Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Irish Aris · 07-09-2020 10:32AM

I think more people will be a bit more conscious this year about getting the flu vaccine, and hopefully this will help keep the numbers down.

I never had done it but consider it this year.

A question if anyone knows:
Is it true that the first time you have the vaccine, your body/immune system reacts with flu-like symptoms as it "builds" immunity? I read some articles that suggest so.

Drumpot · 07-09-2020 10:35AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I dont think its a silly comment at all. There was a clear correlation shown between vitamin D deficiency and reaction to cov2 pretty much from day 1.

I take it you didnt watch the video posted by Away With The Fairies? Where that doctor explained the clinical trial conducted in the university clinic in Cordoba.

There’s been a similar response from posters before about how it’s apparently dangerous it is to suggest VIT D may help. There’s been 6 months to do plenty of trials to actually show why it’s not really going to make much of a difference, why are we only getting around to it now? If you want to prove something won’t help much or might actually help, what better then trying with a substance (VIT D) that is cheap, readily available and harmless in proper doses?

Supposedly anybody with a Half decent health education could tell you from Feb that VIT D deficiency and an illness like COVID May be a bad mix. It would stand to reason then that when a bad case comes in that addressing all VIT D deficiency immediately wouldn’t of been a bad start. It’s remarkable that this hasn’t been addressed one way or another. Admittedly I don’t have a medical background but this seems fairly straight forward, I don’t understand why this would be something that there should be a reluctance to do, I would appreciate if a medical person could politely explain why VIT D deficiency has been ignored so much? It’s not that it might be a silver Bullet, but it certainly seems like it at worst does little harm and at best may seriously reduce the severity and chances of death for people.

Gael23 · 07-09-2020 10:36AM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I think more people will be a bit more conscious this year about getting the flu vaccine, and hopefully this will help keep the numbers down.

I never had done it but consider it this year.

A question if anyone knows:
Is it true that the first time you have the vaccine, your body/immune system reacts with flu-like symptoms as it "builds" immunity? I read some articles that suggest so.

I have never had any issues with it apart from an injection site reaction once.

JDD · 07-09-2020 10:37AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Would that explain a 7 fold difference in death per million? (I wasn’t looking at CFR cause it’s a harder one to calculate with so much asymptomatic spread).

I really don’t understand why there isn’t a huge effort to work out why some countries have faired so much better then others. Simple things like VIT D trials aswell appear to be ignored when it’s one of the simplest and cheapest things we could of done over the last 6 months!

I am not one for conspiracy’s but there is a lot of information being ignored that can help countries and individuals manage this better and I can’t work out the benefit of not looking deeper at more practical solutions. I’m still seeing stuff only getting reported now (virus spreading huge distances on bus) that I read in February, how is it so hard for the people focusing on best practise to actually look a bit deeper into this stuff?

Did Norway & Finland have any sort of spread in nursing homes?

I can't remember what proportion of our deaths were people catching the virus in a nursing home, but it feels like it might have been around 50% of our deaths?

Other than that, it's probably a better organised and funded health system, which may have resulted in a healthier older population?

Arghus · 07-09-2020 10:40AM

boggerman1 wrote: »

Because official Ireland would love to see pubs shut for all time

Complete crap.

What are you talking about?

Ger Roe · 07-09-2020 10:42AM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I think more people will be a bit more conscious this year about getting the flu vaccine, and hopefully this will help keep the numbers down.

I never had done it but consider it this year.

A question if anyone knows:
Is it true that the first time you have the vaccine, your body/immune system reacts with flu-like symptoms as it "builds" immunity? I read some articles that suggest so.

I have taken the flu jab for the past 7 years, since a health issue resulted in my doctor now recommending it annually. I have never had any problem with it, no adverse reactions whatsoever.

That's my experience anyway.

JDD · 07-09-2020 10:47AM

Ger Roe wrote: »

I have taken the flu jab for the past 7 years, since a health issue resulted in my doctor now recommending it annually. I have never had any problem with it, no adverse reactions whatsoever.

That's my experience anyway.

My husband got the jab about ten years ago, and said the same thing that he came down with flu-like symptoms for a week. I imagine, with some people, your body might think this is an invader and react accordingly with fatigue and a fever. Just some people have a stronger immune reaction. Lots of people in work get the flu vaccine every year and never ever get any reactions/symptoms from it.

I'm going to get it this year - first time for me too and I'm middle aged.

Drumpot · 07-09-2020 10:51AM

JDD wrote: »

Did Norway & Finland have any sort of spread in nursing homes?

I can't remember what proportion of our deaths were people catching the virus in a nursing home, but it feels like it might have been around 50% of our deaths?

Other than that, it's probably a better organised and funded health system, which may have resulted in a healthier older population?

Norway have 49 deaths per million , Ireland has 359 per million. That’s 13.65% the amount of deaths of Ireland, you’d of thought it’s in our interests to know why this is the case but nobody seems to want to join the dots for some reason. As such we are left guessing, I really can’t understand this.

What Username Guidelines · 07-09-2020 11:02AM

Ger Roe wrote: »

I have taken the flu jab for the past 7 years, since a health issue resulted in my doctor now recommending it annually. I have never had any problem with it, no adverse reactions whatsoever.

That's my experience anyway.

Same, some years I get a sore arm the next day, other times have absolutely nothing.

Unfortunately it takes up to 2 weeks to be effective and isn't 100% flu-proof, which means a number of people will catch the flu or a cold within those 2 weeks, maybe they already have it at time of shot, and they link it to the vaccine itself :rolleyes:

BobbyMalone · 07-09-2020 11:05AM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I think more people will be a bit more conscious this year about getting the flu vaccine, and hopefully this will help keep the numbers down.

I never had done it but consider it this year.

A question if anyone knows:
Is it true that the first time you have the vaccine, your body/immune system reacts with flu-like symptoms as it "builds" immunity? I read some articles that suggest so.

I got it for the first time last year, and no flu-like symptoms whatsoever (felt a little 'off' in the immediate aftermath, but that wore off after a few minutes.

Not to say it doesn't happen of course, just not always.

Seamai · 07-09-2020 11:08AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Norway have 49 deaths per million , Ireland has 359 per million. That’s 13.65% the amount of deaths of Ireland, you’d of thought it’s in our interests to know why this is the case but nobody seems to want to join the dots for some reason. As such we are left guessing, I really can’t understand this.

Well they locked down early and took it very seriously. The company my partner works for had a Norwegian intern working for them. On March 13th he got a call from the Norwegian embassy telling him that he had to be in Dublin airport the following day for a special flight back to Oslo, from there they would be bussed to a hotel with medical staff and quarantined for 14 days, there was no ifs or buts about it.
Would that have happened here? I could see someone from the Irish Council For Civil Liberties having a meltdown over it.
I was all for a short but strict lockdown like that but unfortunately once you start to open up again risks are involved. Denmark also did quite well in the first few months but with a similar population to us are now seeing case figures as high as us, higher again some days.

drunkmonkey · 07-09-2020 11:14AM

In fairness Irish people weren't impressed with Cheltenham and the Italian fans coming over, I'd say most people would have agreed to curtail travel by that point. Leo was banging on about been good Europeans and keeping travel going as we're not an Island.

niallo27 · 07-09-2020 11:18AM

screamer wrote: »

I’ve just spent a week in hospital nothing to do with covid, and they have severely reduced capacity due to covid19 regulations. Ward beds are down 40% so a room that could take 5 before now takes 3. Our health services are going to be overwhelmed this winter even without covid19 cases, I feel so sorry for the nurses primarily, as they deal with it day in day out. I know it’s made me even more determined to do everything I can to keep myself and my family healthy this winter, the healthcare workers will bear an awful brunt this winter and they are such good, selfless people. All of us need to be responsible and grown up about this, and realise our actions can have far reaching repercussions, both good and bad.

If hospitals are overwhelmed this winter with the same numbers we saw earlier this year, this its a failure on this goverment and not the people. We did what we were told to give time to the health services to prepare, what have they being doing for the last few months if a small increase causes this kind of panic. Plus no where in europe have hopspitals been overwhelmed since reopening so why do we think we are going to be.

celt262 · 07-09-2020 11:20AM

niallo27 wrote: »

If hospitals are overwhelmed this winter with the same numbers we saw earlier this year, this its a failure on this goverment and not the people. We did what we were told to give time to the health services to prepare, what have they being doing for the last few months if a small increase causes this kind of panic. Plus no where in europe have hopspitals been overwhelmed since reopening so why do we think we are going to be.

Even with no Covid Cases they couldn't cope for the majority of the year.

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-09-2020 12:17PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

In fairness Irish people weren't impressed with Cheltenham and the Italian fans coming over, I'd say most people would have agreed to curtail travel by that point. Leo was banging on about been good Europeans and keeping travel going as we're not an Island.

I reckon a lot of our spread started from people returning from Ski trips in Austria and Italy.

The Norwegians and Fins probably Ski at home in the main.

Non solum non ambulabit · 07-09-2020 12:20PM

niallo27 wrote: »

If hospitals are overwhelmed this winter with the same numbers we saw earlier this year, this its a failure on this goverment and not the people. We did what we were told to give time to the health services to prepare, what have they being doing for the last few months if a small increase causes this kind of panic. Plus no where in europe have hopspitals been overwhelmed since reopening so why do we think we are going to be.

I agree totally with this. The Irish people have given the Health services a 6 month head start to ensure they are ready for the winter and by the sounds of it they have not used that time wisely.

The Govt and Health Services have let the country down. Not a few young people.

Unfortunately we know who will get the blame.

fits · 07-09-2020 12:22PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Would that explain a 7 fold difference in death per million? (I wasn’t looking at CFR cause it’s a harder one to calculate with so much asymptomatic spread).

I really don’t understand why there isn’t a huge effort to work out why some countries have faired so much better then others. Simple things like VIT D trials aswell appear to be ignored when it’s one of the simplest and cheapest things we could of done over the last 6 months!

I am not one for conspiracy’s but there is a lot of information being ignored that can help countries and individuals manage this better and I can’t work out the benefit of not looking deeper at more practical solutions. I’m still seeing stuff only getting reported now (virus spreading huge distances on bus) that I read in February, how is it so hard for the people focusing on best practise to actually look a bit deeper into this stuff?

Because its multi-factorial and it takes some time to properly carry out a study, write it up and get it peer reviewed.

Its not just Vitamin D (if that is as big a factor as many say), its high levels of social capital, a normally reserved and socially distanced population and a different socialising culture. They are also quite healthy in general with an active older population compared with here. Could be genetics at play too.

These things are rarely as simple as we'd like them to be.

screamer · 07-09-2020 12:26PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I agree totally with this. The Irish people have given the Health services a 6 month head start to ensure they are ready for the winter and by the sounds of it they have not used that time wisely.

The Govt and Health Services have let the country down. Not a few young people.

Unfortunately we know who will get the blame.

It’s not about blame, that’s a very childish way to think, apportion blame, instead of thinking what needs to be done to mitigate strain on the services. We have done our part, but we need to keep doing it, that’s the thing, we need to remain vigilant and responsible, whether we like it or not.

Gael23 · 07-09-2020 12:30PM

Had there been any talk of UN sanctions on China for causing this?

Jaded Walker · 07-09-2020 12:30PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I agree totally with this. The Irish people have given the Health services a 6 month head start to ensure they are ready for the winter and by the sounds of it they have not used that time wisely.

The Govt and Health Services have let the country down. Not a few young people.

Unfortunately we know who will get the blame.

The Government have been awful, I struggle to blame the health services as a whole as our Doctors and nurses do the best they can with what's available to them.

The blame should go in the government and on people too. I'm shocked at the lack of social distancing in urban areas of late. There's a lot of older kids in school uniforms walking and talking without masks well within a metre of each other. We've all been told what we need to do and there's lots of people not doing it. They deserve blame too.

khalessi · 07-09-2020 12:32PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I agree totally with this. The Irish people have given the Health services a 6 month head start to ensure they are ready for the winter and by the sounds of it they have not used that time wisely.

The Govt and Health Services have let the country down. Not a few young people.

Unfortunately we know who will get the blame.

The Irish people gave the government a 6 month start to get Health and Education sorted out, get an online scheme organised but they were let down. For years the government have starved these two areas of investment and now that chicken is coming home to roost.

JP Liz V1 · 07-09-2020 12:49PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I think more people will be a bit more conscious this year about getting the flu vaccine, and hopefully this will help keep the numbers down.

I never had done it but consider it this year.

A question if anyone knows:
Is it true that the first time you have the vaccine, your body/immune system reacts with flu-like symptoms as it "builds" immunity? I read some articles that suggest so.

I always get flu after getting the flu jab

Derek Zoolander · 07-09-2020 12:57PM

khalessi wrote: »

The Irish people gave the government a 6 month start to get Health and Education sorted out, get an online scheme organised but they were let down. For years the government have starved these two areas of investment and now that chicken is coming home to roost.

Agree entirely with the point that government and Public Service management has let the population down

- buts lets be clear - the health service is not in the mess its in because of under investment. Its because of inefficiency.

Education I think has been under invested in

PCros · 07-09-2020 01:00PM

Rewinding back to the start of the year for a moment.

What on earth was going on when we were shown videos of people in China literally dropping "dead" on the street because of the virus.

Was this just scare tactics?

07-09-2020 01:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus we are a bunch of softies in this country.
Barely any deaths since start of August.

The Tánaiste admits that lots of positive tests are not even sick!

Why does death make people so queasy anyways?

Thank god they don’t constantly report death figures on other illnesses or we’d be f*cked. People afraid to open the front door.

wtf?

Sconsey · 07-09-2020 01:24PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I always get flu after getting the flu jab

That's wierd, I would guess it is not the flu but your immune system reacting to the jab and producing antibodies or whatever it does. I get the jab every year and never had any reaction (sore arm once for a day or so). The nurse told me it contains an inactive or dead copy of the flu bugs so I would not get sick. I'd say you are mistaking the immune reaction for a 'live' illness, I guess they could feel the same in terms of fever/chills. Still I would say you are one of the unlucky ones, most people I know don't have a reaction (n = 3

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big syke · 07-09-2020 01:37PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I always get flu after getting the flu jab

wow pretty unlucky (or just definitely 100% not the flu at all)

07-09-2020 01:38PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I always get flu after getting the flu jab

Sure about that? Confirmed through a test? Because what most people call a flu is really a cold

07-09-2020 01:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

wtf?

Was not very well worded by the jd, however he does have a point. We have come to the stage where a large proportion of the country can’t handle death anymore even though it happens to everyone. Someone is always to blame, even if it’s a 95 year quietly slipping away in the night. You see it in families where one or more sibling who barely paid attention during the later stages of life screams blue murder at the nursing home or hospital that is managing a old persons final days. They have not acknowledged in their own head that this person is going to die. The old wakes that we’re common place but now much rarer where you visited the “corpse house”, talked with the family in the presence of the deceased, laughed and cried etc etc. were the Irish preparation for everyone in the realities of death and it being a natural thing that everyone faced. Now we just have a procession of meaningless handshakes through a soulless funeral home

JDD · 07-09-2020 01:55PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I always get flu after getting the flu jab

It's not "the flu" though. It's an immune system overreaction to the fake virus that was injected into you. The fake virus can't multiply, so it'll be killed pretty quickly by your immune system (and in doing so your body sculpts the right shape key antibody for next time). For some people that is done straight away, with no additional back up immune reactions - such as a temperature, sneezing, coughing or drowsiness - needed. For others, the body recognises an invader and mobilises every troop possible to get rid of it.

The equivalent of sending a bomb to kill an invading fly.

Think of it this way though, you have a body that reacts strongly and quickly to any possible invaders. That can't be a bad thing if you were infected by a new virus. I believe this immune system overreaction is some of the reason why children do not suffer too badly from Covid 19.

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