struggle to understand.

As I said, I watch Medcram aswell which is as reliable a source as you can have in terms of quality of information and reliable of context, so I dont feel I am over reliant on his videos.

I dont have a medical background, but I have seen nobody provide information that suggests Dr John is an unreliable source. The only things people seem to say is "hes not a real doctor" or "hes scaremongering" or something like that. I dont mind people suggesting a source is bad , but there has to be some element of factual information in it, not just subjective leanings. I've watched a lot of his videos and I cant remember many that weren't at the very least educational.

In the VIT D points hes been making, as I said, hes not claiming to of come up with the idea himself. Some of you have been reacting like hes pretending he figured it out, hes not doing that, hes asking why this hasnt been one of the things we have explored to help reduce the impact of the virus. If evidence statrs emerging that VIT D deficiency has a significant effect on the outcome of patients with a bad dose of COVID, its going to look very bad for the medical profession that knew this from the start.

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-09-2020 03:30PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I call it flu, I'm asthmatic and end up on antibiotics and sometimes steroids could be infection, sorry have habit of calling it flu

You end up on steriods and antibiotics after a dead virus in injected into you? Pretty unlucky

Drumpot · 07-09-2020 03:31PM

ShyMets wrote: »

Technical he can call himself a Doctor. And as we known technically is best kind of correct.

But do you're point is a valid one. Calling yourself a doctor and giving medical advice when your not a Doctor of Medicine is misleading.

What medical advice does he give ?

JP Liz V1 · 07-09-2020 03:33PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

You end up on steriods and antibiotics after a dead virus in injected into you? Pretty unlucky

Yes I get sick after the jab

07-09-2020 03:33PM

The last "Dr John" video that I watched made a huge deal out of the fact that Covid turned up in sewage samples from Barcelona from March 2019.

Of course he said repeatedly that he was merely providing the information and letting you make up your own mind, while also saying (in essence) that this was a big issue, in establishing that the virus was circulating in Europe far earlier than thought, ergo it is likely less threatening that may be otherwise feared.

He quoted from the study in question, again just providing the information and letting you make up your own mind.

He failed to point out that the positive sewage test was questioned by the authors of the study due to the very low levels detected, with the real possibility that the test was not done correctly or the sample was somehow contaminated after the event, and he failed to point out that although the March 2019 was positive, all further samples until 2020 were negative, giving rise to the question of, if it was in Barcelona in March 2019 at levels sufficient to be detected in public wastewatersamples, where did it go until 2020.

The way he sold the above story was sensationalist, and selective, or he didn't understand the study he purported to quote from. Whichever, he has no credibility in my view. I always felt his video's were a bit of a dog-whistle to people inclined towards contrarian views, and quite patronising if you had any actual ability to think independently.

(edit: it may be that next positive test after March 2019 from Barcelona wastewater sample was November 2019, I just can't recall, although I am fairly sure it was January 2020. The point is still the same)

eigrod · 07-09-2020 03:34PM

https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1302970659115618306?s=21

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-09-2020 03:35PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Yes I get sick after the jab

Yes, as i said, needing anitibiotics and steroids after it is extremely unlucky. Unfortunately these type of stories incorrectly put so many people off getting vaccines. I really hope this year that people ignore them and get the flu jab for the sake of the health services.

JDD · 07-09-2020 03:39PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Yes I get sick after the jab

Did you ever get this looked into? It seems odd that you would get a bacterial infection, requiring antibiotics, after an injection of a dead virus.

I'm no doctor, but I'd be discussing that with the doctor before you get your next flu shot.

Drumpot · 07-09-2020 03:40PM

fits wrote: »

Because if he was a medical doctor it would give more credibility to his videos, but he is not.

Hes a PHD in teaching, his background is nursing, i think that is the perfect blend to help educate the public.

If you dont watch his videos, how do you know what he says is uneducated or unreliable or not really that good ?

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