Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Goldengirl · 06-09-2020 10:29PM

khalessi wrote: »

Goldengirl wrote: »

khalessi wrote: »

I get the shift thing I am a nurse. What I am trying to understand is how working 7 days a week works for schools. Are ye talking splitting classes? How would you see it working?

Sorry missed this post . And answered it in another .
OP had mentioned 7 days a week and I suggested 50 % splitting classes one week in , one week out .
Would have repercussions for childminding in younger age groups though do would think that is why the government didn't go for it?
Not that that has bothered anyone when nurses needed childminders through the lockdown!

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-09-2020 10:29PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

That's assuming that nobody gets discharged

If the upward trend continues at the rate it is we'd have a total of 100 in hospital in 8 weeks ins and outs accounted for in that. Tiny numbers in reality considering.

Jim_Hodge · 06-09-2020 10:30PM

AdamD wrote: »

No other country on earth will have the discussion because they're already open in every other country on earth.

This crap again. That's patently not true.

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-09-2020 10:32PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's certainly trending upwards at a higher rate than cases are growing.

https://ibb.co/1758jKn

Two different scales there. Can't really compare.

Wolf359f · 06-09-2020 10:32PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

For context, we had over 3000 cases in the last month and hospital numbers have gone up by around 25.

If the trend continues we'll have around 50 more in hospital.

Widdensushi wrote: »

That's assuming that nobody gets discharged

4 weeks ago we had 13 current in hospital, we now have 50.
Over those 4 weeks there was a total of 71 admissions.
There's more admissions than discharges, so it's growing.

Goldengirl · 06-09-2020 10:35PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Will you stop muddying the waters, if they were presymptomatic it would have been noted, they were asymptomatic.
Asymptomatic people don't seem to be a problem time and time again, it does away with the reasoning behind masking healthy people though, is that the issue everything you believe is wrong.

Tbh I haven't read it yet and have my own reservations, who deliberately tries to infect healthy people. I'd like to mention the Nuremberg code again, as far as I'm aware that's not legal.

Tell us about it DM ...interested ðŸ™‚

Away With The Fairies · 06-09-2020 10:36PM

Very good video from Dr John Campbell today about vitamin D.

A study on patients given vitamin D and normal treatment (whatever that is) and a second group given just the normal treatment in hospital.

Those given vitamin D had a 2% chance of ending up in ICU. The group that wasn't given vitamin D had a 50% chance of ending up in ICU.

https://youtu.be/V8Ks9fUh2k8

Goldengirl · 06-09-2020 10:37PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Correct virus is WEAK in spreading by many. There is immunity out there. We just don't know who?

Or which one ?

06-09-2020 10:42PM

Strumms wrote: »

Unfortunately a pub and Irish psychological/behavioral tendencies and habits are not compatible with covid.

In France I’m less worried. They are a considerate, intelligent, relaxed species. Lots of outdoor terrace bars too. I’d say go ahead, here no fûckin way.

Ah yes, more Irish bashing. Good stuff.

06-09-2020 10:42PM

Jesus we are a bunch of softies in this country.
Barely any deaths since start of August.

The Tánaiste admits that lots of positive tests are not even sick!

Why does death make people so queasy anyways?

Thank god they don’t constantly report death figures on other illnesses or we’d be f*cked. People afraid to open the front door.

Wolf359f · 06-09-2020 10:43PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Two different scales there. Can't really compare.

Over the past 4 weeks, new cases have been growing on average by 14% week on week, those in hospital have been increasing on average by 40% week on week.

DebDynamite · 06-09-2020 10:44PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

4 weeks ago we had 13 current in hospital, we now have 50.
Over those 4 weeks there was a total of 71 admissions.
There's more admissions than discharges, so it's growing.

Do we know though, are the number of people in beds overnight SOLELY with Covid growing? How many of those hospital cases were hospitalised for other reasons (brought into A&E, etc), routinely tested for Covid and proved positive, but had to remain in a hospital bed for the primary reason they were admitted in the first place.

Also how many of those cases showing up in the numbers are people who showed up at the hospital for a scheduled procedure, again tested positive, but were sent home because the procedure couldn’t take place.

Are all hospital cases actually taking up a hospital bed, or could they also be people who have only tested positive after having a test done in the hospital, but then straight home again?

normanoffside · 06-09-2020 10:46PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Very good video from Dr John Campbell today about vitamin D.

A study on patients given vitamin D and normal treatment (whatever that is) and a second group given just the normal treatment in hospital.

Those given vitamin D had a 2% chance of ending up in ICU. The group that wasn't given vitamin D had a 50% chance of ending up in ICU.

https://youtu.be/V8Ks9fUh2k8

This has been known for many months now and yet governments across Europe and the world were telling people to stay indoors :rolleyes:.

Goldengirl · 06-09-2020 10:46PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

If asymptomatic cases aren’t spreaders, how do you explain out of 85 cases or so in that meat factory, only 3 of them were symptomatic? I would doubt only those 3 people spread it to the other 85

And those asymptomatic cases spread to some of their families and contacts.
Cases were wider than first degree contact .
Of course asymptomatic spread this discussion has been on a loop here for weeks with some posters despite what has been going on in the factories and clusters around the country.
It is purely an anti mask agenda .

Drumpot · 06-09-2020 10:47PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Very good video from Dr John Campbell today about vitamin D.

A study on patients given vitamin D and normal treatment (whatever that is) and a second group given just the normal treatment in hospital.

Those given vitamin D had a 2% chance of ending up in ICU. The group that wasn't given vitamin D had a 50% chance of ending up in ICU.

https://youtu.be/V8Ks9fUh2k8

I’ve been taking VIT D since February because of Dr John. It’s cheap and harmless once taken in reasonable doses and easily available. Really does make you wonder why it’s taken this long for any sort Of research being done on it.

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-09-2020 10:49PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Over the past 4 weeks, new cases have been growing on average by 14% week on week, those in hospital have been increasing on average by 40% week on week.

Yes, but the graph you presented had 2 different scales

Also, Hospital numbers are tiny so way more sensitive to percentage changes.

I'll throw in ICU to emphasize the point - Down 25% since August 14h

niallo27 · 06-09-2020 10:50PM

Arghus wrote: »

I fully agree that more data would be great.

It isn't transferring to ICU numbers...yet.

But there's a pattern: you see an increase in case numbers, then a delay until you see an increase in admissions to hospital, then a further delay until you see a further increase in ICU numbers and then a delay again until there is an increase in deaths. If hospital admissions continue to increase then it's inevitable that at some stage ICU numbers will eventually increase too. A couple of weeks ago I was reading here that case numbers didn't really matter because hospital admissions were still low. Now, of course, the goalposts have moved to ICU numbers are still low.

People say here that it's linked to an outbreak in a single hospital, maybe it is, maybe it isn't: it's anonymous people on boards saying this - claims of insider knowledge must be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism.

But even before this the numbers were still on the rise. The "single outbreak" is the latest rationalisation to explain away what is going on: more cases were expected, cases are still pretty low, positivity rate hasn't increased, they've increased testing, it's only clusters, it's only clusters in meat plants, community transmission hasn't increased, hospital admissions haven't increased, ICU admissions haven't increased...

It was supposed to be 2 weeks, then 4 weeks, how long before we see icu numbers rise. They will rise of course but not on the scale we saw last march. It is a bit odd the icu numbers are stagnant after few thousands cases in the last few weeks.

seanb85 · 06-09-2020 10:53PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Yes, but the graph you presented had 2 different.

Also, Hospital numbers are tiny so way more sensitive to percentage changes.

Hospital numbers are only tiny until they are not. Madrid hospitals are presently 13% occupied by Covid patients.

The Irish hospital system regularly operates over capacity. A figure similar to the current number in Madrid and our health system would be in crisis.

Wolf359f · 06-09-2020 10:53PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Do we know though, are the number of people in beds overnight SOLELY with Covid growing? How many of those hospital cases were hospitalised for other reasons (brought into A&E, etc), routinely tested for Covid and proved positive, but had to remain in a hospital bed for the primary reason they were admitted in the first place.

Also how many of those cases showing up in the numbers are people who showed up at the hospital for a scheduled procedure, again tested positive, but were sent home because the procedure couldn’t take place.

Are all hospital cases actually taking up a hospital bed, or could they also be people who have only tested positive after having a test done in the hospital, but then straight home again?

I don't know. For outpatient procedures that require a test prior to admission, a positive case would not be admitted. Assuming the procedure was not critical.

The point being, any beds being taken up by a covid patient is one less available for use. It also increases the risk of infection in hospitals. If Beaumont didn't have any Covid patients, they may not have had an outbreak.
It's all about risk, 3x the number of Covid patients means the risk of HCW's getting infected is increased.

Non solum non ambulabit · 06-09-2020 10:53PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’ve been taking VIT D since February because of Dr John. It’s cheap and harmless once taken in reasonable doses and easily available. Really does make you wonder why it’s taken this long for any sort Of research being done on it.

Vitamin D has been mentioned from day 1. Great to see real world results. Been taking it myself.

Queried · 06-09-2020 10:53PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Living with someone who is a confirmed close contact
You may be at risk of catching coronavirus if you are living with a close contact and they become unwell.

If they develop coronavirus, you will become a close contact. This means you will have to restrict your movements. They will have to self-isolate.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/close-contact-and-casual-contact.html

My reading of it is if there asymptomatic and your showing no symptoms it's ok to carry on until there confirmed positive.

Whether that's the right thing to do or not is questionable. Average time for showing symptoms is 4/5 days.

Thanks for that, I really appreciate the information. I find this a little bit concerning but not surprising.

CalamariFritti · 06-09-2020 10:54PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Very good video from Dr John Campbell today about vitamin D.

A study on patients given vitamin D and normal treatment (whatever that is) and a second group given just the normal treatment in hospital.

Those given vitamin D had a 2% chance of ending up in ICU. The group that wasn't given vitamin D had a 50% chance of ending up in ICU.

https://youtu.be/V8Ks9fUh2k8

This has been common knowledge more or less since the start of this. In a roundabout way.
Very early on it was said that all ICU patients and covid deaths - without exception - had one thing in common. A strong vitamin D deficit.

Call me what you want, I know some will, but it was then that I began to realise this is all blown out of proportion. A super duper deadly virus that we turn the whole world upside down over. Only its grand when you take some vitamin d (cod liver oil).

niallo27 · 06-09-2020 10:56PM

Strumms wrote: »

We need more data ? I don’t think micro analysis of the situation brings any more palatable vistas. You are never going to get breakdowns on serious / not so serious... and if you did you’d just get the money reopen everything muppets to massage numbers towards a certain outlook... deaths, icu and hospital numbers as well as discharged patients is enough.....

I think its important to know are these hospitalizations a 1 night stay or are they close to ICU level.

Wolf359f · 06-09-2020 10:57PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Yes, but the graph you presented had 2 different scales

Also, Hospital numbers are tiny so way more sensitive to percentage changes.

I'll throw in ICU to emphasize the point - Down 25% since August 14h

50 cases in hospital is tiny..... at what point does tiny become small and small becomes big? When we're talking single digits or low teens, yes a single extra admission seems large, we're now into 50 in hospital, not a tiny number.

ICU, I'll admit is extremely steady.

Strumms · 06-09-2020 10:57PM

AdamD wrote: »

Ah yes, more Irish bashing. Good stuff.

I’m being a realist, not bashing anybody. The reality is the behaviors we’ve seen in the wake of a potentially deadly, highly infectious virus has been poor. Both from publicans and a percentage of customers l. I miss the pub too. I’m normally in the pub three times a week.

Hand in Your Pants · 06-09-2020 10:58PM

This country needs a curfew after what I seen in Cork this weekend, morans everywhere, no distancing, none of these will take it seriously to get the jab, close down the shutters on these morans and fine them 1500 euro if they are out on the street after nine o'clock

Dr. Bre · 06-09-2020 10:59PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

This has been common knowledge more or less since the start of this. In a roundabout way.
Very early on it was said that all ICU patients and covid deaths - without exception - had one thing in common. A strong vitamin D deficit.

Call me what you want, I know some will, but it was then that I began to realise this is all blown out of proportion. A super duper deadly virus that we turn the whole world upside down over. Only its grand when you take some vitamin d (cod liver oil).

Stay outside will be the new slogan

CalamariFritti · 06-09-2020 10:59PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

This country needs a curfew after what I seen in Cork this weekend, morans everywhere, no distancing, none of these will take it seriously to get the jab, close down the shutters on these morans and fine them 1500 euro if they are out on the street after nine o'clock

You should emigrate to Australia. You'd love it there.

Wolf359f · 06-09-2020 11:00PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’ve been taking VIT D since February because of Dr John. It’s cheap and harmless once taken in reasonable doses and easily available. Really does make you wonder why it’s taken this long for any sort Of research being done on it.

I get bloods done every 3 months, back in March my doctor prescribed VIT D, 4000 IU daily for a month and then down to 800. I wonder if they took it upon themselves or was my VIT D that low.

Dr. Bre · 06-09-2020 11:00PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

You should emigrate to Australia. You'd love it there.

Or North Korea

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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